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Originally Posted By Tedpro1: DUDE ? YES, greed ! When you intentionally hold something back from the supply chain, so you can use it to make a more expensive product to sell, that to me is greed ! I have purchased EVERY part from PSA and am still waiting for months for them to post 1 single item so i can complete the build. All the while i see whole rifles and complete upper assemblies for sale at inflated prices. View Quote Hyperbolic posts like this are why we can’t have nice things. |
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Originally Posted By panzersergeant: I too bought everything to complete an M16A1 and was just waiting on an upper. Mike already said all the uppers are going toward complete guns and when the supply catches up they will release some stripped uppers. In the meantime I found a nice gray upper on the EE for a fair price that matches my H&R lower perfectly. Bitching and moaning about it here won't bring you any closer to completing your rifle. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/25872/IMG_1254-2820312.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/25872/IMG_1258-2820308.jpg View Quote What is EE? |
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Originally Posted By SISTIM7: Originally Posted By panzersergeant: I too bought everything to complete an M16A1 and was just waiting on an upper. Mike already said all the uppers are going toward complete guns and when the supply catches up they will release some stripped uppers. In the meantime I found a nice gray upper on the EE for a fair price that matches my H&R lower perfectly. Bitching and moaning about it here won't bring you any closer to completing your rifle. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/25872/IMG_1254-2820312.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/25872/IMG_1258-2820308.jpg What is EE? |
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Yes i am ! As i said before, i went into the new Myrtle Beach store and brought it up. They called for a manager to discuss the issue, and everyone disappeared. I got another employees attention and told him what happened. He was told to introduce me to what they called the "manufacturer" of the parts, who was in the store at the time. He acknowledged the issue, handed me his business card and told me to send him an e mail. Said he would try to get some posted. I did just that the same afternoon, no reply. Waited a week, tried again, no reply. Add to that they have no way to get to anyone at PSA to inquire about this unless you drive to a physical location. I felt like i got the brush off ! SO, i have a whole bunch of parts from PSA and cant get 1 specific part that i need to finish this from PSA. I got a blem part on gunbroker as a temporary measure because they wont put a few up for sale at PSA. From some of the posts here, i can see that i am not alone in being annoyed with this. Not saying that i am the most important customer, but you should never alienate a customer that literally spends thousands every year on your products ! there have also been some quality control issues that added to the frustration, but that was with other PSA products not with H&R specifically .
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If people are buying the Lowers, and you know that they are waiting for the uppers, THEN RELEASE A FEW ! When i bought my lower assembly, they didnt have complete rifles or A1 uppers available. I bought the lower assembly and figured that they were going to be releasing other parts soon. I bought the barrel assembly as soon as that was available. I had every other part BUT the upper to complete the build. This week i got disgusted and went to gunbroker. Still not what i really need for the final build to be completed.
Nice build by the way. My Lower assembly is in Black. |
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Originally Posted By Tedpro1: Still waiting for a few months now with a complete H&R lower assembly and complete H&R Barrel assembly i purchased from PSA, for PSA to release Black M16A1 stripped uppers. They seem to have enough to build $985 - $1300 rifles and $600 upper assemblies, but wont release any stripped , black uppers for sale for us to complete our own builds. What really annoys me is that i addressed this at the New Psa location in Myrtle Beach and was handed off to a manufacturer who happened to be at the opening in late April. Was given a business card and told to send an e mail, sent 2 since then, no reply ! You buy H&R and NODAK, and seem to have a monopoly on the parts we need. I have only seen a few "slickside" uppers for sale so far. I have been a very loyal customer, but some recent issue(s) have me ready to jump ship ! View Quote Has H&R lost a customer? |
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Originally Posted By Tedpro1: DUDE ? YES, greed ! When you intentionally hold something back from the supply chain, so you can use it to make a more expensive product to sell, that to me is greed ! I have purchased EVERY part from PSA and am still waiting for months for them to post 1 single item so i can complete the build. All the while i see whole rifles and complete upper assemblies for sale at inflated prices. View Quote You're new here. Use the quote button instead of the reply button. |
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That which does not kill us makes us stronger. - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Originally Posted By Tedpro1: Exactly my point. PSA bought NODAK,one of the only suppliers of retro uppers on the market. SO, if demand is that high on A1 uppers, and we all know it is, then focus more attention there ! If you are selling the complete lowers and barrel assemblies, then it is obvious that we the customers will NEED the uppers ! Make them and sell them at reasonable prices, people will be lining up to buy them. View Quote Do you know what the "nds" stands for in mike_nds? Just curious. |
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Originally Posted By Tedpro1: If people are buying the Lowers, and you know that they are waiting for the uppers, THEN RELEASE A FEW ! When i bought my lower assembly, they didnt have complete rifles or A1 uppers available. I bought the lower assembly and figured that they were going to be releasing other parts soon. I bought the barrel assembly as soon as that was available. I had every other part BUT the upper to complete the build. This week i got disgusted and went to gunbroker. Still not what i really need for the final build to be completed. Nice build by the way. My Lower assembly is in Black. View Quote Just buy a complete upper and sell your barrel in the EE. |
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Just buy a complete upper and sell your barrel in the EE. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Originally Posted By Tedpro1: If people are buying the Lowers, and you know that they are waiting for the uppers, THEN RELEASE A FEW ! When i bought my lower assembly, they didnt have complete rifles or A1 uppers available. I bought the lower assembly and figured that they were going to be releasing other parts soon. I bought the barrel assembly as soon as that was available. I had every other part BUT the upper to complete the build. This week i got disgusted and went to gunbroker. Still not what i really need for the final build to be completed. Nice build by the way. My Lower assembly is in Black. Just buy a complete upper and sell your barrel in the EE. That's too much work. GIVE ME WHAT I DEMAND. |
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That which does not kill us makes us stronger. - Friedrich Nietzsche
I've stayed relatively employed most of my adult life. That should count as miracle #1 - Wandering_Moses |
Originally Posted By Tedpro1: Still waiting for a few months now with a complete H&R lower assembly and complete H&R Barrel assembly i purchased from PSA, for PSA to release Black M16A1 stripped uppers. They seem to have enough to build $985 - $1300 rifles and $600 upper assemblies, but wont release any stripped , black uppers for sale for us to complete our own builds. What really annoys me is that i addressed this at the New Psa location in Myrtle Beach and was handed off to a manufacturer who happened to be at the opening in late April. Was given a business card and told to send an e mail, sent 2 since then, no reply ! You buy H&R and NODAK, and seem to have a monopoly on the parts we need. I have only seen a few "slickside" uppers for sale so far. I have been a very loyal customer, but some recent issue(s) have me ready to jump ship ! View Quote competing with @KarenOutWest. |
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Originally Posted By panzersergeant: I too bought everything to complete an M16A1 and was just waiting on an upper. Mike already said all the uppers are going toward complete guns and when the supply catches up they will release some stripped uppers. In the meantime I found a nice gray upper on the EE for a fair price that matches my H&R lower perfectly. Bitching and moaning about it here won't bring you any closer to completing your rifle. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/25872/IMG_1254-2820312.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/25872/IMG_1258-2820308.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By panzersergeant: Originally Posted By Tedpro1:Exactly my point. PSA bought NODAK,one of the only suppliers of retro uppers on the market. SO, if demand is that high on A1 uppers, and we all know it is, then focus more attention there ! If you are selling the complete lowers and barrel assemblies, then it is obvious that we the customers will NEED the uppers ! Make them and sell them at reasonable prices, people will be lining up to buy them. I too bought everything to complete an M16A1 and was just waiting on an upper. Mike already said all the uppers are going toward complete guns and when the supply catches up they will release some stripped uppers. In the meantime I found a nice gray upper on the EE for a fair price that matches my H&R lower perfectly. Bitching and moaning about it here won't bring you any closer to completing your rifle. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/25872/IMG_1254-2820312.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/25872/IMG_1258-2820308.jpg But it's entertaining as all hell. When the guy Tedpro's been sending emails to is eating popcorn in response to Tedpro's posts, I rather expect his emails were worded exactly as some of his posts. Mike's a crack dealer, and the only one in town for a lot of flavors. It pays to be polite to the man. |
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Originally Posted By Tedpro1: If people are buying the Lowers, and you know that they are waiting for the uppers, THEN RELEASE A FEW ! When i bought my lower assembly, they didnt have complete rifles or A1 uppers available. I bought the lower assembly and figured that they were going to be releasing other parts soon. I bought the barrel assembly as soon as that was available. I had every other part BUT the upper to complete the build. This week i got disgusted and went to gunbroker. Still not what i really need for the final build to be completed. Nice build by the way. My Lower assembly is in Black. View Quote Try Brownells I ordered a black A1 stripped upper from them last week that arrived yesterday and be done with it. Sarge |
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Originally Posted By SISTIM7: Ok? How about for next time? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SISTIM7: Originally Posted By mtomso7464: They're sold out. Ok? How about for next time? https://www.brownells.com/gun-parts/rifle-parts/rifle-receivers-parts/ar-15-m16-a1-upper-receiver?sku=080001303 |
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Originally Posted By grondike: https://www.brownells.com/gun-parts/rifle-parts/rifle-receivers-parts/ar-15-m16-a1-upper-receiver?sku=080001303 View Quote Unfortunately doesn’t look like they offer them in grey. Does anyone know who’s making these for them since all of their retro line was coming from NDS? |
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Originally Posted By mike_nds: As I’ve said before,I’ve been hampered with a lower capacity to make uppers than lowers. We’re working to increase production. View Quote Rather have quality over quantity in this case but I wish they could do a pre purchase of 1 only and be on the wait list for 8 months like when you did it a Nodak , I just need a stripped gray lower and an upper for the regular price not a scalping 4x markup on GB . I got 5 colt barrels 1 MP12 2 CMP C's 2 CMP B's and guts to make like 7 more rifles UGH! don't want to buy complete parts and strip them |
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Originally Posted By Droodog: Rather have quality over quantity in this case but I wish they could do a pre purchase of 1 only and be on the wait list for 8 months like when you did it a Nodak , I just need a stripped gray lower and an upper for the regular price not a scalping 4x markup on GB . I got 5 colt barrels 1 MP12 2 CMP C's 2 CMP B's and guts to make like 7 more rifles UGH! don't want to buy complete parts and strip them View Quote The ability to get an order in on back order. That way you don’t have to check the site every damn 5 minutes in the hope you get one before they sell out in minutes. |
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Originally Posted By SISTIM7: The ability to get an order in on back order. That way you don’t have to check the site every damn 5 minutes in the hope you get one before they sell out in minutes. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SISTIM7: Originally Posted By Droodog: Rather have quality over quantity in this case but I wish they could do a pre purchase of 1 only and be on the wait list for 8 months like when you did it a Nodak , I just need a stripped gray lower and an upper for the regular price not a scalping 4x markup on GB . I got 5 colt barrels 1 MP12 2 CMP C's 2 CMP B's and guts to make like 7 more rifles UGH! don't want to buy complete parts and strip them The ability to get an order in on back order. That way you don’t have to check the site every damn 5 minutes in the hope you get one before they sell out in minutes. You want PSA to become Optics Planet? I much prefer PSA's site to stay as it is, thanks. |
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Originally Posted By backbencher: But it's entertaining as all hell. When the guy Tedpro's been sending emails to is eating popcorn in response to Tedpro's posts, I rather expect his emails were worded exactly as some of his posts. Mike's a crack dealer, and the only one in town for a lot of flavors. It pays to be polite to the man. View Quote I have never been at the Myrtle Beach store, and have not been in contact with this person. Perhaps it was Jamin? |
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Do you guys want a little cheese with your whine? My god some of you must have been that kid that had a temper tantrum when you didn't get what you wanted and then mommy bought you that toy you saw in the store or had to pay 500 bucks for a Tickle me Elmo on ebay. Grow the f*#k up. Mike and company I am sure are building them as fast as their production allows. If they can make more money selling complete rifles so be it. A lot of guys would rather not have to build it. Plus IMHO complete rifles may be worth more in the future. When they have enough they will have them for sale. What, its been 6 months now since the first stripped A1 gray lowers dropped? That is not very long ago in the grand scheme of things. Go try to find a high end car, they are in short supply too and dealers are doubling the prices, Mike is not doing that.
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Saw that a COTS stripped lower is in stock, tried to order and they won’t ship it to me.. I can literally purchase any stripped lower on the site but that one.. called and emailed and have had no luck, anyone got any ideas? Thx
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Originally Posted By SJC22: Saw that a COTS stripped lower is in stock, tried to order and they won’t ship it to me.. I can literally purchase any stripped lower on the site but that one.. called and emailed and have had no luck, anyone got any ideas? Thx View Quote Josiah probably just needs to check or uncheck a box. @palmettostatearmory |
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Originally Posted By SISTIM7: Unfortunately doesn't look like they offer them in grey. Does anyone know who's making these for them since all of their retro line was coming from NDS? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SISTIM7: Originally Posted By grondike: https://www.brownells.com/gun-parts/rifle-parts/rifle-receivers-parts/ar-15-m16-a1-upper-receiver?sku=080001303 https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Brownells-M16A1-uppers-in-stock/123-780692/ |
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Im aware all of there retro items were from NDS but there is no more NDS. So these are old stock then?
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Originally Posted By SISTIM7: I am aware. Still does answer my question about how Brownells are getting items that are now exclusive to PSA. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SISTIM7: Originally Posted By thirsty: H&R is using NoDak forge tools. I am aware. Still does answer my question about how Brownells are getting items that are now exclusive to PSA. Sounds like the forgings are not exclusive to PSA. Maybe Mike needed some pocket money? |
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@mike_nds can you comment? Are the NDS items Brownells is selling now your old stock or is NDS still operating independently from H&R?
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Pretty sure Mike said NDS sold forgings or dies, or whatever they are called to Brownells either in this thread or another one.
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Just curious, is it looking like the 601/slab side lowers will make it in '23? Or is that more realistically going to be a 2024 product at the earliest?
Same question for the Battlefield Pick-Up polished receivers, but i'm guessing that will depend on how supply/demand looks in a year or so. |
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Originally Posted By SISTIM7: @mike_nds can you comment? Are the NDS items Brownells is selling now your old stock or is NDS still operating independently from H&R? View Quote Mike, I just have one last question for you. If a train left New York at 300 miles per hour, and accelerated speed 15 miles per hour, and traveled a distance of 683 miles, tell me sir: what time would that train reach Chicago?! |
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Originally Posted By SISTIM7: @mike_nds can you comment? Are the NDS items Brownells is selling now your old stock or is NDS still operating independently from H&R? View Quote What are you on about? Brownells retro receivers are not in stock and haven’t been for a long time. They’re listed on the site but I haven’t seen them come in stock in what? Two years? Longer? |
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Originally Posted By Tedpro1: Yes i am ! As i said before, i went into the new Myrtle Beach store and brought it up. They called for a manager to discuss the issue, and everyone disappeared. I got another employees attention and told him what happened. He was told to introduce me to what they called the "manufacturer" of the parts, who was in the store at the time. He acknowledged the issue, handed me his business card and told me to send him an e mail. Said he would try to get some posted. I did just that the same afternoon, no reply. Waited a week, tried again, no reply. Add to that they have no way to get to anyone at PSA to inquire about this unless you drive to a physical location. I felt like i got the brush off ! SO, i have a whole bunch of parts from PSA and cant get 1 specific part that i need to finish this from PSA. I got a blem part on gunbroker as a temporary measure because they wont put a few up for sale at PSA. From some of the posts here, i can see that i am not alone in being annoyed with this. Not saying that i am the most important customer, but you should never alienate a customer that literally spends thousands every year on your products ! there have also been some quality control issues that added to the frustration, but that was with other PSA products not with H&R specifically . View Quote I'm pretty sure that "average PSA customers" each spend "thousands" per year on orders with them. Heck, I made my first purchases with them back when they were just starting out and no one had heard of them, but I don't consider myself a special customer that must be placated with orders ahead of other people. So, in other words, you are actually not anyone special (sorry for the bad news) |
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Originally Posted By thirsty: What are you on about? Brownells retro receivers are not in stock and haven't been for a long time. They're listed on the site but I haven't seen them come in stock in what? Two years? Longer? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By grondike: Upper receivers were available a couple of weeks ago, both A1 and C7. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By grondike: Originally Posted By thirsty: What are you on about? Brownells retro receivers are not in stock and haven't been for a long time. They're listed on the site but I haven't seen them come in stock in what? Two years? Longer? Then the simple answer is Brownells had an order for those receivers and it was fulfilled. Whether by PSA or by the forge that’s cranking out all the receivers is in question but even that doesn’t really matter. |
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Originally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote: Josiah probably just needs to check or uncheck a box. @palmettostatearmory View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote: Originally Posted By SJC22: Saw that a COTS stripped lower is in stock, tried to order and they won’t ship it to me.. I can literally purchase any stripped lower on the site but that one.. called and emailed and have had no luck, anyone got any ideas? Thx Josiah probably just needs to check or uncheck a box. @palmettostatearmory I am looking into it. Thanks, Josiah |
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Originally Posted By thirsty: What are you on about? Brownells retro receivers are not in stock and haven’t been for a long time. They’re listed on the site but I haven’t seen them come in stock in what? Two years? Longer? View Quote Maybe you should read a few comment above. Someone is stating they bought one last week and that’s why I’m asking what I’m asking. Because TMK that should no longer be possible. |
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NoDak sold Brownells thousands of forgings.
As NDS is part of H&R, that relationship is ongoing. |
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Mike responded. Never mind.
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I forgot to post this one a little while ago. We received three M14s for ceremonial use - a Winchester, TRW and an H&R. We also received 6 "new" M4A1s from the depot, but one of them is on an H&R M16A1 lower. It goes nicely with our 6 digit Colt M16 lower. I'll post some pictures when I get the chance.
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The SPECIFIC person that i was introduced to by PSA Staff as the "manufacturer" , gave me a business card that says P.J. Smith.
And NO, i did NOT send an e mail like my posts to him ! Why would you tell a client to send you an e mail if your not going to reply ? It wont matter anymore since i sourced 2 NIB Black uppers on Gun Broker. I am done with PSA unless there is something that i absolutely can not get anywhere else ! Just about every time that i click on notify me when a product is back in stock, i eventually get an e mail stating that the "notice has expired" . And i have no idea what actual product the notice was about. I only remember 2 times that i got a e mail saying that the product was really back in stock ! One was a complete H& R retro upper last week. A few weeks ago i got a Dagger. It was missing the SLIDE LOCK AND SPRING ! How do you function check a gun or test fire it without one in the frame ? The complete H&R lower had a but plate that has a huge gap between the plate and stock just forward of the sling swivel. I replaced it and it is sitting in the closet. Like i said before, i might not be the most important customer, but i was spending a few grand a year there. |
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Originally Posted By Tedpro1: The SPECIFIC person that i was introduced to by PSA Staff as the "manufacturer" , gave me a business card that says P.J. Smith. And NO, i did NOT send an e mail like my posts to him ! Why would you tell a client to send you an e mail if your not going to reply ? It wont matter anymore since i sourced 2 NIB Black uppers on Gun Broker. I am done with PSA unless there is something that i absolutely can not get anywhere else ! Just about every time that i click on notify me when a product is back in stock, i eventually get an e mail stating that the "notice has expired" . And i have no idea what actual product the notice was about. I only remember 2 times that i got a e mail saying that the product was really back in stock ! One was a complete H& R retro upper last week. A few weeks ago i got a Dagger. It was missing the SLIDE LOCK AND SPRING ! How do you function check a gun or test fire it without one in the frame ? The complete H&R lower had a but plate that has a huge gap between the plate and stock just forward of the sling swivel. I replaced it and it is sitting in the closet. Like i said before, i might not be the most important customer, but i was spending a few grand a year there. View Quote Glad to hear you are "done with PSA" finally. Goodbye |
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Originally Posted By Tedpro1: The SPECIFIC person that i was introduced to by PSA Staff as the "manufacturer" , gave me a business card that says P.J. Smith. And NO, i did NOT send an e mail like my posts to him ! Why would you tell a client to send you an e mail if your not going to reply ? It wont matter anymore since i sourced 2 NIB Black uppers on Gun Broker. I am done with PSA unless there is something that i absolutely can not get anywhere else ! Just about every time that i click on notify me when a product is back in stock, i eventually get an e mail stating that the "notice has expired" . And i have no idea what actual product the notice was about. I only remember 2 times that i got a e mail saying that the product was really back in stock ! One was a complete H& R retro upper last week. A few weeks ago i got a Dagger. It was missing the SLIDE LOCK AND SPRING ! How do you function check a gun or test fire it without one in the frame ? The complete H&R lower had a but plate that has a huge gap between the plate and stock just forward of the sling swivel. I replaced it and it is sitting in the closet. Like i said before, i might not be the most important customer, but i was spending a few grand a year there. View Quote PSA has lost another customer |
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