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Did anyone get handguards to attach to their upper? Whats going on here? The handguards retainer doesn't fit rifle length handguards. They fit an M4 fine, but as you can see in the picture, it's too short.
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[#2]
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Did anyone get handguards to attach to their upper? WHats going on here? The handguards retainer doesn't fit Handguards. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/298/IMG-3293-253405.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/298/IMG-3294-253406.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/298/IMG-3295-253407.JPG View Quote |
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[#4]
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It will not fit. I uninstalled the barrel and a normal rifle length handguard is too big for the retainer. To say I am annoyed is an understatement. View Quote Gonna play devil's advocate here..........did they run a pin into the FSB to locate the retainer? If not, is it on upside down? Though I don't think that would matter given how they interface. |
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[#5]
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Weird. Gonna play devil's advocate here..........did they run a pin into the FSB to locate the retainer? If not, is it on upside down? Though I don't think that would matter given how they interface. View Quote |
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[#6]
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No, they didn't do that, even though "cheap barrels", like those from PSA do. I know it was in the right orientation because the gas tube hole was at 12:00 when I tried to install a normal handguard. I am so annoyed. View Quote |
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[#7]
Mine is still sitting in the bag in the box, I have a set of midlength handguards from psa that i could see if they fit later on today
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[#9]
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Mine is still sitting in the bag in the box, I have a set of midlength handguards from psa that i could see if they fit later on today View Quote I hammered them in more last night, but they still stick out on one side. I can't hammer them in anymore, but I don't think they're going to pop out again. I haven't tried to fit handguards yet. Is the retainer supposed to be loose on the barrel? I thought they were usually fixed in place. |
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[#10]
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You may want to look at it. My FSB pins popped out while I was installing the pin in the gas block. I don't think they were really ever in all the way. I hammered them in more last night, but they still stick out on one side. I can't hammer them in anymore, but I don't think they're going to pop out again. I haven't tried to fit handguards yet. Is the retainer supposed to be loose on the barrel? I thought they were usually fixed in place. View Quote We can verify that the included handguard caps are functional with M16 and Magpul handguards, as we tested them prior to shipment. We apologize for any confusion and know myself and team are always here to help. |
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[#11]
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Correct. The FSB is not fully pinned into place so one has the easy option of replacing the handguard retainer or to replace the barrel nut if they wanted a free-floated system. We previously fully drove in the taper pins and customers howled about how they could not get off the FSB, so we changed the procedure. We can verify that the included handguard caps are functional with M16 and Magpul handguards, as we tested them prior to shipment. We apologize for any confusion and know myself and team are always here to help. View Quote Attached File Attached File |
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[#12]
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Yeah, I am really confused. Thanks for calling me a liar. They don't fit. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/298/IMG-3297-253509.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/298/IMG-3298-253510.JPG View Quote As we stated, we pulled AQL testing samples to verify functionality. Seeing this variation from that is something that I am now working on personally. Will report back by end of the day on what is found. We still have a few back here at Faxon that I can work with. |
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[#13]
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Correct. The FSB is not fully pinned into place so one has the easy option of replacing the handguard retainer or to replace the barrel nut if they wanted a free-floated system. We previously fully drove in the taper pins and customers howled about how they could not get off the FSB, so we changed the procedure. We can verify that the included handguard caps are functional with M16 and Magpul handguards, as we tested them prior to shipment. We apologize for any confusion and know myself and team are always here to help. View Quote |
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[#14]
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What brand of A2 hand guards and do the Magpul SL hand guards fit? View Quote OK - Went straight to the gun room and got down to business. Results as follows: 1. Faxon tested the Dissipator barrels for function across different types of handguards for length. We verified that A2 and various Magpul options worked for the length of the FSB. 2. For mounting, we opted to the round handguard cap. This cap is compatible with all Magpul handguards and most other aftermarket offerings. The specific handguard was requested by a vendor as we had the intention of offering other options with dissipator barrels. 3. The round handguard cap is 100% compatible with all carbine and mid length handguards, but rifle length (and ONLY rifle length) require the triangular end cap. A2 handguards can be made to fit this round option with a dremel and some patience (I did this personally this AM). However, that modification is sure to void any warranties, etc. I apologize for the confusion I may have imparted to the forum. Further, this emphasizes the choice to not drive the taper pins so customers can change and customize the barrel as they wish. Thank you all for your patience and business. Its an honor to be of service. |
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I ordered a Magpul MAG 427 handguard when I ordered the barrel and confirm it does fit.
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Yes, I just tested it with MOE and SL. 100% good to go. OK - Went straight to the gun room and got down to business. Results as follows: 1. Faxon tested the Dissipator barrels for function across different types of handguards for length. We verified that A2 and various Magpul options worked for the length of the FSB. 2. For mounting, we opted to the round handguard cap. This cap is compatible with all Magpul handguards and most other aftermarket offerings. The specific handguard was requested by a vendor as we had the intention of offering other options with dissipator barrels. 3. The round handguard cap is 100% compatible with all carbine and mid length handguards, but rifle length (and ONLY rifle length) require the triangular end cap. A2 handguards can be made to fit this round option with a dremel and some patience (I did this personally this AM). However, that modification is sure to void any warranties, etc. I apologize for the confusion I may have imparted to the forum. Further, this emphasizes the choice to not drive the taper pins so customers can change and customize the barrel as they wish. Thank you all for your patience and business. Its an honor to be of service. View Quote Edit: I didn't read the part in blue at first, so my question is withdrawn. |
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Edit: I didn't read the part in blue at first, so my question is withdrawn. View Quote |
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[#19]
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Yes, I just tested it with MOE and SL. 100% good to go. OK - Went straight to the gun room and got down to business. Results as follows: 1. Faxon tested the Dissipator barrels for function across different types of handguards for length. We verified that A2 and various Magpul options worked for the length of the FSB. 2. For mounting, we opted to the round handguard cap. This cap is compatible with all Magpul handguards and most other aftermarket offerings. The specific handguard was requested by a vendor as we had the intention of offering other options with dissipator barrels. 3. The round handguard cap is 100% compatible with all carbine and mid length handguards, but rifle length (and ONLY rifle length) require the triangular end cap. A2 handguards can be made to fit this round option with a dremel and some patience (I did this personally this AM). However, that modification is sure to void any warranties, etc. I apologize for the confusion I may have imparted to the forum. Further, this emphasizes the choice to not drive the taper pins so customers can change and customize the barrel as they wish. Thank you all for your patience and business. Its an honor to be of service. View Quote |
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[#21]
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The part in red is BS. I will never buy faxon. Triangular cap is standard not dremel. Make it good or keep a black eye. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Yes, I just tested it with MOE and SL. 100% good to go. OK - Went straight to the gun room and got down to business. Results as follows: 1. Faxon tested the Dissipator barrels for function across different types of handguards for length. We verified that A2 and various Magpul options worked for the length of the FSB. 2. For mounting, we opted to the round handguard cap. This cap is compatible with all Magpul handguards and most other aftermarket offerings. The specific handguard was requested by a vendor as we had the intention of offering other options with dissipator barrels. 3. The round handguard cap is 100% compatible with all carbine and mid length handguards, but rifle length (and ONLY rifle length) require the triangular end cap. A2 handguards can be made to fit this round option with a dremel and some patience (I did this personally this AM). However, that modification is sure to void any warranties, etc. I apologize for the confusion I may have imparted to the forum. Further, this emphasizes the choice to not drive the taper pins so customers can change and customize the barrel as they wish. Thank you all for your patience and business. Its an honor to be of service. Mistakes/oversights happen but it would be cool to see EAHBAR made whole. Considering a dissy uses triangular caps, the customer shouldn't have to resort to taking a dremel to anything to fix this. A ~$2 part seems like a small price to pay to keep a customer and a very good reputation. |
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[#22]
After handeling the rifle with the mods made to the handguards, I am no longer dissatisfied with the product I purchased. I'm a bit annoyed I had to grind down the handguards to fit, but I'm no longer upset. Although it was odd for their customer service to suggest that I grind on the handguards, after I completed the mods and let it soak in for a bit, I am satisfied. I guess you could say their response was both adequate and appropriate. In the end, these rifles should work as intended and at this time I have no reason to believe that mine will not.
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[#23]
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Yeah, I am really confused. They don't fit. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/298/IMG-3297-253509.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/298/IMG-3298-253510.JPG View Quote |
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[#24]
This round handguard cap on a rifle length front sight base is just laziness.
Sure a lot of after market rifle length handguards will work with a round handguard cap, but they all work with a triangle handguard cap along with all the OEM options that only work with a triangle handguard cap. But no, they where going to be an extra part to have to inventory and one that was going to require a little bit more effort to procure, so everyone started making excuses for how a round handguard cap is ok. Half pinning the FSB, "the customer can dremel there increasing hard to find A2 handguards", "nobody even uses triangle type handgaurds anymore", and Magpul MOE and SL handguards fit (even though rifle length SL's don't exist because they can't work with triangle hand guard caps and Magpul was smart enough not go against a 50 year old standard). All this over a $1.25 part that would of made everyone happy. Finally I apologize for even typing this, normally I stay out of things like this. I have no dog in this fight, but this thoroughly triggered me and was going to eat at me all weekend if I didn't say something. I used to make my living making things like niche barrel assemblies happen, it was my job to make sure the best handguard cap for the job was used. I'm no longer stake my livelihood on this industry in part at least, because I was tired of having to fight (and lose) for things like spending an extra $0.25 to use the correct handguard cap, so this hit real close to my former home. So carry on and keep improving, I'm still a fan of Bryan and AIM and I like(for the most part) what Faxon is doing with their barrels. Edited to add: I actually feel better now for writing this. |
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[#26]
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I like the fact that the FSB and gas block are not completely pinned as I had to remove both to install a delta ring for the Magpul handguard. http://i68.tinypic.com/2jhcnl.jpg View Quote |
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Its our pleasure to address the concerns outlined by Eagle. In many respects he has valid points, which we are happy to address. We will proceed through them in order, barring number 9, which we will address first as we believe its the most pressing.
9) CALLED ME A LIAR when I pointed out they installed the wrong handguard cap. View Quote 1) Took too long to manufacture; View Quote Specifically, we created permanent fixturing to handle FSBs and their alignment mechanically - ensuring 100% vertical alignment. This also allows us to move faster on FSB equipped barrels for production and ultimately down the line we want to offer FSBs as an option in the same vein as gas blocks, etc. 2) Taper pins not installed all the way; View Quote We chose not to run pins in all the way (or install the pin on the gas block) as we know customers would opt to likely customize the barrel in some form (handguard caps, change to free float, etc.). Further, with the need to drive the gas tube in, we could not drive the gas block pin or one would not be able to install the barrel nut. 3) Not chrome lined; View Quote 4) Cost too much; View Quote 5) Roll pin not already installed in the gas block; View Quote 6) 1/8" twist ( ... really?); View Quote 7) Wrong handguard cap; View Quote 8) .750 gas block (why?); and View Quote Again, to EagleHBAR - we apologize profusely for the confusion and any perceived slight. We hope that the above helps put your mind at ease on why we chose and worked the way we did and truly how much thought went into these parts - they were not an afterthought for myself and team. Can you IM me your e-mail address so I can communicate offline from Arfcom? To all other customers, please do not hesitate to reach out to us anytime. As always, my e-mail is in my signature and do not hesitate to use it. We make it right - always. |
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Its our pleasure to address the concerns outlined by Eagle. In many respects he has valid points, which we are happy to address. We will proceed through them in order, barring number 9, which we will address first as we believe its the most pressing. -First, I would like to apologize for any and all miscommunication and further that our earlier apology was not detailed, clear, or sufficient to express our dismay that remarks would be construed as such. As hopefully all can see here, we take the major step to be open with all and no offense is ever meant. -We agree! When we embarked on this project, we thought it was going to be significantly smoother sailing, but as we got deeper into it, we made some decisions that would delay the release, but ultimately increase customer satisfaction and quality. Specifically, we created permanent fixturing to handle FSBs and their alignment mechanically - ensuring 100% vertical alignment. This also allows us to move faster on FSB equipped barrels for production and ultimately down the line we want to offer FSBs as an option in the same vein as gas blocks, etc. -Correct. This was a purposeful choice and we apologize for it not being communicated through clearer. We have taken the steps on our website and all our partners to add additional details to product decriptions to ensure that this is covered. We chose not to run pins in all the way (or install the pin on the gas block) as we know customers would opt to likely customize the barrel in some form (handguard caps, change to free float, etc.). Further, with the need to drive the gas tube in, we could not drive the gas block pin or one would not be able to install the barrel nut. -Faxon prefers Nitride in almost all cases for reasons we have stated publicly. Adding chrome would have increased both cost and lead time as well. -For us, these are specialty barrels that have significant added time, complexity, and manufacturing costs. As true to the market, the lower we can keep the price, the more likely something is to sell. We endeavored to keep that price as low as possible. -Like the taper pins, this was on purpose. We wanted people to have the option on how they install gas tubes, change handguard systems, etc. -1/8 twist is Faxon's preferred barrel twist. It is ideal for the entirely of standard 5.56 bullet weights. -We chose the round cap at the request of a vendor. It was the original intent of this project to offer completed barrel assemblies with MOE handguards installed along with complete uppers and other SKUs. This is also why we only lightly tapped the taper pins - so customer could change their handguard cap if they wanted to. -Good question. We wrestled with this, but found having the .750 gas block and .625" FSB the easiest method to set up so both were easily indexed and installed. Its also why we left the shoulder to make setting the gas block distance easier for customers doing the final install. Again, to EagleHBAR - we apologize profusely for the confusion and any perceived slight. We hope that the above helps put your mind at ease on why we chose and worked the way we did and truly how much thought went into these parts - they were not an afterthought for myself and team. Can you IM me your e-mail address so I can communicate offline from Arfcom? To all other customers, please do not hesitate to reach out to us anytime. As always, my e-mail is in my signature and do not hesitate to use it. We make it right - always. View Quote |
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[#29]
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Looks great. How is it shooting? View Quote The third BCG I tried was an AIM light weight and it cycled 100% with that on the PPU but only 7 out of 10 with the PMC 223. My guess is under-gassed. What size is the gas port? |
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[#30]
The whole use of round handguard cap because of the intent to use Magpul MOE handguards just doesn't make sense and if anything is a lame excuse. If that's what AIM asked and paid for then fine but it was not a good decision.
The Magpul MOE works with a triangular handguard cap and other rifle length handguards, be they Triangular or A2, only work with a triangular handguard cap. Perhaps it was an oversight but now that the issue is known it may be wise to replace the round cap with a triangular on all future sales. |
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Funny you should ask, it's not cycling for shit! Tried 2 known good AIM NiB BCGs and it would cycle far enough to reset the hammer but not far enough to strip the next round off the magazine. Tried with both PPU M193 and PMC Bronze 223. The build used a Spike's Tactical Mil-Spec buffer tube kit with a ST-T2 buffer. The third BCG I tried was an AIM light weight and it cycled 100% with that on the PPU but only 7 out of 10 with the PMC 223. My guess is under-gassed. What size is the gas port? View Quote Send me an e-mail and we'll help troubleshoot. |
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mine is just sitting in the safe now waiting to get built. I do have a 2a titanium .750 gas block and v7 titanium barrel nut also, I'm debating on using them to make this barrel as light as possible. So I'm glad the fsb pins are not driven all the way. And I have a triangle cap I will swap on too.
Does anyone know what size tap/bolt I would need to thread the fsb to hold the handguard cap solid? |
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mine is just sitting in the safe now waiting to get built. I do have a 2a titanium .750 gas block and v7 titanium barrel nut also, I'm debating on using them to make this barrel as light as possible. So I'm glad the fsb pins are not driven all the way. And I have a triangle cap I will swap on too. Does anyone know what size tap/bolt I would need to thread the fsb to hold the handguard cap solid? View Quote |
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I posted a thread about the taper pins before seeing the feedback in here. This is my first Faxon product; it's nicely finished and the profile is spot on. That said, the reversed taper pins and round cap are . At least I had the option of easily dumping the round cap and I knew about it before I purchased. The reversed taper pins made me get out random wood scraps for support, which was irritating considering that I own a bench block that happens to work well for this purpose. Aside from the taper pins I would like to see the following:
1) Use a longer roll pin for the lo-pro gas block. With a longer pin, I can use an 1/8" pin punch with a nipple that prevents the punch from slipping and prevents the end of the pin from getting excessive mashed up. I had to switch to a smaller 3/32" punch to get the roll pin all the way in and it smashed the end of the pin up. A 1/8" diameter roll pin would be even better. 2) Tap the A2 FSB for a bolt to hold the hand guard retainer. It shouldn't add too much cost as an additional setup op is not required. 3) Please deburr the taper pin holes...mine were sharp as hell. It only took me a couple seconds and it helps with overall perceived quality. Edit: Revised |
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[#37]
I was able to get my dissy to the range today and get it zeroed. I mounted it on an A2 upper. I was very impressed that it shot a ragged hole at 25 yards. I ran about 50 rounds (both steel cased wolf and brass IMI) through it and it was flawless.
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[#38]
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I posted a thread about the taper pins before seeing the feedback in here. This is my first Faxon product; it's nicely finished and the profile is spot on. That said, the reversed taper pins and round cap are . At least I had the option of easily dumping the round cap and I knew about it before I purchased. The reversed taper pins made me get out random wood scraps for support, which was irritating considering that I own a bench block that happens to work well for this purpose. Aside from the taper pins I would like to see the following: 1) Use a longer roll pin for the lo-pro gas block. With a longer pin, I can use an 1/8" pin punch with a nipple that prevents the punch from slipping and prevents the end of the pin from getting excessive mashed up. I had to switch to a smaller 3/32" punch to get the roll pin all the way in and it smashed the end of the pin up. A 1/8" diameter roll pin would be even better. 2) Tap the A2 FSB for a bolt to hold the hand guard retainer. It shouldn't add too much cost as an additional setup op is not required. 3) Please deburr the taper pin holes...mine were sharp as hell. It only took me a couple seconds and it helps with overall perceived quality. Edit: Revised View Quote Love the feedback and know that we will always incorporate it into continuous improvement cycles at Faxon! |
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