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Posted: 9/17/2017 5:19:59 PM EDT
Have you guys considered producing a 1x prism scope? I love your ACSS reticle, but my astigmatism means no RDO for me. Your 2.5x is wonderful, but I would like to have something a bit more compact. Thanks.
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I’d buy one of these. Same problem with the astigmatism. That’s after LASIK unfortunately.
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A 1x prism scope is in fact in the works already. It's a slow process and there is no ETA on it, I'm personally hoping to have one to show off in a few months at SHOT Show.
Two years ago nobody had even considered a 1x prism. Now it seems like everyone wants one and we can't keep the "Brand V" version in stock on our website. I'm looking forward to having a quality unit with our name on it at a great price. |
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A 1x prism scope is in fact in the works already. It's a slow process and there is no ETA on it, I'm personally hoping to have one to show off in a few months at SHOT Show. Two years ago nobody had even considered a 1x prism. Now it seems like everyone wants one and we can't keep the "Brand V" version in stock on our website. I'm looking forward to having a quality unit with our name on it at a great price. View Quote |
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That is indeed the plan. But it will take awhile yet to implement. |
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Well, Mike, there's a reason why you can't keep "brand V" 1X Prisms in stock. I can attest that it is a great scope (red dot alternative) for guys like me with poor vision. If PA can design and manufacture a 1X Prism that is significantly lighter and shorter (sort of like a "brand T" MRO with a focusing occular lens) and with the etched and illuminated ACSS reticle with a chevron aiming point (BDC and ranging markings probably not necessary), with generous eye relief, you will have a big winner! I would happily be first in line for one of those. Thank you "brand PA" for your consideration. View Quote The original brand V mount has only one QD option, and the new "AR" version is a fixed height. Neither are optimal. On some firearms it would be nice to have a super low prism optic, and sometimes you need AR height, QD whatever. |
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It looks like Burris has finally re-released their AR-1X prism sight, PA has them in stock. Not a replaceable mount unfortunately, but using a standard AA battery is nice.
Primary Arms Burris AR-1X |
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DI Optical FC1 is on my short list . From the limited information I have seen/read it seems to be a high quality, highly durable optic. I believe it is in use by S. Korean military.
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Guys, I have the prototype here at my desk and it's really good. It's small, 4 inches long and about 1.5 inches tall in terms of the body itself. The 1913 mount is well done but removable and there will be a spacer so you can set it to a couple of different heights. Glass clarity and eye relief is OUTSTANDING, for me the perfect eye relief is around 4 inches or so but you can hold it out much further and still get a great sight picture through the center, you just lose the crisp black circle around the edges. Eyebox is very forgiving and there's an adjustable ocular in the back, which is critical. Playing around with it, if the ocular is set wrong my eye has to focus to look through the sight, and that makes it slower and makes using it with both eyes open kind of a wonky experience. Set the ocular correctly and I can shoot with both eyes open with an instant sight picture when I bring it up from a low ready because my eyes don't have to adjust or change focus, just POW instant superimposed ACSS reticle.
We are going to have this at SHOT Show and hopefully it gets cleared hot for a release soon after. It's a real winner, this thing is LEGIT. |
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Awesome news. Will it have illumination? What about QD mount options?
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Guys, I have the prototype here at my desk and it's really good. It's small, 4 inches long and about 1.5 inches tall in terms of the body itself. The 1913 mount is well done but removable and there will be a spacer so you can set it to a couple of different heights. Glass clarity and eye relief is OUTSTANDING, for me the perfect eye relief is around 4 inches or so but you can hold it out much further and still get a great sight picture through the center, you just lose the crisp black circle around the edges. Eyebox is very forgiving and there's an adjustable ocular in the back, which is critical. Playing around with it, if the ocular is set wrong my eye has to focus to look through the sight, and that makes it slower and makes using it with both eyes open kind of a wonky experience. Set the ocular correctly and I can shoot with both eyes open with an instant sight picture when I bring it up from a low ready because my eyes don't have to adjust or change focus, just POW instant superimposed ACSS reticle. We are going to have this at SHOT Show and hopefully it gets cleared hot for a release soon after. It's a real winner, this thing is LEGIT. View Quote In any case, I'm in for 1 or 2. Thanks for the update. |
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Awesome news. Will it have illumination? What about QD mount options? Thanks, Michael View Quote Mounting system is still T-1 compatible, just like our micro dots. The unit is small enough that this isn't a big deal. :) |
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Oh, man, this is exciting! How heavy is it, Mike? Brand V's 1X is kind of heavy for what it is. I was hoping PA could get down below 8 oz with the mount. I think you got the size right. In any case, I'm in for 1 or 2. Thanks for the update. View Quote Affordable Tough Lightweight You can only pick two of the three! At PA we go with tough and affordable. But honestly, in this case it might just be the nature of the beast. The Leupold 1x prismatic was 12 ounces and that was a $500 optic, so they couldn't make it any lighter either. |
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I had it mounted on a SCAR 17S yesterday for photos for our 2018 product catalog and I got to play around with it. No live fire but a chance to see how it handles when it's on a rifle. I may ask if I can tease you guys with a photo or two.
Now, let me say first of all that I'm a huge red dot guy. Two of my ARs and my Krinkov SBR run PA red dots, so I have no issues with red dots and I love them. But I'm thinking I will pick up this 1x anyway. It's that good. |
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I had it mounted on a SCAR 17S yesterday for photos for our 2018 product catalog and I got to play around with it. No live fire but a chance to see how it handles when it's on a rifle. I may ask if I can tease you guys with a photo or two. Now, let me say first of all that I'm a huge red dot guy. Two of my ARs and my Krinkov SBR run PA red dots, so I have no issues with red dots and I love them. But I'm thinking I will pick up this 1x anyway. It's that good. View Quote |
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what is the reticle going to look like? I have found the 1 MOA dot and brand x to be too small to be very useful.
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what is the reticle going to look like? I have found the 1 MOA dot and brand x to be too small to be very useful. View Quote |
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I actually like 1moa center dot on V prism especially when illuminated. But I haven’t seen acss retical in person
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If this is going to be compatible with t1 mounts it may be a cool option for my ps90! I'm looking forward to seeing it!!
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Please forgive my ignorance, but how is this different than a normal red dot? What are the advantages? I’m all in, just need to know why, LOL.
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Please forgive my ignorance, but how is this different than a normal red dot? What are the advantages? I’m all in, just need to know why, LOL. View Quote |
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I have what may seem like dumb question but I've never had a 1x prism. Can you use a 3x magnifier with it?
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I have what may seem like dumb question but I've never had a 1x prism. Can you use a 3x magnifier with it? View Quote 1. You can in fact magnify your field of view by 3x, but you cannot get the reticle to focus. (sad trombone sound effect) 2. With the magnifier flipped out of the way, your eye is too far away from the prism scope to see through it properly. The prism scope has a very good eye relief, nearly 4 inches, but it DOES have an eye relief, unlike a red dot. You couldn't, for example, put it on an Ultimak rail way up front on an AK and still use it. |
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Quoted: We just tried it for kicks and giggles, and the answer is no, for two reasons. 1. You can in fact magnify your field of view by 3x, but you cannot get the reticle to focus. (sad trombone sound effect) 2. With the magnifier flipped out of the way, your eye is too far away from the prism scope to see through it properly. The prism scope has a very good eye relief, nearly 4 inches, but it DOES have an eye relief, unlike a red dot. You couldn't, for example, put it on an Ultimak rail way up front on an AK and still use it. View Quote |
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But, what it might have is the ability to collect more light than your bare pupil with a red dot, enabling you to see clearer, crisper images, even at 1x, especially at dusk or dawn
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But, what it might have is the ability to collect more light than your bare pupil with a red dot, enabling you to see clearer, crisper images, even at 1x, especially at dusk or dawn View Quote |
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Very, very good! The more I shoot at practical targets, the more I value image clarity over magnification. Brown targets in front of dirt need resolution more than enlargement
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Here's a good example of what the actual eye relief looks like in real life. As you can see, I'm pretty far back from it and I had drawn a bead on a steel target 100 yards down range to "hunt" as I played pretend for the camera. http://primaryarmsoptics.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/PrismEyeRelief.jpg Oh wait, did I just show the first photo of the PA 1x prism scope ever released anywhere? I did! Only you guys here in our industry forum get to see this! View Quote |
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Quoted: I assume illumi knob is on the left side? Kinda looks obstructive from the vid, does it get in the way? View Quote |
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I am VERY interested in this. I have good vision but after buying one of the blem PA advanced dots, I discovered that my left eye has some astigmatism which leaves the dot looking a bit like a small firework. I am right eye dominant, but I've always liked my 3x PA prism scope. With a good reticle like a dot and a ring (like eotech) I think this would be an awesome pick.
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