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Originally Posted By PrimaryArms: Great suggestion! Will definitely pass this on to our team and we appreciate the feedback! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PrimaryArms: Originally Posted By HotelBravo: I would love to see an update or a PLx version of the GLx 2.5-10x44. This scope is as close as it comes to perfect for me on a General Purpose Rifle, or a Jack of all Trades, but there are a few things I think would make a considerable change. Now my changes would be in order for the scope to better fit the role of a General Purpose Optic which today, for the most part, seems to be a 1-8, 1-10, with an offset dot. Many would say a 2x low-end would not fill that role but when everyone runs some type of offset dot, the 2x low-end really doesn't impact shooting abilities at close range where you would use the offset dot anyways. So to me, the 1x on most LPVOs is repetitive since the use of the offset dot fills that role. The first would be making it a tad lighter and smaller. This would be accomplished in my mind by reducing the objective lens to 32mm or something similar and removing the locking exposed turrets to be replaced with what essentially is on the new PLx 1-8. The current scope is a bit long and the weight is honestly fine with it being right at 22.5oz. If it weighed less and was shorter in length, it would compete even better against high-end LPVOs that fill the GPO role like the Razor gen 3 or the ATACR 1-8 because it would weigh less than both those options as well as having a larger objective lens providing better light gathering at the top end magnification. Now since my goal is a general-purpose optic, the exposed turrets are a bit repetitive and I personally never use them because the reticle is perfect for holding. Maybe keep the top one as locking exposed but cap the windage knob. My next change would be to reduce the profile of the parallax/illumination knob as in the current iteration it sticks out pretty far and I find it catching on my kit. Now it has never rotated off of my previous settings but it is a slight annoyance sticking so far off the side of my rifle. Change the magnification ring to accept the same levers that are on the new PLx 1-8. Add thick dark black lines at 3, 6, and 9 o'clock like on the Nightforce DMx reticle to help draw the eye to the center of the reticle at low magnifications. I believe that with these changes this, let's call "PLx 2-10x32mm FFP" would dominate most 13.7-18" barreled rifles where the goal was a sort of General Purpose Rifle that can do just about anything. If the form factor and weight were better or closer to what most consider to be the best LPVOs available today, with the abilities of parallax adjustment and badass reticle, would make it an easy choice for many. Great suggestion! Will definitely pass this on to our team and we appreciate the feedback! I'm also a huge fan of the heavy 3/6/9 o'clock bars in the NF reticles for FFP scopes. A SLX FFP 2-10x32 would also be slick. Only thing I'm aware of in that class is the Vortex PST II, and those retail for what $850? They are made in the Philippines though, which in a market where more and more people are trying to not buy Chinese made products (myself included) is a big selling point. |
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Originally Posted By keeperofthedew: I'm also a huge fan of the heavy 3/6/9 o'clock bars in the NF reticles for FFP scopes. A SLX FFP 2-10x32 would also be slick. Only thing I'm aware of in that class is the Vortex PST II, and those retail for what $850? They are made in the Philippines though, which in a market where more and more people are trying to not buy Chinese made products (myself included) is a big selling point. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By keeperofthedew: Originally Posted By PrimaryArms: Originally Posted By HotelBravo: I would love to see an update or a PLx version of the GLx 2.5-10x44. This scope is as close as it comes to perfect for me on a General Purpose Rifle, or a Jack of all Trades, but there are a few things I think would make a considerable change. Now my changes would be in order for the scope to better fit the role of a General Purpose Optic which today, for the most part, seems to be a 1-8, 1-10, with an offset dot. Many would say a 2x low-end would not fill that role but when everyone runs some type of offset dot, the 2x low-end really doesn't impact shooting abilities at close range where you would use the offset dot anyways. So to me, the 1x on most LPVOs is repetitive since the use of the offset dot fills that role. The first would be making it a tad lighter and smaller. This would be accomplished in my mind by reducing the objective lens to 32mm or something similar and removing the locking exposed turrets to be replaced with what essentially is on the new PLx 1-8. The current scope is a bit long and the weight is honestly fine with it being right at 22.5oz. If it weighed less and was shorter in length, it would compete even better against high-end LPVOs that fill the GPO role like the Razor gen 3 or the ATACR 1-8 because it would weigh less than both those options as well as having a larger objective lens providing better light gathering at the top end magnification. Now since my goal is a general-purpose optic, the exposed turrets are a bit repetitive and I personally never use them because the reticle is perfect for holding. Maybe keep the top one as locking exposed but cap the windage knob. My next change would be to reduce the profile of the parallax/illumination knob as in the current iteration it sticks out pretty far and I find it catching on my kit. Now it has never rotated off of my previous settings but it is a slight annoyance sticking so far off the side of my rifle. Change the magnification ring to accept the same levers that are on the new PLx 1-8. Add thick dark black lines at 3, 6, and 9 o'clock like on the Nightforce DMx reticle to help draw the eye to the center of the reticle at low magnifications. I believe that with these changes this, let's call "PLx 2-10x32mm FFP" would dominate most 13.7-18" barreled rifles where the goal was a sort of General Purpose Rifle that can do just about anything. If the form factor and weight were better or closer to what most consider to be the best LPVOs available today, with the abilities of parallax adjustment and badass reticle, would make it an easy choice for many. Great suggestion! Will definitely pass this on to our team and we appreciate the feedback! I'm also a huge fan of the heavy 3/6/9 o'clock bars in the NF reticles for FFP scopes. A SLX FFP 2-10x32 would also be slick. Only thing I'm aware of in that class is the Vortex PST II, and those retail for what $850? They are made in the Philippines though, which in a market where more and more people are trying to not buy Chinese made products (myself included) is a big selling point. My issue with the Vortex PST II is that it weighs so much at 26 oz and the reticle is very difficult to pick up at 2x. The reticle also lacks wind holds which I consider a necessity. |
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I own the offset mount for the SLx micros. I like how it uses an MOS mount plate that lets you mount any optic.
If you were to offer a piggyback option on the upcoming 5x, keeping with the idea of using MOS mount plates might be a good way to go. |
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Originally Posted By SpyHawk: I own the offset mount for the SLx micros. I like how it uses an MOS mount plate that lets you mount any optic. If you were to offer a piggyback option on the upcoming 5x, keeping with the idea of using MOS mount plates might be a good way to go. View Quote I didn't realize that they were already using the mos footprint, smart folks I really want the piggy back rmr on the 3x though, 5x is too much for me. |
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Slx Micro Prism in 4x w/Aurora reticle.
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GLx-series 3.5x/4x
Basically everything about the GLx scaled up to a mid-magnification and then add an interface for a top-mounted red dot saddle similar to how ACOGs take a top mounted dot (not just a generic picatinny rail on top) Something to directly compete with the TA31/TA11/TA33/TA50 AGOGs… that isn’t Chinese. The GLx 2X is basically a TA44/TA45/TA47 killer… optics a re crisp and flat and the eye relief is amazing and the field of view handily beats the ACOGs. |
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Originally Posted By PrimaryArms: View Quote I REALLY hope you guys offer both options. I think same plans 45 is more natural for me. Is there a way you could make some adapter that can run both on the same interface? Maybe a 3:00 mounting interface on the optic, then a mount that can be flipped to work both ways somehow. So right side up it holds it as top mount, but if you flip it over and mount it downwards it’s 45 degrees offset. Forgive my terrible drawing but something like this. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Millennial: GLx-series 3.5x/4x Basically everything about the GLx scaled up to a mid-magnification and then add an interface for a top-mounted red dot saddle similar to how ACOGs take a top mounted dot (not just a generic picatinny rail on top) Something to directly compete with the TA31/TA11/TA33/TA50 AGOGs… that isn’t Chinese. The GLx 2X is basically a TA44/TA45/TA47 killer… optics a re crisp and flat and the eye relief is amazing and the field of view handily beats the ACOGs. View Quote The GLx prism is made in China. Not sure if you were aware of that. The GLx scopes are made in Philipines. |
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I would like to see primary arms push the boundaries of small and lightweight LVPO's. I'd like to see a compact 1-6 and/or 1-4 depending on the weight and length. You could justify a 1-4 if it was small and light enough. The 1-6 would have to be an inch shorter than the 1-8.
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Originally Posted By gggplaya: I would like to see primary arms push the boundaries of small and lightweight LVPO's. I'd like to see a compact 1-6 and/or 1-4 depending on the weight and length. You could justify a 1-4 if it was small and light enough. The 1-6 would have to be an inch shorter than the 1-8. View Quote Stay tuned |
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Keith Goodrum
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Originally Posted By PrimaryArms: Originally Posted By gggplaya: I would like to see primary arms push the boundaries of small and lightweight LVPO's. I'd like to see a compact 1-6 and/or 1-4 depending on the weight and length. You could justify a 1-4 if it was small and light enough. The 1-6 would have to be an inch shorter than the 1-8. Stay tuned And not made in China would be absolutely fantastic. Do that along with some prisms and I'd be in for at least 3 of each type. |
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alternate illumination sources like solar powered LED or optional fiber optic light pipes and or tritium?
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Originally Posted By BB: alternate illumination sources like solar powered LED or optional fiber optic light pipes and or tritium? View Quote Both patented by Trijicon. The only company that they’ve ever licensed it to was Meprolight as Israel’s contract for that particular trial required the red dot be domestically produced, so Trijicon couldn’t get it. There are some Chinese and Russian prisms with fiber optics that get imported but if any domestic company does it they better prepare their anus for Trijicon’s lawyers. |
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Originally Posted By olds442tyguy: Both patented by Trijicon. The only company that they’ve ever licensed it to was Meprolight as Israel’s contract for that particular trial required the red dot be domestically produced, so Trijicon couldn’t get it. There are some Chinese and Russian prisms with fiber optics that get imported but if any domestic company does it they better prepare their anus for Trijicon’s lawyers. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By olds442tyguy: Originally Posted By BB: alternate illumination sources like solar powered LED or optional fiber optic light pipes and or tritium? Both patented by Trijicon. The only company that they’ve ever licensed it to was Meprolight as Israel’s contract for that particular trial required the red dot be domestically produced, so Trijicon couldn’t get it. There are some Chinese and Russian prisms with fiber optics that get imported but if any domestic company does it they better prepare their anus for Trijicon’s lawyers. Are you sure the patent hasn't expired? Those things have been around forever. |
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Agree with the lightweight, mpvo concept.
Personally, I want ultralight, compact in the 1.5-8 or 2-10 range. Platinum or even GLX line, with or without parallax adjustment as long with weight and size are prioritized with clear glass. Also, a cross-hair ACSS option with ranging features. |
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Originally Posted By SpyHawk: Are you sure the patent hasn't expired? Those things have been around forever. View Quote Looks like it actually expired in 2015. I am quite surprised no one has done it that being the case. That said I’d rather have electronic illumination. A cheaper fiber optic version would probably sell like hot cakes though. |
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Originally Posted By olds442tyguy: Looks like it actually expired in 2015. I am quite surprised no one has done it that being the case. That said I’d rather have electronic illumination. A cheaper fiber optic version would probably sell like hot cakes though. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By olds442tyguy: Originally Posted By SpyHawk: Are you sure the patent hasn't expired? Those things have been around forever. Looks like it actually expired in 2015. I am quite surprised no one has done it that being the case. That said I’d rather have electronic illumination. A cheaper fiber optic version would probably sell like hot cakes though. Yeah. Also a bit lighter. For example a TA33 is a few ounces lighter than a TA02. |
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SLx micros with illumination off positions between levels, please.
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Originally Posted By PrimaryArms: Great suggestion! Will definitely pass this on to our team and we appreciate the feedback! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PrimaryArms: Originally Posted By HotelBravo: I would love to see an update or a PLx version of the GLx 2.5-10x44. This scope is as close as it comes to perfect for me on a General Purpose Rifle, or a Jack of all Trades, but there are a few things I think would make a considerable change. Now my changes would be in order for the scope to better fit the role of a General Purpose Optic which today, for the most part, seems to be a 1-8, 1-10, with an offset dot. Many would say a 2x low-end would not fill that role but when everyone runs some type of offset dot, the 2x low-end really doesn't impact shooting abilities at close range where you would use the offset dot anyways. So to me, the 1x on most LPVOs is repetitive since the use of the offset dot fills that role. The first would be making it a tad lighter and smaller. This would be accomplished in my mind by reducing the objective lens to 32mm or something similar and removing the locking exposed turrets to be replaced with what essentially is on the new PLx 1-8. The current scope is a bit long and the weight is honestly fine with it being right at 22.5oz. If it weighed less and was shorter in length, it would compete even better against high-end LPVOs that fill the GPO role like the Razor gen 3 or the ATACR 1-8 because it would weigh less than both those options as well as having a larger objective lens providing better light gathering at the top end magnification. Now since my goal is a general-purpose optic, the exposed turrets are a bit repetitive and I personally never use them because the reticle is perfect for holding. Maybe keep the top one as locking exposed but cap the windage knob. My next change would be to reduce the profile of the parallax/illumination knob as in the current iteration it sticks out pretty far and I find it catching on my kit. Now it has never rotated off of my previous settings but it is a slight annoyance sticking so far off the side of my rifle. Change the magnification ring to accept the same levers that are on the new PLx 1-8. Add thick dark black lines at 3, 6, and 9 o'clock like on the Nightforce DMx reticle to help draw the eye to the center of the reticle at low magnifications. I believe that with these changes this, let's call "PLx 2-10x32mm FFP" would dominate most 13.7-18" barreled rifles where the goal was a sort of General Purpose Rifle that can do just about anything. If the form factor and weight were better or closer to what most consider to be the best LPVOs available today, with the abilities of parallax adjustment and badass reticle, would make it an easy choice for many. Great suggestion! Will definitely pass this on to our team and we appreciate the feedback! To give more color to what I previously described, Executive Training Group did a video titled, "Why Ditch the LPVO with Offset Red Dot on your RECCE SPR & GPR". This video sums up my thoughts pretty well and his reasoning for switching to a 2-10ish that has parallax adjustment and a top-mounted RDS is the same as mine. The scope I described above would absolutely crush this concept and excel across a wide variety of platforms. I really hope to see something like this from Primary Arms since your reticle designs are amazing and fill this roll extremely well. |
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Originally Posted By gggplaya: I would like to see primary arms push the boundaries of small and lightweight LVPO's. I'd like to see a compact 1-6 and/or 1-4 depending on the weight and length. You could justify a 1-4 if it was small and light enough. The 1-6 would have to be an inch shorter than the 1-8. View Quote I agree with all of that |
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I’d like to see a good enclosed emitter optic for handguns.
More GLX prisms It’s a swing for the fences for sure but I’d love to see PA do something with night vision and thermal the way they have with optics. Whatever you can take out of china, do it! |
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Originally Posted By etslick: I’d like to see a good enclosed emitter optic for handguns. More GLX prisms It’s a swing for the fences for sure but I’d love to see PA do something with night vision and thermal the way they have with optics. Whatever you can take out of china, do it! View Quote If they make an enclosed emitter, I hope they stick with the Acro footprint like Steiner did. No more proprietary footprints!!!!!!! |
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Great suggestions! Keep them coming!
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Keith Goodrum
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It's been mentioned before but a higher 4-5x magnification prism with a mounting solution for the RMR or Acro would be great. An enclosed pistol dot on either of those footprints to put up top as well.
In general I'd just like to see more PLx options, especially for the above. |
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I'm sure it's been mention before, but IR lights and lasers would be nice. Good NV has become affordable, but you can still spend more than the cost of a Gen3 PVS-14 to get a good light and laser.
I'd prefer to have more one of my rifles equipped for NV use, but I am a poor. |
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Originally Posted By PrimaryArms: Originally Posted By gggplaya: I would like to see primary arms push the boundaries of small and lightweight LVPO's. I'd like to see a compact 1-6 and/or 1-4 depending on the weight and length. You could justify a 1-4 if it was small and light enough. The 1-6 would have to be an inch shorter than the 1-8. Stay tuned Seems... familiar https://www.ar15.com/forums/industry/What-would-you-like-to-see-next-from-Primary-Arms-optics-/325-286294/&r=3832975&dlnk=1#i3832975 |
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4 power prism with a MOS pattern on top for mounting a micro dot. Make it sub $600 and you got the budget ACOG market.
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I’m dying to hear more on that 5x microprism!
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It was mentioned by myself and others a couple years ago when this thread started but I’d still love you see a spotting scope with a mil grid.
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Originally Posted By SoVa: It was mentioned by myself and others a couple years ago when this thread started but I’d still love you see a spotting scope with a mil grid. View Quote Same and same. GLx 4x prism w/ ACSS. GLx (or even PlX) 2.5-10x w/ a milrad cross hair that also has wind holds. |
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I hope for a compact 1-6x SFP SLx line with ACSS. Looking for something that is easier to carry (especially for a female) at an affordable price. Love that ya'll were able to make a compact 1-8x, but the price on the PLx is beyond what most can afford . Crossing my fingers for 2023.
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2 SLx micro prisms 1x and 3x (or other magnification).
Add some dinner, wine, mood music… 9 months later sell me a smaller/cooler PA version of an Elcan Spectre. |
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SLx 1x next gen:
- illumination off positions between levels - it's not about preserving battery but quick on/off when light conditions change quickly; love it on my Vortex scope - 0.5 MOA adj click - would be just nice Thank you. |
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Is there still plans for a nuclear bright PLX Compact?
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Originally Posted By morho: SLx 1x next gen: - illumination off positions between levels - it's not about preserving battery but quick on/off when light conditions change quickly; love it on my Vortex scope - 0.5 MOA adj click - would be just nice Thank you. View Quote Some kind of lens coating to eliminate or reduce the forward visible signature would be nice too. And personal preference but I'd like to see a return to aimpoint mounts. |
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Originally Posted By PrimaryArms: Originally Posted By LetteredChurl: 2 SLx micro prisms 1x and 3x (or other magnification). Add some dinner, wine, mood music… 9 months later sell me a smaller/cooler PA version of an Elcan Spectre. A smaller and lighter version of the Elcan would be awesome, especially if it’s GLx quality. 1&4 would be awesome. |
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Patent is up on ACOG. Just saying
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Simple mil reticle on all scope designs.
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Here is an easy one….. rmr plate top rings for your newer PLX scope mounts.
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Binoculars with a mil ranging reticle.
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