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I've got a stamped one so I too had an interest in getting it to work 100%. I took material off the magazine and I can't get it to jam if I try. I've got enough AK mags from the good ol' days that I don't mind modifying them. However, I'll echo the disappointment with this gun & the non-response from PSA after all the hype. It's a fun gun though, wish it had a little better customer support behind it. I worry this line will get dropped and never spoken of again.
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My stripped lower is now a paper weight. I've moved on. Just another reminder for me why I swore off PSA a long time ago. I saw an awesome pic of a KS47 and got sucked back in. Never again.
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Originally Posted By wayne1one:
Fix what? The PSA fanboys thinks this is just fine, it's a range toy no need to rest it on it's mag, or touch the mag while shooting (Sarcasm intended). PSA is pretending like it's a non issue....... I am so disappointed in this rifle and mainly because I invested an extra $200 dollars in a tax stamp for this garbage. View Quote (PSA fanboy). LMAO. How about I'm a beloved PSA KS-47 only Fanboy (don't care about or use 5.56 ARs). Maybe some of us aren't Tactical internet/YouTube Operators with deployments orders in hand (Sarcasm intended) and just accepted the slight modification on the Pmags. If i could buy that lower from you, i would.lol |
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I had an idea about how to fix the problem and did some testing yesterday with it.
If you take off the upper receiver and look at the front of the lower receiver it has a flat spot where the pivot pin and mag retention pin sit. I drilled a hole through it and stuck a nail into it to keep the mag from rocking forward. it seemed to work well although i didn't fire it, i just had the mag resting on my knee with a fair amount of pressure and racked through a whole mag without a hitch. when i get a chance im going to pick up a tap and die set and some set screws and mess with those, my idea is that the set screw could be adjusted to accommodate the brand of mag being used. i didn't have my phone with me to take pics but hopefully that makes sense. and hopefully someone with some better engineering/machining skills can improve on it and if it ends up not working too well in the long run the hole is hidden when the upper is on so no big deal to me |
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Originally Posted By MFRecon2:
I had an idea about how to fix the problem and did some testing yesterday with it. If you take off the upper receiver and look at the front of the lower receiver it has a flat spot where the pivot pin and mag retention pin sit. I drilled a hole through it and stuck a nail into it to keep the mag from rocking forward. it seemed to work well although i didn't fire it, i just had the mag resting on my knee with a fair amount of pressure and racked through a whole mag without a hitch. when i get a chance im going to pick up a tap and die set and some set screws and mess with those, my idea is that the set screw could be adjusted to accommodate the brand of mag being used. i didn't have my phone with me to take pics but hopefully that makes sense. and hopefully someone with some better engineering/machining skills can improve on it and if it ends up not working too well in the long run the hole is hidden when the upper is on so no big deal to me View Quote Sounds interesting. Let us know how it works when you make it out to the range. |
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I have been interested in one of these. Just read the entire 8 pages. The bolt fix and the last one with the set screws seem to be the the most viable.
The fact that PSA has not addressed this issue is beyond me. The lack of customer support is disturbing and keeps me from making a purchase. I have a line on one and I am glad I found this thread. It's as if they are putting all thier energy in the ak's and or just dont care about the people who have invested their hard earned money. To bad. |
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BCGs are in stock
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Took mine on a maiden range trip today.
Could only get it to cycle maybe 3 rounds at a time. I probably installed something wrong. Going to be interesting chasing down the issue. Should point out that I'm using mostly non PSA parts. |
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Shhhhhhhhhhhh, don't tell the guys that have the GEN 1 KS47 BCG........ But, there's a GEN 2 BCG!! Hopefully, this BCG can solve some of the issues that others have been reporting. I will post pics later.
here is a pic of the original BCG, this area has changed. I will take pics in the morning. PSA_9097 by 556 Channel (HD), on Flickr |
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Well that's promising. |
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Originally Posted By wayne1one:
Shhhhhhhhhhhh, don't tell the guys that have the GEN 1 KS47 BCG........ But, there's a GEN 2 BCG!! Hopefully, this BCG can solve some of the issues that others have been reporting. I will post pics later. here is a pic of the original BCG, this area has changed. I will take pics in the morning. That's ironic, I was watching a YouTube vid of a guy shooting an SBR KS-47 in the desert and in the comments field someone posted this: Great vid and tips! Just subscribed and have been watching all of your reviews on the PSA KS47 before I decided to purchase. Just received my stripped upper/lower/bcg from PSA and so far I've dry cycled the weapon with 'snap-caps' (dummy rounds) in the pmag and to my surprise there were no hang ups, FTF's/FTE's whatsoever. Tried several pmags with no issues...only issues were with Tapco polymer mags.....they just didn't insert well into the magwell. So I don't know if PSA has modified the bcg in anyway or perhaps the stars just aligned themselves for me, because I didn't have to mod the mags at all. Will live fire test once I get to the range...by the way, where are you filming? Are you in Phoenix, AZ somewhere? I'm in the greater phx area and would love to check that place out! Thx again. 1 month ago |
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Well if there is a fix, I would hope that they would reach out to us guys that bought the old one.
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"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato
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Originally Posted By wayne1one:
Shhhhhhhhhhhh, don't tell the guys that have the GEN 1 KS47 BCG........ But, there's a GEN 2 BCG!! Hopefully, this BCG can solve some of the issues that others have been reporting. I will post pics later. here is a pic of the original BCG, this area has changed. I will take pics in the morning. PSA_9097 by 556 Channel (HD), on Flickr View Quote Only thing i can see here is maybe shaving the ridge off in the back giving it more play in the buffer tube, for when the mag pushes up against the front of the bcg. still dont see how that will help much when the lugs of the bolt itself are snagging on the mag. i dont know, maybe it will take alot of tuning for it to run 100% |
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Originally Posted By MFRecon2:
Only thing i can see here is maybe shaving the ridge off in the back giving it more play in the buffer tube, for when the mag pushes up against the front of the bcg. still dont see how that will help much when the lugs of the bolt itself are snagging on the mag. i dont know, maybe it will take alot of tuning for it to run 100% View Quote The ridge hasn't been shaved off, they added more material to the rear of the carrier making it more of a full-auto carrier. The original was more of a semi-auto carrier. |
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Originally Posted By wayne1one:
The ridge hasn't been shaved off, they added more material to the rear of the carrier making it more of a full-auto carrier. The original was more of a semi-auto carrier. View Quote interesting... doubt its going to help my problem but hope it fixes others. |
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So...first issue with the KS47 + BFS III. On her second trip to the range, I have dislodged the reinstalled gas block, turning it into a semi-auto bolt gun. (my fault most likely) Granted, I needed a reason to upgrade gas-blocks anyways lol, The gas tube has also turned a gold color too. I'm thinking forties or an Odin adjustable GB.
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SomeonebuyalltheriflekitsPLEASE!
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Originally Posted By numet:
So...first issue with the KS47 + BFS III. On her second trip to the range, I have dislodged the reinstalled gas block, turning it into a semi-auto bolt gun. (my fault most likely) Granted, I needed a reason to upgrade gas-blocks anyways lol, The gas tube has also turned a gold color too. I'm thinking forties or an Odin adjustable GB. View Quote My KS47 also has a BFS III in it, I really need PSA to step in with a fix for the BCG. The one mag that worked in my gun ran like a champ, this gun will be so much fun once they fix the BCG issue. |
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"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato
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Originally Posted By wayne1one:
Shhhhhhhhhhhh, don't tell the guys that have the GEN 1 KS47 BCG........ But, there's a GEN 2 BCG!! Hopefully, this BCG can solve some of the issues that others have been reporting. I will post pics later. here is a pic of the original BCG, this area has changed. I will take pics in the morning. PSA_9097 by 556 Channel (HD), on Flickr View Quote @wayne1one where are the pics? |
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Originally Posted By TATBME:
@wayne1one where are the pics? View Quote Sorry for the wait! IMG_0146 by 556 Channel (HD), on Flickr IMG_0144 by 556 Channel (HD), on Flickr |
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Originally Posted By wayne1one:
Sorry for the wait! IMG_0146 by 556 Channel (HD), on Flickr IMG_0144 by 556 Channel (HD), on Flickr View Quote I have 3 of the KS-47's 1 pistol and 2 carbines the first one was bought 9/16 all have what you are calling gen 2 carrier. I only have Magpul magazines and all 3 bolts drag on the magazines. I used a dremel to grind down the 2 bolt lugs that were rubbing the magazine lips since then I have zero issues. |
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So I'm guessing the permanent fix is to grind down the bolt lugs?
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"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato
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Originally Posted By bubba556:
I have 3 of the KS-47's 1 pistol and 2 carbines the first one was bought 9/16 all have what you are calling gen 2 carrier. I only have Magpul magazines and all 3 bolts drag on the magazines. I used a dremel to grind down the 2 bolt lugs that were rubbing the magazine lips since then I have zero issues. View Quote I'm on my 2nd BCG (first one sent back for hanging up on mags) and the one I have now looks the same as the picture (I assume we are looking at the relief cut into the back of the BCG). I can confirm it still hangs up on all of my surplus mags from various countries. |
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Originally Posted By TATBME:
So I'm guessing the permanent fix is to grind down the bolt lugs? View Quote I filed down the high spots on the feed lips on 1 mag and it runs great…can't get it to hang if you try. Doesn't impact their function in regular AKs after filing so I'm going to stick with that for now and see what happens. I may alter my bolt lugs at some point as some have had good results with that. |
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Originally Posted By bubba556:
I have 3 of the KS-47's 1 pistol and 2 carbines the first one was bought 9/16 all have what you are calling gen 2 carrier. I only have Magpul magazines and all 3 bolts drag on the magazines. I used a dremel to grind down the 2 bolt lugs that were rubbing the magazine lips since then I have zero issues. View Quote Bubba, is that including when the mag gets pushed forward? That seems to be the only time mine hangs up. |
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Just FYI, if you dremel a small groove in the drop-in trigger base housing for the spring to sit in, they all work perfectly. I'm currently running the new Echo binary trigger in it with no problems. The stock hybrid BCG works with the trigger group once fitted for the spring groove.
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Just saw an email from PSA that their blem lowers are back in stock for $199.99. I paid $149.99 when I got mine.
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Wish this gun ran right out of the box. SHAME PSA.
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i have a PSA KS47 upper and lower. the bolt carrier group is crazy tight when attempting to charge it. ive tried 4 diffrent BCGs, 2 milspec, 2 are from an adams arms piston kit. also the take down pins are so tight you have to squeeze the rear of the upper andlower together just to get the rear pin out or in. it also has trouble with my bolt unlocking. ive tried 3 different bolts and 3 barrels. do you have any ideas on this?
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Just got my tax stamp back on the lower. My upper and lower wont even close unless I put all my weight into it
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I'm very interested in this lower/upper/BCG combo. But I'd like to see the issues with the BCG/stripping of various mags worked out officially by PSA. I appreciate everyone's grinding down the BCG on 4 and 8. But I think it would be better if PSA themselves would apply the fix. Sorry if that makes me a wuss. But I'm a little skittish about mods like that.
Otherwise, I'm really looking forward to PSA doing some revisions on this. My interest is piqued and I would like to build one as soon as they work out some kinks. Question for the folks following this thread though: Has anyone considered/tried "pigtailing" a Mid Length Gas tube to the upper in place of using a straight carbine gas tube? I've seen this done on short barrel/pistol config AR15s to smooth out recoil. All of the 7.62x39 barrels I've seen have carbine gas ports on the barrels. Would attempting this on a KS47 yield a positive effect? edit: bear with me, I'm still new to the AR15 platform and am still wrapping my head around all of the mechanics and the relationship of parts with performance. |
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Originally Posted By dervisionar:
I'm very interested in this lower/upper/BCG combo. But I'd like to see the issues with the BCG/stripping of various mags worked out officially by PSA. I appreciate everyone's grinding down the BCG on 4 and 8. But I think it would be better if PSA themselves would apply the fix. Sorry if that makes me a wuss. But I'm a little skittish about mods like that. Otherwise, I'm really looking forward to PSA doing some revisions on this. My interest is piqued and I would like to build one as soon as they work out some kinks. Question for the folks following this thread though: Has anyone considered/tried "pigtailing" a Mid Length Gas tube to the upper in place of using a straight carbine gas tube? I've seen this done on short barrel/pistol config AR15s to smooth out recoil. All of the 7.62x39 barrels I've seen have carbine gas ports on the barrels. Would attempting this on a KS47 yield a positive effect? View Quote I should have my stamp back in the next couple of weeks and I would like to have this thing up and running by time it gets here. |
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"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato
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Besides bolt/mag mods I don't think PSA could make this "right" for guys that dropped a stamp on it.
The two things I can think of from a factory fix perspective would be the bolt coming moded from the factory(since they can't tune it I'm guessing the lugs on the 4 and 8 would just be snubbed), or the lower getting a gen 2 revision. The latter seems the better fix for everyone then the former. |
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It's a joke, it's all a joke. Mother forgive me.
sd0324 is my ARFDad Teener Crew For Life |
Screw it. I'm just going to use an AR mag lower and sell the KS47 lowers I bought.
PSA is stonewalling on this pretty hard it seems to me. |
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I just got my KS47 put together (stripped lower + carbine kit). Took it to the range yesterday and it was a funny shaped bolt gun. Thing would fire one round and then the trigger would not reset. Cycle the bolt, ejecting live round, and it would fire again. Repeat ad nauseum. Looked at the live rounds ejected from it and found very light strike marks on the primer. Would anyone have a possible idea about what might cause the trigger to not reset?
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Originally Posted By wpnsdog:
I just got my KS47 put together (stripped lower + carbine kit). Took it to the range yesterday and it was a funny shaped bolt gun. Thing would fire one round and then the trigger would not reset. Cycle the bolt, ejecting live round, and it would fire again. Repeat ad nauseum. Looked at the live rounds ejected from it and found very light strike marks on the primer. Would anyone have a possible idea about what might cause the trigger to not reset? View Quote |
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"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato
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Mine is stamped too
It will be range toy for me, but it's no fun if it won't run... |
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If I had a gun for every ace I've drawn, I could arm a town the size of Abilene.
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My FFL just called said my lower was in. With all these negative comments I hope I haven't made a mistake buying this. That said it seems if you simply modify the tops of your mags it should fix the issue. Am I missing something?
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I'm not sure I understand all the hate. Yes, there are some issues with the gun that should be addressed by PSA, but that doesn't make it a piece of scrap metal.
My KS-47 ran flawlessly on the first trip to the range, except when trying to rest the gun on the mag and it was obvious that the bolt was dragging on the mags. I don't normally shoot like that, but after reading complaints about it, I tried it for myself. A little time spent understanding the issue and it was obvious that the 4:00 and 8:00 bolt lugs were dragging on the magazine feed lips. I carefully sanded the sharp corner off each lug and put a radius on each end of the lug so it would clear or more easily ramp over the feed lip, if necessary. I was out to the range with the gun yesterday and could not make it fail in 200+ rounds. Bulgarian polymer, Magpul Gen 2 and a steel combloc mag all fed without issue when resting the gun on the magazine. The Magpul and steel mags have some wiggle when locked into the lower, while the Bulgarian polymer are rock solid with no movement. It looks like removing material from the bolt lugs solved the issue for me. My rear takedown pin does require me to squeeze the upper and lower together slightly in order to install or remove it. There is a slight interference between the upper and lower above the pivot pin that looks to be causing the issue. I'm sure if I spent a little time on it, that could be resolved too. Is the gun perfect right out of the box? No. But with a little effort, mine is working well. I know 400 rounds isn't much to get excited over, but at this point I'm comfortable with the way the gun operates and expect it to go bang every time I squeeze the trigger. With a brake and a heavier buffer, it shoots smooth and is accurate. |
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Originally Posted By loclass:
I'm not sure I understand all the hate. Yes, there are some issues with the gun that should be addressed by PSA, but that doesn't make it a piece of scrap metal. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By loclass:
I'm not sure I understand all the hate. Yes, there are some issues with the gun that should be addressed by PSA, but that doesn't make it a piece of scrap metal. Is the gun perfect right out of the box? No. But with a little effort, mine is working well. I know 400 rounds isn't much to get excited over, but at this point I'm comfortable with the way the gun operates and expect it to go bang every time I squeeze the trigger. I'm still a n00b here and maybe I'm speaking out of place. But I don't see this feedback as unreasonable. Could the tone be better? Sure. But that's just "people on the internet" for you. From my perspective, I just see people who are fans of PSA products that have an interest in purchasing and just want to make the product better. Maybe I'm being too optimistic? Edit: conciseness. |
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Originally Posted By dervisionar:
I don't think this thread is "hate" per se. I honestly feel like this is a general demand for PSA to implement some of these fixes everyone is talking about. We all know they pay attention to the forums. So owners are voicing some concerns. I don't own one of these yet. I want to buy one, but I want it to be 100% reliable. And if bullets aren't being fed from the mag properly, there's a problem. This statement sums up the "negative response" of some members here. You, personally, had to make modifications to the BGC in order to fix 1 of the problems with the gun. I applaud that. But PSA already sells a hybrid BCG for this gun. Why don't they just start machining that modification into the BCG as a standard feature? And as someone who's new to AR style builds, I'm not really comfortable in altering parts myself. Especially a part I'm going to dump $200 on. I have an expectation that it's going to work "right out of the box" without giving me the opportunity to break it and need to order another one before I even get to use it in my build. I'm still a n00b here and maybe I'm speaking out of place. But I don't see this feedback as unreasonable. Could the tone be better? Sure. But that's just "people on the internet" for you. From my perspective, I just see people who are fans of PSA products that have an interest in purchasing and just want to make the product better. Maybe I'm being too optimistic? Edit: conciseness. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By dervisionar:
I'm very interested in this lower/upper/BCG combo. But I'd like to see the issues with the BCG/stripping of various mags worked out officially by PSA. I appreciate everyone's grinding down the BCG on 4 and 8. But I think it would be better if PSA themselves would apply the fix. Sorry if that makes me a wuss. But I'm a little skittish about mods like that. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By wayne1one:
Agreed 100%, thanks for posting this. I feel the same way, they see this thread at the top of their industry partner feed. View Quote For all we know, PSA is just taking in this "field testing" we're doing and rolling it into a Gen2 product. Or they make a Gen2 BGC with modified 4/8 lug and Upper Receiver with the and some rivets that keep the AK mags from inserting too deep to where the scraping/misfeeds happen when you hold the mag a certain way. That way, they don't have to scrap the whole design. Take my advice with a grain of salt: I'm no armorer or weaponsmith. And I'm new to the gun industry, but I feel like I'm learning a lot. Either way, I'm sure that PSA is taking a look at what people are talking about and work it into a revision. We see it done with all types of guns. Heck, the M16 needed a few revisions before it became a trusted weapon for the US armed forces. All we have to do as a community is keep the feedback constructive and be supportive of this venture. I really want to see someone nail the 7.62x39 AR15 problem and I believe that PSA has the right idea. And if we keep them honest while staying constructive, I'm sure everyone will benefit. Anyway... that's my slice of disgusting positivity for the day. |
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Originally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory:
All of the KS47 Bolts have lugs with different profiles than AR-15 bolts. There has not been a Gen2 or upgrade of this part. If you purchased a KS47 BCG from us, or received on in one of our uppers, it should work with either steel or polymer magazines without issue. If your PSA KS47 bolt does not have the special lugs, you have the wrong bolt. Contact customer service directly, they will be happy to take care of it for you. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By rlltd42:
Yes, please---a picture would help us compare our bolts in case we have the wrong one. View Quote |
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