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Posted: 3/27/2006 7:01:23 AM EDT
My squad has decided to purchase 5.7's . We got em on order, but I'm starting to pull my hair out trying to find holsters, preferably Level II or III. I've googled till I can't google anymore. Someone please point me to some sources . . . . . . . |
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I'm not too up on the 5.7 but why did you decide on that handgun? I have never heard anything good about the 5.7 for duty use. As far as duty holsters I'm sure someone here will have some good links.
Maybe call Streicher's. They sell the 5.7 in their police equipment catalog. Minneapolis Corporate Headquarters/Ordering Center/Showroom Streicher's 10911 W. Highway 55 Minneapolis, MN 55441-0398 (800) 367-3763 Toll-Free Phone (800) 566-6776 Toll-Free Fax Milwaukee Branch Location/Showroom Streicher's 4777 N. 124th Street Milwaukee, WI 53007 (800) 541-4164 Toll-Free Phone (262) 781-0444 24-Hour Fax I'm waiting for the Springfield XD ACP Tactical or Service model holsters to come out. I want one that will accept a weapon mounted light. Bucky |
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Thanks for the info. You "heard"? I'll being doing some tests on a car door, 2x4, etc. Wednesday As to why we chose the 5.7, well, long story, but it involves getting over the "size is everything" crowd, and getting with 21st century bullet performance. I believe ALL rounds will work when employed in thier respective capacity, and shot placement being equal. There was an incident approx. 2-3 weeks ago here in Baton Rouge where a BRPD officer made a traffic stop, it went downhill after the officer attempted to arrest the subject for trying to bribe him. The subject was much larger than the officer, and overpowered him. When the officer hit the ground, the subject got on top and proceeded to beat the officer in the face with his fists. A citizen with a valid CCL came over, told the man to stop, which he did not, and then shot the subject THREE times in the back with his CCW .45 acp. The subject continued his attack, and the citizen fired one more round to the subject's head, ending his attack. The officer just got out of the hospital with a broken jaw and other injuries. (I think you could find the article at www.theadvocate.com) See where I'm coming from with the whole caliber debate? Plus, We're getting AP ammo through the department. I love my job.(well, most of the time) |
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And the AP ammo won't overpenetrate??
I am sorry to disappoint you if you think one round from your FN would have solved the problem better than the citizen's .45. Criminals have been known to fight through injuries which will inevitably kill them. I wacthed a guy run with half a lung and his heart blwon to bits. He still ran 60'. And that was with a shotgun. With an oddball gun, good luck. Just wait til' you want to put a light on there....even further limitations for holster selection. |
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The FN 5.7 ballistics suck.
Re. your comment about the .45: Nothing is perfect but the .45 or other caliber will be MUCH better than a 5.7. The 5.7 was made for one thing, punching through armor. As far as AP ammo.....do you shoot a lot of bad guys wearing armor? Don't think you'll find too many duty holsters because no one takes the 5.7 seriously enough for a major manufacturer to produce a duty holster. I'd call Safariland and ask them. They might be able to help but I wouldn't get my hopes up. |
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+1 Billion. Holy shit. Those things are cluncky POS's, aside from being non-fragmenting ice pick shooters. Good luck! You'd be better off with AR pistols. |
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Are you actually a police officer? What agency is allowing this? |
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I can't believe a real LEO agency would even condider the FN as a duty weapon.
Whoever thought that one up should be put on meter maid duty. |
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I never said anything about the 5.7 "solving the problem better". I know what criminals can do, and have done in the past. |
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I didn't plan on carrying nothing but AP. I simply look at it as another option . . . . . . |
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Thanks for the link and info |
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What a comment . . . . Yes, I am. New Roads Police Dept., a plain ole street grunt. If you're a fellow officer somewhere, I'm sorry your agency doesn't trust you enough to allow you to make other choices of sidearms other than issue; as it has obviously scarred you . . . . . . |
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Thanks for the support from some of my fellow officers for possible holster options. Arfcomism has even struck the Brothers of the Shield side. My Corporal gets a new pistol to try out for awhile, my squad thinks of being a team so we all decide to get one if the tests are promising Wednesday, I come here to check holster options, and I get someone asking if I'm really a police officer, and other slams. Fuckin A' . . . . . . . |
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ok before anyone smashes on this post anymore they should go back and re-read the original post. He said his "squad", this does not necessarily mean the whole police department. He might be on a really well funded swat team that uses the FN P90 as an entry weapon for its small size and AP capability and they want a sidearm that takes the same caliber. Ive actually heard rumor that Houston is thinking about this. Anyhow i think that the 5.7 is and excellent idea and there are many more psychos out there today with body armor off of ebay for $200 than many of you think. There was a horrific court house shooting in Tyler texas a few months ago where a man was wearing body armor and wielding a AK-47. He killed a CCW holder and another cop and led them on a 45 minute chase before finally being caught. No conventional pistol round was capable of penetrating his vest and injuring him but a 5.7 would have and at least done more damage than a .45. I personally would consider carrying a 5.7 if one was offered to me but i think i would also shoot anyone i deployed it against like 20 times or whatever the magazine capacity is on those things. You would go to court for excessive use of force and try to explain that it was a 5.7 and the suspect didnt even realize he was hit until you were halfway through your second mag!
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There are no duty holsters, because no agency has been retarded enough (Dear God, I hope I'm right)to adopt them. This has nothing to do with ARFCOMISM, Gucci gear or any name you wanna call it, it's about protecting the public and officers, which the 5.7 does a shitty job of. There are some situations where it may excel (soft armored bad guys), but for DUTY USE, it is tEH SUXXOR. You might try 10-8 forums. |
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Yes some statements are full of "Arfcomism"; like yours that simply insult my agency and myself, but yet do not answer my simple request of 5.7 holster makers. I never asked anyones' opinion about 5.7 effectiveness. Damn. Thanks again for nothing . . . . . . . . . |
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So is this one person wanting to try out something new or is this a department switch? Also the lack of true duty holsters for this weapon should tell you something. They are not suitable for duty applications. |
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My Corporal wanted to try something new. After battling with comments here, and searching sites on my own elsewhere, I've started to see your last point. |
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No need to be an ass. Did you call Safariland like I suggested above? What research have you done about the terminal ballistics of the 5.7?
If your primary worry is penetrating body armor, you need a rifle. Like the AR!! Most cops involved in shootings don't shoot people wearing armor. That's why you need a rifle in the car. For those rare times you MIGHT run into a bad guy in armor. |
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ARmory04
I just wanted to let you konw that Duluth, Ga. P.D. as well as Lawrenceville, Ga. P.D. are both carrying the 5.7's as duty weapons. I am sure both agenceys would be more than happy to assist in holster info. Retired 335 |
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Guys, his town has less than 5K population and covers 4.5 square miles. The police dept apparently has 20 employees, 6 part time. It's the biggest employer in the town aside from the two elementary schools.
The nearest city is Baton Rouge. (26 miles) (citydata.com) I can't find crime stats for his city, but the whole parish has 22K residents. Consider this quote: As to why we chose the 5.7, well, long story, but it involves getting ovethe "size is everything" crowd, and getting with 21st century bullet performance Dude, this is a typical rookie thing. You've found a neat whiz-bang piece of equipment and are looking for justification to carry it. Therefore you believe the sales brochures. Think for a second, what advantages does this weapon give you? What are the downsides? (you've already found one, no one makes a duty holster for it) If you want anti-armor, all well and good, but this pistol isn't going to give it to you without some pretty serious tradoffs. Get an AR and gain a REAL jump in capability. |
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ARmory04
Well, sorry to have touched off the anti 5.7 comments. I believe the LEOs here are trying to stop you from making a mistake by going to the 5.7. Although some of the comments were harsh. Many LEOs do not like to sit by quietly and watch another LEO buy something that may not perform well. Perhaps someone here can explain further why the terminal ballistics of the 5.7 are not too good for normal patrol duty use. Armory04 if you go to the 5.7 pistol, is your department worried about the high cost of the ammo and availability cutting into the amount of live fire time? Also, does the 5.7 pistol take the same ammo as the FN PS90? If so, is your department going to buy the PS90 for a squad rifle to keep the ammuntion standardized? Just for the record I'm not a fan of the 5.7. I would try to explain the terminal ballistics but I would likely screw it up and will defer to someone more knowledgeable here. Right now I have an AR, 870 less lethal (super sock), taser, and am looking at the Sprinfield XD 45 as my new pistol. Right now I have a department 4506 . Bucky |
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From here |
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I have some links at home, I'll try and dig them out when I get off.
I remember the shootout you refer to. Only a headshot with a .45 worked. This incident proves the point that shot placement is more critical then caliber. It sounds like nothing would have stopped this guy but a solid hit in the brain box, and in that regard the 5.7 would probably have worked, but no better then the .45 that was used. I don't think anyone here was trying to slam you, or bash you. But there are quite a few officers here who will try to help you avoid a bad piece of gear. The 5.7 was highly touted when it first came out, and a lot of local agencies here looked at it. They opted to not adopt it for a variety of reasons. If you are dead set on it, I wish you luck. But be prepared, there may be some public relations backlash, especially with all the democraps waging war on the 5.7 right now. I'll find my links and get them to you later on. |
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i can understand interest in the 5.7 platform as i mentioned above but i also have to digress and agree with the person who posted above, i would much rather have a .40 or .45 on my hip and a big black tactical freaking AR in my car than just a 5.7 on my side. Does you department allow you to carry a rifle in your patrol vechicle or not, because that might affect my opinion on wether to carry a 5.7
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I would not trust my life to a 5.7 round and that pistol is a POS. Take one apart and look at all the springs... Way too many moving parts bc of the slide velocity. It is going to have parts breakage at low round count and it will have a short service life...velocity comes at a price.
Get a .40 and train. |
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