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Right now I think we're looking at starting to ship those in the next 3-5 weeks!
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Will the current Defender Flip Cap eyepiece (E-10) and Defender Flip Cap Objective 50 (O-50) be compatible with the Gen II 5-25x50 FFP?
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Razor gen1 uses 35mm rings. PST uses 30mm. Reticles will be very similar. EBR2B vs. EBR2C 5-20 on the Razor, 5-25 on the PST Gen2. Razor HD 5-20 (MRAD) has 36 mils of adjustment, where the PST has 20. View Quote Thank you! I saw noticed the difference in reticles and ring size. I should have been a little more specific when I posed this question. How does the glass quality compare? |
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Quoted:Thank you! I saw noticed the difference in reticles and ring size. I should have been a little more specific when I posed this question. How does the glass quality compare? View Quote You're very welcome. I can't answer that question quite yet, but I will be doing a review of the PST 1-6 in MOA vs. the Razor 1-6 in MRAD once I have them sitting next to each other on a bench |
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Quoted: We need a reason to go check out the showroom? I must have missed that memo... I can't wait to see it in Barneveld Me to will be about 10 miles closer and a more scenic drive... |
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One of the few areas of the state where 40 acres gets you two hills and a valley...
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Yes - you'll need the E-10 eyepiece, and the O-24 objective!
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I'm apparently near the front of the line at Optics Planet for a MRAD reticle. They've called me twice now to see if I'll blink and take a scope that's in stock rather than wait for a PST G2 1-6. Last week they reported the scopes might not get to them until late March or April, but I didn't take the bait. The sooner Vortex starts shipping them, the sooner I get to post a review of my scope!
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Cross post from the Optics thread.
I've heard a few mentions of the PST2 1-6 being less robust than the Razor (understandable at the price point). Can anyone quantify that at all? Will the PST2 stand up to a tough multi-day carbine course (thinking like an old EAG course that was known to kill Eotechs), shoot house, 3-gun season where the gun gets bumped, tossed around (not abused, but used), etc? I understand and appreciate Vortex's excellent warranty. The big plan is to build a new HD/training gun with this as a better value than a Razor II, but I want it to be able to take the use without needing warranty service. Thanks! |
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Cross post from the Optics thread. I've heard a few mentions of the PST2 1-6 being less robust than the Razor (understandable at the price point). Can anyone quantify that at all? Will the PST2 stand up to a tough multi-day carbine course (thinking like an old EAG course that was known to kill Eotechs), shoot house, 3-gun season where the gun gets bumped, tossed around (not abused, but used), etc? I understand and appreciate Vortex's excellent warranty. The big plan is to build a new HD/training gun with this as a better value than a Razor II, but I want it to be able to take the use without needing warranty service. Thanks! View Quote Quoted for bump. I'm curious as well |
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I have a Gen ll 1-6x and a 2-10x ordered today.
I'm a little late to the party, but just in case there are any picks up or reviews by the time I get mine I'll make sure and put some up as soon as I get a chance. Looking forward to seeing some pics of them out in the wild when they start shipping I keep coming back to vortex all the time, because I find for me anyway, on every PST or razor I have ever owned have had the most forgiving eyebox I have ever encountered. |
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Dang... wish there were a few reviews available. I'm in the process of deciding on if I want to throw a T2 on my new rifle or wait it out for the 1-6. I'd love to know how this compares to the Razor in terms of ruggedness and glass!
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There aren't any reviews as they haven't hit the streets yet, but I can tell you that I personally have been shooting the 1-6 Razor Gen 2 for almost 5 years. I've got probably 50,000 rounds through my original one and don't have a single issue to speak of.
Now, the Gen II PST isn't a Gen II Razor but it is mighty close. I've shot one now for about 3 months, and can tell you that from the perspective of a guy who mainly shoots 3-gun matches, the occasional carbine class, and just regular old practice at the range, you won't be disappointed with the Gen II PST. The main difference you'll notice from a performance standpoint is the optical clarity at long range. Color resolution is unparalleled in the Gen II Razor, and that's what gives you that high level of detail that shooters have come to know and love about the Razor. I took out the Gen II PST to the Seekins Precision Hard as Hell Multigun in St. George, Utah this past December. We had shots ranging from 5 feet to 647 yards. The only part of this entire match that would have been better was on the long range stage. We shot the stage as our last one of the day, and again, with light fading, the only thing that the Gen II Razor would have done better, would be the clarity in failing light. The backdrop was red rock and grey boulders, and I had a hard time seeing my misses. Again, this is with the Gen II PST, and keeping in mind this was at 647 yards, and on my 6th shot, it hit an 18x24" plate to activate the strobe. So, I don't know if you could say that i would have hit it on the 4th shot or 6th shot with my Gen II Razor because of increased clarity and resolution, but again, that was the ONLY thing that I think slowed me down at all. I've shot the Gen II Razor going on my 5th season in 3 gun, and I pulled out a 15th place finish out of 211 shooters, with a scope I'd never shot at a match, and had only shot about 100 rounds through before the match. I realize this might be a bit of a biased opinion, because I'd love you to order up a Gen II PST, but since there is limited real-world usage with this scope, I figured I'd share my experience. RJ |
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There aren't any reviews as they haven't hit the streets yet, but I can tell you that I personally have been shooting the 1-6 Razor Gen 2 for almost 5 years. I've got probably 50,000 rounds through my original one and don't have a single issue to speak of. Now, the Gen II PST isn't a Gen II Razor but it is mighty close. I've shot one now for about 3 months, and can tell you that from the perspective of a guy who mainly shoots 3-gun matches, the occasional carbine class, and just regular old practice at the range, you won't be disappointed with the Gen II PST. The main difference you'll notice from a performance standpoint is the optical clarity at long range. Color resolution is unparalleled in the Gen II Razor, and that's what gives you that high level of detail that shooters have come to know and love about the Razor. I took out the Gen II PST to the Seekins Precision Hard as Hell Multigun in St. George, Utah this past December. We had shots ranging from 5 feet to 647 yards. The only part of this entire match that would have been better was on the long range stage. We shot the stage as our last one of the day, and again, with light fading, the only thing that the Gen II Razor would have done better, would be the clarity in failing light. The backdrop was red rock and grey boulders, and I had a hard time seeing my misses. Again, this is with the Gen II PST, and keeping in mind this was at 647 yards, and on my 6th shot, it hit an 18x24" plate to activate the strobe. So, I don't know if you could say that i would have hit it on the 4th shot or 6th shot with my Gen II Razor because of increased clarity and resolution, but again, that was the ONLY thing that I think slowed me down at all. I've shot the Gen II Razor going on my 5th season in 3 gun, and I pulled out a 15th place finish out of 211 shooters, with a scope I'd never shot at a match, and had only shot about 100 rounds through before the match. I realize this might be a bit of a biased opinion, because I'd love you to order up a Gen II PST, but since there is limited real-world usage with this scope, I figured I'd share my experience. RJ View Quote I pre ordered mine through y'all with the mil program. Any ETA on when the 1-6s will be coming out the doors? |
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Will the Gen II 3-15 have improved optical performance over the Gen I 4-16?
Also are there any plans for a larger objective in the 2-10 and 3-15 scopes and a SFP 2-10? |
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Will the Gen II 3-15 have improved optical performance over the Gen I 4-16? Also are there any plans for a larger objective in the 2-10 and 3-15 scopes and a SFP 2-10? View Quote I personally am not aware of any additions to the line as of yet, since we've not yet started shipping these. But if you recall, we made several additions to the Gen I line as time went on and we heard from customers. RJ |
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Cross post from the Optics thread. I've heard a few mentions of the PST2 1-6 being less robust than the Razor (understandable at the price point). Can anyone quantify that at all? Will the PST2 stand up to a tough multi-day carbine course (thinking like an old EAG course that was known to kill Eotechs), shoot house, 3-gun season where the gun gets bumped, tossed around (not abused, but used), etc? I understand and appreciate Vortex's excellent warranty. The big plan is to build a new HD/training gun with this as a better value than a Razor II, but I want it to be able to take the use without needing warranty service. Thanks! Quoted for bump. I'm curious as well There is a volunteer fighter, British guy I think? His Instagram goes by the name peshmerganor who has been using a Vortex strike eagle for quite some time now fighting Isis. I think that's a pretty good testament to the ruggedness of even one of Vortexes lower end models. He has several photos on his instagram page and you can see his M-16 with the Vortex Strike Eagle mounted on it. I have to warn anyone that goes to his page, that there are some pretty gory pictures of dead Isis soldiers so I'm not going to hotlink it because I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be doing this here. I believe he has two instagram accounts and a facebook account. |
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Anyone get a shipping notification yet?
Optics planet told me a couple days ago they would have some in today. I'm bummed if true because I was supposed to be one of the recipients but I canceled because they told me my refund $ from a return would be 3 more day's, of course I get the refund today. |
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Anyone get a shipping notification yet? Optics planet told me a couple days ago they would have some in today. I'm bummed if true because I was supposed to be one of the recipients but I canceled because they told me my refund $ from a return would be 3 more day's, of course I get the refund today. View Quote I'm out. Getting a little tired of optics planet misleading everyone on the timeframe of when these will come out. I was in chat on 2/8 and one of their representatives had told me that it was coming in on Friday 2/10. They even acted like they were all excited about it for me. Only to find out that they were full of crap. Plus on top of that, God forbid you have a problem and you have to send anything back to them they will hold your refund hostage for almost 3 weeks and come up with all kinds of excuses. I'm done with Optics planet until they straighten their act out. I know of two other companies right now that have a great deal on them and i'm going to order from them and just wait for it to come in. Unfortunately it looks like it's going to be a 4 to 6 month wait now. It's to bad optics planet had to jerk me around for two weeks because I could've originally ordered these from somewhere else and maybe gotten in their order queue earlier. Vortex if I were you I would do business elsewhere with someone who's more honest and has some integrity when dealing with their customers. I realize the delay may or may not be coming from Vortex itself which is not a big deal because it happens all the time with a new line of products, and I know Vortex doesn't like putting anything out until they've completely worked out every little bug, but Optics Planet needs to stop misleading people. some of their representatives should take a job at CNN. They would be really good at fake news! |
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Optics Planet has a very public record of being shitty, that sucks man
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Optics Planet has a very public record of being shitty, that sucks man View Quote Yes they definitely have for a while now. My last two experiences with them ordering was pretty good, I got some pretty good deals and they were shipped fast, but unfortunately I had to ship both of them back, which wasn't optics planet's fault but the optics were both defective. On one of them be windage adjustment would not line up and still click left to right even when locked down. The other one I couldn't get the diopter to adjust the reticle clear. Every time I asked what the status was of my return I had to wait 10 to 15 minutes for the representative to simply type back a robotic answer Of something I already knew. Once again I was misled and I was told that "oh we will be getting to your return tomorrow" and then it took another week after that. I think sometimes we're all better off getting stuff from places like Amazon etc:, because as soon as your return package gets to them the money is back in your account within an hour or two and most of the time within minutes. Last I checked Amazon was a pretty damn big company and I imagine has to deal with a high volume of returns, but yet they still get it right. Optics planet even mentions, that they will price match and I have tried it several times with them and they didn't seem to really give a crap. |
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Cameraland got a shipment of pst gen2s today. Looks like sfp models.
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Cameraland got a shipment of pst gen2s today. Looks like sfp models. View Quote Just ordered PST Gen ll 3-15x44 from Cameraland. I thought Optics Planet was supposed to be the first to start shipping these exclusively? Would like to hear anybody got theirs yet from them? If so I definitely want to hear their thoughts on Gen ll PST's. I will definitely post here as soon as I get it.. |
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Why would any company take a dealer who has the reputation of optics planet, and send them the first shipment (much less exclusively) of a product this popular? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I thought Optics Planet was supposed to be the first to start shipping these exclusively? Why would any company take a dealer who has the reputation of optics planet, and send them the first shipment (much less exclusively) of a product this popular? Don't know? I was trying to be nice because that's what I was told. |
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Don't know? I was trying to be nice because that's what I was told. View Quote OP doesnt typically strive to give a truthful answer, they strive to give the answer that makes you get your wallet out. At least now you know, but it always amazes me how quickly people forget when they get the chance to save 10 bucks on the next purchase. |
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OP doesnt typically strive to give a truthful answer, they strive to give the answer that makes you get your wallet out. At least now you know, but it always amazes me how quickly people forget when they get the chance to save 10 bucks on the next purchase. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Don't know? I was trying to be nice because that's what I was told. OP doesnt typically strive to give a truthful answer, they strive to give the answer that makes you get your wallet out. At least now you know, but it always amazes me how quickly people forget when they get the chance to save 10 bucks on the next purchase. I saved $198 between the 2 optics I bought but after waiting over 3 weeks for my refund I would rather pay a little more. I was also checking out Cameraland's return policy and they leave a bit to be desired. Good thing for the Vortex warranty. |
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My G2 3-15x44 is on its way from cameraland, but cameraland was not very straightforward either about what is in stock because they are shipping it FedEx straight from vortex and I should have it Saturday.
I shouldn't complain though, because I am getting one pretty darn quicker than most. |
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Looks like I'm 4 weeks out on a PST-5258 now.
It will be going on a Stealth 10BA in 6.5C |
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Does anybody know which throw lever will fit the gen 2's?
Look to be the same size ring as the Razor models? Just checked the specs on the site, and the PST gen 2 are 1.8 and the Razor are 1.81. Maybe they are close enough to fit the same throw lever? |
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Does anybody know which throw lever will fit the gen 2's? Look to be the same size ring as the Razor models? Just checked the specs on the site, and the PST gen 2 are 1.8 and the Razor are 1.81. Maybe they are close enough to fit the same throw lever? View Quote This one says it fits the PST 2 http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-switchview-throw-lever-sv-5# |
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I preordered the Gen 2 3-15 MRAD from optics planet.. now they're saying sometime in July is the expected delivery. I was going to try these out but now I'm a little turned off and thinking of biting the bullet and getting something else. Anyone know what the deal is? When I first ordered it was march or April ETA..
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I preordered the Gen 2 3-15 MRAD from optics planet.. now they're saying sometime in July is the expected delivery. I was going to try these out but now I'm a little turned off and thinking of biting the bullet and getting something else. Anyone know what the deal is? When I first ordered it was march or April ETA.. View Quote That's a bummer. If you don't mind SFP ,there are a bunch of those in stock right now at Camera Land, and Sport Optics. I found mine in stock at Camera Land NY first. I'm probably going to piss off a certain member here that has been post stalking me HI FG24U!!! and all my post about this here lately but Optics Planet is really been turning me off Lately with their lax CS. I get the feeling they might be a little understaffed there. I also think that there may be a little bit of one hand doesn't know what the other hand is doing going on there. Optics Planet has been kind of hit and miss. Sometimes they're cheaper than everybody else but sometimes 30-40$ over common price. Sorry for the rant, but I better stop before FG24U starts to stroke out. I really am just trying to help here. It is a forum after all? I will digress now. The glass on my new PST gen 2 3-15x44 SFP is definitely a huge improvement over the first generation. Of course I have always been really impressed with the PST line from the get-go, if that tells you anything about this new gen 2. They are definitely heavier than the first generation, which makes me think maybe there might be some more durability added to them,, plus it may it have to do with the better quality glass being put in them now. |
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