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Posted: 3/16/2006 2:08:03 PM EDT

Hi all!

Had something happen with my husband and I the other night and am curious how certain situations are usually handled by LEO's.

When a call(?) (not sure if it is a call or comes over a computer type thing) comes in through Dispatch and says Hit/Run Undercover Cop's car and then whatever about arrest of owner of vehicle. Plate number is given, etc., and address of owner.
How is this usually handled?
Do you check the background of the home and occupants first to see if there has been trouble before?
How many officers go to the house?
How are the people approached that live there?

Thanks guys and gals!
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 2:15:56 PM EDT

Oops...one more thing/question.
Has it ever happened that whoever is calling in the bulletin or whatever it is, make it more than it was? Or the dispatch person themself?
Forgot to ask that

Thanks again
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 2:44:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2006 2:48:43 PM EDT by highdraglowspeed]
Depends on call load and other things. Typically the dispatch goes out to all channels on a hit and run around here. FYI hit and runs typically are a result of some other reason than just "I didn't want to deal with it. Could be stolen car, drunk driver, suspended or revoked driver, or someone who just committed a myriad of other crimes. A couple of officers are usually dispatched.

Example from last night. Car hits house driver flees. Myself and an other officer were just finishing up an unrelated call nearby. We went to the scene and checked out there. I think a total of 6 units showed up. Slow night.

As far as knowing background on your address and or plate, the only time we (my area) know anything is if it is flagged with a caution code. ie will fight you or mental, or if 911 gets a hangup the owner uses a walker and falls and can't get to the door. etc.

If a crime has been committed or they are investigating then the officers will control the movement of the people and interatcion. Done for officer safety etc.

I read the dicussion in GD. Sounds like you were having bad day. I hope it gets better for you. If you bumped a vehicle and didn't know it. Traded a little paint. Well it could happen. I'd just say that you'll probably be alright.

I'm sorry that you feel like the response may have been a little more than neccessary. A couple of officers might also have seemed like a huge response as well. Good people seemed to be more "traumatized" by any police interation. A simple, what we call "routine" traffic stop can seem like the end of the world to some. You've got insurance and that's what it's for. So don't loose too much sleep over this.

I hope this helps.

Best wishes to you.

Edit: Just read your next question. My answer is this. Things get lost or added in translation and from person to person. Remember the childhood game where you told someone something and they passed it along. People add and take away based on their perception etc.
(also why we seperate witnesses, everyone has a different perception. It's our job to help put the puzzle together)



Link Posted: 3/16/2006 2:57:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2006 3:00:44 PM EDT by SmittysWife59]
I was sitting here thinking if I was an LEO I would be wondering why these questions and if the writer of this post is an LEO hater , and looking to cause trouble, etc.

So....I will tell you the story, and then if you would please, let me know and understand if it was handled properly or not.

My husband and I are 46 yrs old, white, upper middle class.
We have NEVER had any trouble with the police, tickets, naddah. Nor have our children.
I am also friends with some of the LEOs in our town. I meet one at a local restaurant/pub to chat when he gets off work. We have known each other for 23 years. I love this man dearly.

Saturday night (3-11-06) my husband had met me at our town's bowling alley to bowl and have beers with some friends. I had him meet me there after bowling in another town that day in a tournament.
We left at 12:45 a.m to come home. As we pulled into our driveway 5 squad cars came flying out and officers were running and screaming at him and I to get out of our vehicles, and I mean they were SCREAMING. (at this point I am terrified, and that is an understatement)
One officer was leading my husband away (not by force) and I was standing outside of my truck. I own a Ford F-250.
This one officer with me is still quite loud asking me if this truck belonged to us and I said yes. I asked what was going on and he yelled at me to calm down.
Okay...he is the one yelling,, that doesn't help to calm me down. I wasn't angry nor yelling I just wanted to know in a very scared voice what was going on.
I was then told that my truck was involved with a hit and run of an undercover cop's car.
(I am keeping out a lot of other things that aren't as important to keep this long story short)
I told him that never happened in my lifetime. I would never leave a scene of an accident.. He told me that they got the call to arrest whoever was driving the truck. I told him right then and there that I was the only person who had that truck all day and nothing of the sort happened.
I then asked him to please get a hold of (my cop friend's name) for he knows me and how I am. He cut me off with a "Sure, whatever"
I then asked what time this accident happened and he said 9 pm. I told him that there is no way it could have since I was at the bowling alley at 7:30 and had 30 witnesses.
He then said I had smashed into this officer's car, ran him off the road and took off.
I replied, "Then shouldn't there be damage somewhere on my truck?" hock.gif
LONG story short, they ended up calling the other county that this supposedly happened in, and after 10 minutes of waiting, the supervisor asked me if I had been at a restaurant that night. I said I sure had. He said "Oh, ok, well I guess you had backed into an undercover cop's car who was inside at the time eating. A witness saw it and gave your plate number. "
They then said that this county's officer was going to come out and issue me tickets. I was freaking a bit since I had NO recollection of hitting any car. (Surreal feeling) I was also stone cold sober, just to let you know.
The supervisor told me not to worry that I wasn't going to be arrested. (How did that change?)
Within the past 3 days, to make another very long story short, this other county came out, picked up the tickets that were issued to me, apologized and said all has been dropped. Okaaaay.
The other county were very nice officers, and made me ashamed of the ones in my town and how they handled themselves that night with me. Well, to be straight up, it was mainly the one cop who was quite creepy. However, my husband who is a very nice man and respectful all the time was also placed in back of the squad and they wouldn't let him out for 20 minutes! I told them I was the only one driving the truck it is mine. ?What was up with that?hinking.gif

This is where I am confused. The other county said all they had reported was Hit/Run Undercover Cop car. Soooo, where did the "You smashed into a cop running him off the road, etc" come in?

That is why I asked the previous questions.
Thanks
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 3:15:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2006 3:18:34 PM EDT by SmittysWife59]
[quote]Originally Posted By highdraglowspeed:


I'm sorry that you feel like the response may have been a little more than neccessary. A couple of officers might also have seemed like a huge response as well. Good people seemed to be more "traumatized" by any police interation. A simple, what we call "routine" traffic stop can seem like the end of the world to some. You've got insurance and that's what it's for. So don't loose too much sleep over this.



You're a sweetie, thanks. Absolutely right about feeling "traumatized"
Contrary to general consensus in the General forum, I am not out to sue anyone, not that type. Plus, I personally don't believe that there is a lawsuit anyway.
However, I have been going back and forth about whether to talk to the P.D department about this and how I think it could have been handled better. That is, if it was handled wrong. That is why I want to ask LEO's and not the general public. I have had 2 officers tell me (One I am friends with and was pretty ticked how I was treated) to do a complaint.
Right now I am thinking of having my friend that I meet bring this guy with him so I can talk to him about that night at the restaurant. I'd rather hold him accountable face to face with a fellow officer/friend there at the time.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. I am also going to be talking to my friend tomorrow night.


Link Posted: 3/16/2006 5:07:16 PM EDT
He then said I had smashed into this officer's car, ran him off the road and took off.

The above quoted from your post.

Like I said before things get lost in the translation. Sometimes different jurisdictions have to help each other out. And the messages get messed up. Based on the above quote I would say that the response was warranted.

I've made similar calls where someone takes off after hitting John Q publics car. I grab the suspect, seperate the other passengers etc.

I'm color blind so race doesn't mean jack to me. I don't care if you are rich or poor. I've met a middle class piliar of the community type who happened to be a serial killer.

Now the supervisor did apologize to you. That's a big plus. Things were investigated and the truth finally came out.

I had a lady tell me that some guy was crazy and threatening her and had a key to her place. She said he didn't live there. She was emphatic about that. Myself and another officer made contact with the guy at the door. He was trying to go in. We told him to hang on and talk to us. He decided to fight. All three of us got hurt.

Then I find out that she was as you might suspect, less than truthful. Well here we are with a mental off meds, and two battered officers. All because of an earlier argument that wasn't even a criminal act.

My point is this: Things aren't always what you think they are. Sometimes you have to go with information given to you. You act in good faith and it usually works out ok.



Link Posted: 3/16/2006 5:13:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SmittysWife59:
[quote]Originally Posted By highdraglowspeed:


I'm sorry that you feel like the response may have been a little more than neccessary. A couple of officers might also have seemed like a huge response as well. Good people seemed to be more "traumatized" by any police interation. A simple, what we call "routine" traffic stop can seem like the end of the world to some. You've got insurance and that's what it's for. So don't loose too much sleep over this.



You're a sweetie, thanks. Absolutely right about feeling "traumatized"
Contrary to general consensus in the General forum, I am not out to sue anyone, not that type. Plus, I personally don't believe that there is a lawsuit anyway.
However, I have been going back and forth about whether to talk to the P.D department about this and how I think it could have been handled better. That is, if it was handled wrong. That is why I want to ask LEO's and not the general public. I have had 2 officers tell me (One I am friends with and was pretty ticked how I was treated) to do a complaint.
Right now I am thinking of having my friend that I meet bring this guy with him so I can talk to him about that night at the restaurant. I'd rather hold him accountable face to face with a fellow officer/friend there at the time.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. I am also going to be talking to my friend tomorrow night.





It is your right as a citizen to file a complaint if you feel things were handled improperly. Given the lack of communication that normally comes with multi-jurisdictional cases(I'm a communications guy, I know just how little really goes on), I can't say whether the cops were wrong in their attitude or not. It's very likely they went out with nothing more than "hit and ran on a patrol vehicle" and later on found out the true story. Happens to us all the time. Is that an excuse for being exceptionally rude? I don't think so.

As far as your comment to "call so-and-so" because they know you, it really doesn't matter. They don't care. The courts need character witnesses, cops need facts. If your character witness wasn't with you to say it did not happen, then it matters not. People can know you your entire life, but they still won't know exactly what you are going to do when the poopie flies.

Let us know how things turn out for you.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 5:41:36 PM EDT
Do you really think you need to file a complaint?

Put yourself in the responding officer's frame of mind: All they know is what the radio tells them.
Probably something like "Detain driver of hit and run vehicle vs. undercover police car."

It sucks that they didn't have the entire story before contacting you, but that seldom is the case when working in the field. If it were my agency and another closeby, the info would have had to go through 4 or 5 people (undercover cop - his dispatcher - my calltaker - my dispatcher - me).

I guess it irks me that your LEO friends would tell you to file a complaint if, given the same circs, they would be wise in handling the matter the same way.

Link Posted: 3/16/2006 6:21:27 PM EDT
Is this an episode of Keystone Cops? Yeah, sounds like things were handled with nothing but ineptness. Sorry guys being a LEO does not mean you are infallable. But you are also responsible for your actions. There is nothing wrong with her filing a complaint. Or are the police immune from scrutiny? An intelligent LEO would have taken the information he had received arrived on the scene and quickly found things are amiss when the suspect vehicle has absolutely no damage. That would have required some independent thought though.

Sorry, not LEO hating. Just aghast at the lack of intelligence and deduction used in the encounter.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 6:49:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mef223:
Do you really think you need to file a complaint?

Put yourself in the responding officer's frame of mind: All they know is what the radio tells them.
Probably something like "Detain driver of hit and run vehicle vs. undercover police car."

It sucks that they didn't have the entire story before contacting you, but that seldom is the case when working in the field. If it were my agency and another closeby, the info would have had to go through 4 or 5 people (undercover cop - his dispatcher - my calltaker - my dispatcher - me).

I guess it irks me that your LEO friends would tell you to file a complaint if, given the same circs, they would be wise in handling the matter the same way.




In my story I said that I left a lot of things out due to making a very long story short.
The one officer was way out of line with how he talked to me, I just didn't type in this post all the things he had said.
Total story and the truth are two different things. Running an undercover cop in his car off the road verses hit/run undercover cop's vehicle is not the same.
Truth/facts were, someone said while backing out of a parking lot I clipped his car.
Where this officer came up with the smashing into him running him off the road, the other county said that story never was dispatched for why would it?
If you re-read my post, I said I would prefer NOT going and filing a complaint. I would rather talk to him face to face. Person - Person.
Of all the officers that came that night, the supervisor was totally professional, the other 3 were nice, it was only him.
The supervisor also had said that they had gotten a call about hit/run of ... never said what this guy did.
It bothers me that something got that blown out of proportion. I can't help but wonder if the same situation would have happened if it had been a civilan's car I had supposedly clipped?
Anyway, I didn't post my questions to get in a debate. I just wanted to know how things are generally handled when it comes to this so I could understand better.

As far as your comment to "call so-and-so" because they know you, it really doesn't matter. They don't care. The courts need character witnesses, cops need facts

I totally understand that. At the time I was saying this to him I wasn't thinking too clearly. I thought my friend was on duty at the time and asked to call him.
It is a very frightening experience for someone who has never had any trouble with the law to all of the sudden be surrounded and being accused of something they knew they hadn't done.
I think I had the right to ask what in the world was going on, don't you?

I'm color blind so race doesn't mean jack to me. I don't care if you are rich or poor. I've met a middle class piliar of the community type who happened to be a serial killer.

Nice to hear that. Problem is, and I know this for a fact for I have heard it from the horses mouths, they are not color blind here.


Anyway, I was and am concerned with how the one officer was. Why he said to me something that had not come over the radio (according to the other county) and why my husband who was totally polite, cooperative, and both of us saying I was the only one driving the truck, was put in the back of a squad for 20 minutes and when he asked if he could please get out was told no.

As I said, I think all of this could have been handled in a more professional manner. We were pulling into our driveway for crying out loud, not avoiding police. They sat down our street for 3 hours waiting for us to come home. They could have come up and asked us the questions, checked out the truck, called the other county, without all the drama, no matter what they may or may not have been told. I keep saying THEY but it really was just the one guy.
Last night I was at my bowling league and was telling my friends what had happened. What bothered me even more was 3 of them said in unison that they knew which cop over reacted and then said his name. A fellow officer of his even said he is a really aggressive cop.
I would like to talk to him when he isn't in uniform.
Anyway, thank to the officers here who explained how things happen. I appreciate it.

Link Posted: 3/16/2006 6:51:17 PM EDT
OOPS..that was me who had replied above. Didn't realize my hubby had been logged in
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 7:35:54 PM EDT
If you have a problem with a particular cop or his attitude, you have at least 2 options: 1. Speak with his immediate supervisor. Let him/her know that this guys people skills absolutely suck. This approach is more likely to get him a "counseling session" or a talking to at the end of his shift. 2. Speak to command staff. You can call and ask to speak to she sheriff or undersheriff. Most that I'm aware of are willing to either speak to a citizen or at least return a phone call. Let the boss know that he was very harsh. Maybe he should ride a desk for a little while to learn that he needs to play nice with the people who make his livelihood possible, if there is no need for the attitude.

You certainly have the right to ask what is going on, but remember, most of the time, on a scene, cops are more interested in gathering the story, not explaining to you. That can come later.

Do I think it was right to put your husband in a patrol car? From the sound of things, it was probably a good idea. What would he have done if they actually had reason to arrest you, and had done so? From the way he speaks, it sounds like he would have taken the ride with you, for Battery of LEO or something similar, but then, everybody tends to sound meaner on the internet. Again, if you have a problem with it, bring it up to the sergeant, see what the explanation is.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 7:38:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2006 7:50:12 PM EDT by GackMan]
this what you are talking about? ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=445878

Since it was a multi-jurisdictional thing, I'd bet all the dispatch center got was "hit and run on a police officer. vehicle registered to XXX address." Not a lengthy explanation "hit an run on a stopped , un occupied vehicle at low speed in a parking lot. driver looked like a nice person with no record who pays their taxes and goes to church."

So if a cop hears, "hit and run on a police vehicle" I don't think it is un-reasonable to think of a scenario of a person hitting a cop on the road and taking off.

If a cop is thinking that the suspect they are going to contact would pull that kind of stuff, then it isn't unreasonable for the police to take extra precaution.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 7:39:41 PM EDT
I am a leo in so-cali. I read through this several times and with that in mind I will say this. There are jerks and problem people in every profession. Being in so-cali, we are scrutinized more than most. Usually things are blown way out of proportion because the media or the liberals here want to make a bigger deal out of it than it is. However, there are times when I wish a certain officer would get a complaint or something because he is a jerk to everyone including us. I know of a particular officer that no one at my station likes but he kisses ass very well so nothing ever happens to him.

With the above in mind, if I were faced with the situation above, before I made a complaint on a good officer and hurt someone who is doing good in the community, I would get some intel or information on this cop by whatever means I could. Have a chat with your friend. Talk to other people who may have come in contact with him. After that, call the W/C or whoever the supervisor was that you mentioned. and chat with him. Get a feel for what he has to say and then with all of this in mind if you still feel like putting in a complaint then do it. Chances are if he was a jerk to you, he is not well liked and the supervisor might clue you in to that. If he is a good cop that either got bad info or overreacted, you will get a feeling for this. I hate to see a complaint on a good officer doing a good job but even worse is letting a bad officer go on doing what he has been doing and dragging the rest of us down because of his stupidity. I hate citizen complaints but I hate bad/dirty cops even worse.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 7:43:19 PM EDT

Do I think it was right to put your husband in a patrol car? From the sound of things, it was probably a good idea. What would he have done if they actually had reason to arrest you, and had done so? From the way he speaks, it sounds like he would have taken the ride with you, for Battery of LEO or something similar, but then, everybody tends to sound meaner on the internet. Again, if you have a problem with it, bring it up to the sergeant, see what the explanation is.


Eeeek! I don't know what posts he has stated things that he sounds mean, he is at a loss right now as well as me.
Anyway, no, my husband would not have reacted in a violent fashion, that is for sure. He was nicer than I was.
I should have been the one in the squad since I admitted I had the truck all day, not him
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 7:53:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SmittysWife59:
Eeeek! I don't know what posts he has stated things that he sounds mean, he is at a loss right now as well as me.
Anyway, no, my husband would not have reacted in a violent fashion, that is for sure. He was nicer than I was.
I should have been the one in the squad since I admitted I had the truck all day, not him



Yeah - but remember, they don't know him or you or any of that. The cops have to do kind of lowest common denominator policing... detaining people, separating them, etc. is pretty standard until they get all the details sorted out. It is for everyone's safety, don't take it personally.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 8:08:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2006 8:10:10 PM EDT by SmittysWife59]

Yeah - but remember, they don't know him or you or any of that. The cops have to do kind of lowest common denominator policing... detaining people, separating them, etc. is pretty standard until they get all the details sorted out. It is for everyone's safety, don't take it personally.


Point taken. That is why I am asking how things are handled and all. My husband at the time thought they were probably being smart with putting him in the back not knowing him. (He didn't mean that he would have done anything, he just understood why they were probably being careful)
However, once he saw that we were all now chatting nicely, I was drinking water and having a smoke, he asked if he could please get out and was denied.
That is where we got confused
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 8:15:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2006 8:17:43 PM EDT by SmittysWife59]
One funny story with that night. My husband while in the back of the squad saw that our 18 year old son was home and was still awake due to the light being on in his room. So he called him on the cell phone.
Our son answered saying "Hey dad, what are you and mom dooooing?
He said "Not much just sitting in the back of a squad car"
Our son said "Yeah right, really, what are you guys doing?"
He told him to look out of his bedroom window
With that our son screamed, said a swear word and ran outside.
Of course, my darling son came out saying "Oh good Mom, what did you do?"

Thatta boy!
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 8:15:59 PM EDT
Once things were under control and the local cops were "chatting" with you, all they were waiting for was the originating jurisditction to come back and say what they wanted done with your husband. They didn't let him out because they didn't want to let the "suspect" out of the car where he was under control. One of my partners detained a guy in his back seat with no handcuffs on until he found out he was a parolee at large. He opened the door to handcuff him and the suspect and the fight was on. He ended up breaking his hand over this fight. We would rather not let someone out and have to put them back in later.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 8:21:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2006 8:24:00 PM EDT by SmittysWife59]

Originally Posted By bullfrogskier7:
Once things were under control and the local cops were "chatting" with you, all they were waiting for was the originating jurisditction to come back and say what they wanted done with your husband. They didn't let him out because they didn't want to let the "suspect" out of the car where he was under control. One of my partners detained a guy in his back seat with no handcuffs on until he found out he was a parolee at large. He opened the door to handcuff him and the suspect and the fight was on. He ended up breaking his hand over this fight. We would rather not let someone out and have to put them back in later.



Okay, that makes total sense. Feeling lots better on that one, thanks,
However I had stated, and my husband as well when separated from me, that it was my truck and I had it all day. BUT then again thinking about it, I am sure there are those weirdo women that will lie for their husband too.

Hate to be you guys to be honest. Too many freaks out there...
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 8:25:55 PM EDT
did you read the comments a couple above this one about complaints?
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 8:29:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2006 8:30:23 PM EDT by SmittysWife59]

Originally Posted By GackMan:
this what you are talking about? ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=445878

Since it was a multi-jurisdictional thing, I'd bet all the dispatch center got was "hit and run on a police officer. vehicle registered to XXX address." Not a lengthy explanation "hit an run on a stopped , un occupied vehicle at low speed in a parking lot. driver looked like a nice person with no record who pays their taxes and goes to church."

So if a cop hears, "hit and run on a police vehicle" I don't think it is un-reasonable to think of a scenario of a person hitting a cop on the road and taking off.

If a cop is thinking that the suspect they are going to contact would pull that kind of stuff, then it isn't unreasonable for the police to take extra precaution.



Oops, misssed this post somehow. Yes this is it.
HA but I am a nice law abiding tax paying person who goes to church! Okay ...going to run, my friend is off work now and I want to go chat with him. Have a good night all
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 8:49:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2006 8:54:45 PM EDT by 1IV]
Sounds like some 5*0 " Pimpin imprtante " Suber UNdrCvr officer did not like his "Ride " gettin bruised.

YES.... he over blew it. He wanted your ass for bumpin his ride. Hell, if he had met you in the lot you would have been in a near fist fight trying to deal with him.

Bad cop? Naaa.. just a ego with a gun. I have to say that there ar alot of people who do not fit the personality we all agree is ideal for a police ocifer. He got on his radio / cell phone and blew it up hopeing his county was gonna be the one to handle it. In house he could have tortured you with the system. He would have locked you up for a day, and "Taught you a lesson." Then the charged would have been declined and you would of walked.

That UC cop you rubbed bumpers with was going to abuse you with the system. He was arrogant, and Mad, and it got alot bigger than he wanted it to before he could stop it. He is a hot head. He wanted your ass, and he was willing to abuse his authority to do it.

File a written complaint to your police chief. and editor of your news paper. But that is all it will be .... a complaint. The Ucop got the ass chewing of his life, and you got lucky because you evaded the cops for several hours. Long enough for details to surface. Three or four more hours, and the search would have been called off, and none of this would have happened.

Sory it did.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 8:58:21 PM EDT
Be glad you are a law abiding peson. Can you imagine the three days in jail a joint or a knife in your car would have gotten you. God forbid if you had a concealed weapon licence, and the paperwork hassle the charges would have caused with that. I think this is a good example of how to handle a stop right. You did good. You respected and talked the LEO off his soap box, and did not react to his gruff treatment.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 9:18:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bullfrogskier7:
I am a leo in so-cali. ......With the above in mind, if I were faced with the situation above, before I made a complaint on a good officer and hurt someone who is doing good in the community, I would get some intel or information on this cop by whatever means I could. Have a chat with your friend. Talk to other people who may have come in contact with him....................



If a citizen has a question about how a cop handled a call or wants to file a complaint, do you really suggest that they do their own "intel" on the officer? Just imagine if the officer finds out a citizen is snooping into their work history/personal life or Internal Affairs finds out the same thing. It won't help her situation but sure can make it worse.

If she or her husband wish to file a complaint with Command/Admin/Internal Affairs (whatever they call it there) or if they wish to speak to a patrol supervisor, then go for it. If he is a good officer and the incident was handled correctly, what does he have to fear? If he is a good officer but handled it poorly, then his supervisors need to know that also. They may get him some help needed so that he stays a good officer. Covering up a mistake does no one any good.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 9:37:21 PM EDT
No where did I suggest she look into the officer's work file. I simly said that maybe before she filed a complaint, find out from her friend the cop or from others in the community if this is a bad cop or not. My next statement was to speak with the supervisor or watch commander. My biggest point is that she was considering wether or not to file a complaint. I suggested that if it were me I would do my intel before filing a complaint. You're right but wrong in stating that if the incident was handled correctly what does he have to fear. No matter if the incident is handled correctly or not, that complaint stays in his file. He will always have that incident come up during his career during promotions, other disciplines or other reasons even if it was completely correct. I also stated that I don't like bad or dirty cops and would in no way agree with covering up a mistake. I also said that is the way I would handle it. She can handle it however she wants. My thoughts are if they are a bad cop then they deserve it. If they are a good cop, maybe a little research wouldn't be such a bad thing before we drag him into a IA or logged complaint that stays in his file for life.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 10:41:27 PM EDT
Smitty/SmittysWife

You might want to check if the local agency offers a citizens academy. they are usually 40 hrs +/- and you get exposure to all kinds of cop stuff ;)

Link Posted: 3/16/2006 11:27:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1IV:
Sounds like some 5*0 " Pimpin imprtante " Suber UNdrCvr officer did not like his "Ride " gettin bruised.

YES.... he over blew it. He wanted your ass for bumpin his ride. Hell, if he had met you in the lot you would have been in a near fist fight trying to deal with him.

Bad cop? Naaa.. just a ego with a gun. I have to say that there ar alot of people who do not fit the personality we all agree is ideal for a police ocifer. He got on his radio / cell phone and blew it up hopeing his county was gonna be the one to handle it. In house he could have tortured you with the system. He would have locked you up for a day, and "Taught you a lesson." Then the charged would have been declined and you would of walked.

That UC cop you rubbed bumpers with was going to abuse you with the system. He was arrogant, and Mad, and it got alot bigger than he wanted it to before he could stop it. He is a hot head. He wanted your ass, and he was willing to abuse his authority to do it.

File a written complaint to your police chief. and editor of your news paper. But that is all it will be .... a complaint. The Ucop got the ass chewing of his life, and you got lucky because you evaded the cops for several hours. Long enough for details to surface. Three or four more hours, and the search would have been called off, and none of this would have happened.

Sory it did.




Wow. You ARE cracked out. I have yet to see ANY cop get pissed over rubbing fenders on his patrol car, it's not like it's HIS car, it's just wheels to spin until he gets another one.

Got news for you man, they don't give a shit about those cars.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 4:59:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/17/2006 5:32:23 AM EDT by SmittysWife59]

Originally Posted By 1IV:
Sounds like some 5*0 " Pimpin imprtante " Suber UNdrCvr officer did not like his "Ride " gettin bruised.

YES.... he over blew it. He wanted your ass for bumpin his ride. Hell, if he had met you in the lot you would have been in a near fist fight trying to deal with him.

Bad cop? Naaa.. just a ego with a gun. I have to say that there ar alot of people who do not fit the personality we all agree is ideal for a police ocifer. He got on his radio / cell phone and blew it up hopeing his county was gonna be the one to handle it. In house he could have tortured you with the system. He would have locked you up for a day, and "Taught you a lesson." Then the charged would have been declined and you would of walked.

That UC cop you rubbed bumpers with was going to abuse you with the system. He was arrogant, and Mad, and it got alot bigger than he wanted it to before he could stop it. He is a hot head. He wanted your ass, and he was willing to abuse his authority to do it.

File a written complaint to your police chief. and editor of your news paper. But that is all it will be .... a complaint. The Ucop got the ass chewing of his life, and you got lucky because you evaded the cops for several hours. Long enough for details to surface. Three or four more hours, and the search would have been called off, and none of this would have happened.

Sory it did.




Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:

Wow. You ARE cracked out. I have yet to see ANY cop get pissed over rubbing fenders on his patrol car, it's not like it's HIS car, it's just wheels to spin until he gets another one.

Got news for you man, they don't give a shit about those cars.



Okay, I have to agree totally with Vanilla here. Where in the heck did THAT come from??
Did you even really read through my posts?
What I didn't say was the undercover was a female. She doesn't do the call to my town. Also it was supposedly (<---not saying that this was a lie!) a witness who took my plate number and went into the restaurant to tell the manager I backed up in to a car.
No conspiracy theory there. The officer who had taken the report at the scene also was the one out to my house later that night to issue the tickets, and he was an extremely nice officer.
However, again, the undercover officer doesn't do the call to my town, and I know that this officer didn't lie. He was going by what he was told.
Gee whiz!
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 5:05:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By GackMan:
Smitty/SmittysWife

You might want to check if the local agency offers a citizens academy. they are usually 40 hrs +/- and you get exposure to all kinds of cop stuff ;)




Let me tell you, I have heard stories that made my hair stand up on end or my jaw drop from my friends who work with this P.D.
No thanks, I'll pass!
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 5:18:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/17/2006 6:42:25 AM EDT by SmittysWife59]

Originally Posted By bullfrogskier7:
No where did I suggest she look into the officer's work file. I simly said that maybe before she filed a complaint, find out from her friend the cop or from others in the community if this is a bad cop or not. My next statement was to speak with the supervisor or watch commander. My biggest point is that she was considering wether or not to file a complaint. I suggested that if it were me I would do my intel before filing a complaint. You're right but wrong in stating that if the incident was handled correctly what does he have to fear. No matter if the incident is handled correctly or not, that complaint stays in his file. He will always have that incident come up during his career during promotions, other disciplines or other reasons even if it was completely correct. I also stated that I don't like bad or dirty cops and would in no way agree with covering up a mistake. I also said that is the way I would handle it. She can handle it however she wants. My thoughts are if they are a bad cop then they deserve it. If they are a good cop, maybe a little research wouldn't be such a bad thing before we drag him into a IA or logged complaint that stays in his file for life.



TVC, I understood what he meant with what he posted. I can also understand why you probably thought what you had.
For whatever reason my friend was off work last night. So, I am going to call him today and see if we can meet for lunch or something.
If this guy (I call him robocop) is over the top alot, he'll tell me. He will also advise me on what to do.
At first I was just going to go in and make a complaint, however, since I am friends with his co-workers, I want them to advise me first. I respect their advice/opinions, and if they believe I need to do a complaint, they will tell me to do so. If they don't, I won't.
Personally, I want to meet this guy face to face without his uniform on and find out why things were handled like they were.
He had emphasized that night that I hit a cop's car. In reality though, if it was an unmarked car, and let's say I had in fact hit him, how in the world would I had known who it had belonged to??
He was reacting due to it belonging to an officer, period. He also was the only one over reacting out of 5 officers. Everyone else was pretty calm and in control. If he had not been there this night, this conversation wouldn't be happening.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 6:20:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/17/2006 6:45:25 AM EDT by SmittysWife59]
Also, a genuine "I'm sorry" works wonders with me
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 7:13:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SmittysWife59:

Originally Posted By bullfrogskier7:
No where did I suggest she look into the officer's work file. I simly said that maybe before she filed a complaint, find out from her friend the cop or from others in the community if this is a bad cop or not. My next statement was to speak with the supervisor or watch commander. My biggest point is that she was considering wether or not to file a complaint. I suggested that if it were me I would do my intel before filing a complaint. You're right but wrong in stating that if the incident was handled correctly what does he have to fear. No matter if the incident is handled correctly or not, that complaint stays in his file. He will always have that incident come up during his career during promotions, other disciplines or other reasons even if it was completely correct. I also stated that I don't like bad or dirty cops and would in no way agree with covering up a mistake. I also said that is the way I would handle it. She can handle it however she wants. My thoughts are if they are a bad cop then they deserve it. If they are a good cop, maybe a little research wouldn't be such a bad thing before we drag him into a IA or logged complaint that stays in his file for life.



TVC, I understood what he meant with what he posted. I can also understand why you probably thought what you had.
For whatever reason my friend was off work last night. So, I am going to call him today and see if we can meet for lunch or something.
If this guy (I call him robocop) is over the top alot, he'll tell me. He will also advise me on what to do.
At first I was just going to go in and make a complaint, however, since I am friends with his co-workers, I want them to advise me first. I respect their advice/opinions, and if they believe I need to do a complaint, they will tell me to do so. If they don't, I won't.
Personally, I want to meet this guy face to face without his uniform on and find out why things were handled like they were.
He had emphasized that night that I hit a cop's car. In reality though, if it was an unmarked car, and let's say I had in fact hit him, how in the world would I had known who it had belonged to??
He was reacting due to it belonging to an officer, period. He also was the only one over reacting out of 5 officers. Everyone else was pretty calm and in control. If he had not been there this night, this conversation wouldn't be happening.


Sounds like a great way to uncover a UC in your city.........
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 7:53:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By wise_jake:
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Sounds like a great way to uncover a UC in your city......... hr


I believe so. Also, who knows? Maybe the supervisor who was there that night had chastised him for how he acted. If he had talked with him afterwards, I 'll probably be told.
Also, the other cop I have already talked to who was ticked with how he was, may have said something already. Don't know
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 8:06:59 AM EDT
Why have you not laywered up yet is my question? You could proably retire at 46 yrs old after the lawyer gets ahold of the tapes from 911 dispatch.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 8:18:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ZW17:
Why have you not laywered up yet is my question? You could proably retire at 46 yrs old after the lawyer gets ahold of the tapes from 911 dispatch.



If this officer had touched me in any way, I sure would be doing just that. I just want him to realize how he affects people with his approach.
To the fellow officers here. Granted, you were not at my house that night, but I was not yelling, jumping up or down, etc., when he was screaming at me to "CALM DOWN!"
Hopefully, most of you realize that screaming at a civilan to calm down doesn't really help them to relax. Also, and the lawsuit would be what exactly? Cop was rude I was scared for about 20 minutes? Pay up?
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 8:27:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bullfrogskier7:
No where did I suggest she look into the officer's work file.


Nor did I. Not sure where you got that from.


I simly said that maybe before she filed a complaint, find out from her friend the cop or from others in the community if this is a bad cop or not.


Good cop or bad cop, what is the difference? I think it is silly and unreasonable for a citizen to worry about what a cop's work history is before they file a complaint. You file a complaint because of what happened to you, not due to his work history. If the cop did nothing wrong then he has no problem.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 8:31:40 AM EDT


Originally Posted By ZW17:
Why have you not laywered up yet is my question? You could proably retire at 46 yrs old after the lawyer gets ahold of the tapes from 911 dispatch.



We also have a very nice income, and our kids have had it pretty nice.
Any more money would be excess and then they'll never move out.....hinking.gif
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 8:33:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SmittysWife59:
If this officer had touched me in any way, I sure would be doing just that. I just want him to realize how he affects people with his approach.
To the fellow officers here. Granted, you were not at my house that night, but I was not yelling, jumping up or down, etc., when he was screaming at me to "CALM DOWN!"
Hopefully, most of you realize that screaming at a civilan to calm down doesn't really help them to relax.

Also, and the lawsuit would be what exactly? Cop was rude I was scared for about 20 minutes? Pay up?



Sounds like the deputy that recently shot the guy after losing control of his temper and telling the Airman to get up. But hey, maybe he is a good cop who just lost his temper.........
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:22:10 AM EDT
Anyone who smashes my unmarked car can expect a a smile and a handshake! It might actually be an impovement on my car, or better yet I might get a different car!, but seriously, I may have missed it in the thred but what actually happened to the guys car?Or did anything even happen at all?I think you have every right to be upset, a jerk is a jerk, no matter how his mom dresses him in the morning. I think we all have to work with people like this, in whatever job we do. I think being friendly is the best way to handle things,unless you are facing aggression of course, you always catch more flies with honey right?
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:25:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CRNUMBER:
Anyone who smashes my unmarked car can expect a a smile and a handshake! It might actually be an impovement on my car, or better yet I might get a different car!, but seriously, I may have missed it in the thred but what actually happened to the guys car?Or did anything even happen at all?I think you have every right to be upset, a jerk is a jerk, no matter how his mom dresses him in the morning. I think we all have to work with people like this, in whatever job we do. I think being friendly is the best way to handle things,unless you are facing aggression of course, you always catch more flies with honey right?



Amen with the honey! Well, from what I was told, it was a 2004 mustang. The dent was about the size of a baseball.
I don't know how the undercover cop felt, she was from a different county. The cop that was a weeeee bit over the top was from my county and had come to my house with 4 other officers.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:46:27 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:54:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SmittysWife59:

Originally Posted By bullfrogskier7:
Once things were under control and the local cops were "chatting" with you, all they were waiting for was the originating jurisditction to come back and say what they wanted done with your husband. They didn't let him out because they didn't want to let the "suspect" out of the car where he was under control. One of my partners detained a guy in his back seat with no handcuffs on until he found out he was a parolee at large. He opened the door to handcuff him and the suspect and the fight was on. He ended up breaking his hand over this fight. We would rather not let someone out and have to put them back in later.



Okay, that makes total sense. Feeling lots better on that one, thanks,
However I had stated, and my husband as well when separated from me, that it was my truck and I had it all day. BUT then again thinking about it, I am sure there are those weirdo women that will lie for their husband too.

Hate to be you guys to be honest. Too many freaks out there...



We arrested a guy last night after he wrecked driving DWI. His girlfriend lied to us saying she was driving, but it was obvious (through the investigation) he was driving. So, although it was proven in the end that you had the truck, as stated above, separate (investigative detention) you guys until the other agency responds was a good idea. It does sound like the "intel" to the call was a bit "lacking" though. I am glad it worked out ok, and I commend you for coming here and asking to gain knowledge into our profession rather than bashing to gain negative support. Good job.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:58:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/17/2006 10:01:56 AM EDT by SmittysWife59]

Originally Posted By NorCal_LEO:


Holy cow, a voice of reason in our litigious society? SmittysWife, you would never fit in in CA... if someone looks at you, you are required to sue. hope
NorCal



BOTS?
Anyway, that was sweet of you to say.
I think the only reason why the one night seemed traumatic is because I have never had any negative dealings with an officer. Heck, the closest I have ever been with court is in my living room watching Court T.V. SOmeone else who has had a lot of dealings would probably not been as fazed? I don't know.
Everything has worked out. All charges were dropped by the other county. I just want to hear an "I'm sorry for being a Doopah to you" from my home town officer.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 10:01:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SmittysWife59:

Originally Posted By GackMan:
Smitty/SmittysWife

You might want to check if the local agency offers a citizens academy. they are usually 40 hrs +/- and you get exposure to all kinds of cop stuff ;)




Let me tell you, I have heard stories that made my hair stand up on end or my jaw drop from my friends who work with this P.D.
No thanks, I'll pass!



I have been involved in these academys for years (I volunteer for scenarios for the citizens along with other Officers). I truly think you would enjoy it and would certainly be enlightened to aspects of the profession. In our City, the citizens are shown (and actually get hands on experience) of situations such as handcuffing, stopping cars (they actually get to drive the Police car and do the stop to see how they would react, etc.). Many of the people I have spoken with, say that it is a real awesome experience. We have people in the classes from College students to professional working class. But, you also have a good contact and proabably a better understanding than others, with your long-life friend who is a cop. I encourage you to seek his knowledge anytime you have questions, so that you never wonder.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 10:06:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tominator425:

Originally Posted By SmittysWife59:

Originally Posted By GackMan:
Smitty/SmittysWife

You might want to check if the local agency offers a citizens academy. they are usually 40 hrs +/- and you get exposure to all kinds of cop stuff ;)




Let me tell you, I have heard stories that made my hair stand up on end or my jaw drop from my friends who work with this P.D.
No thanks, I'll pass! hr


I have been involved in these academys for years (I volunteer for scenarios for the citizens along with other Officers). I truly think you would enjoy it and would certainly be enlightened to aspects of the profession. In our City, the citizens are shown (and actually get hands on experience) of situations such as handcuffing, stopping cars (they actually get to drive the Police car and do the stop to see how they would react, etc.). Many of the people I have spoken with, say that it is a real awesome experience. We have people in the classes from College students to professional working class. But, you also have a good contact and proabably a better understanding than others, with your long-life friend who is a cop. I encourage you to seek his knowledge anytime you have questions, so that you never wonder.hr


HA! I have lived here for 35 years, and I know ALOT of people. If I went with these guys on their patrol they would have to handcuff my butt because I would probably know the person pulled over and hit them in the head for being a dumbass. (Depending on what it was they had done)
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 10:14:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SmittysWife59:

Originally Posted By Tominator425:

Originally Posted By SmittysWife59:

Originally Posted By GackMan:
Smitty/SmittysWife

You might want to check if the local agency offers a citizens academy. they are usually 40 hrs +/- and you get exposure to all kinds of cop stuff ;)




Let me tell you, I have heard stories that made my hair stand up on end or my jaw drop from my friends who work with this P.D.
No thanks, I'll pass!



I have been involved in these academys for years (I volunteer for scenarios for the citizens along with other Officers). I truly think you would enjoy it and would certainly be enlightened to aspects of the profession. In our City, the citizens are shown (and actually get hands on experience) of situations such as handcuffing, stopping cars (they actually get to drive the Police car and do the stop to see how they would react, etc.). Many of the people I have spoken with, say that it is a real awesome experience. We have people in the classes from College students to professional working class. But, you also have a good contact and proabably a better understanding than others, with your long-life friend who is a cop. I encourage you to seek his knowledge anytime you have questions, so that you never wonder.



HA! I have lived here for 35 years, and I know ALOT of people. If I went with these guys on their patrol they would have to handcuff my butt because I would probably know the person pulled over and hit them in the head for being a dumbass. (Depending on what it was they had done)



point taken!
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 12:52:53 PM EDT
Lucky thing that your family are good people.....otherwise it could have been a situation where the phone call resulted in a family member coming out of the house with a weapon.

Kinda why I make people get off of their cell phones during a stop....I don't want them calling in reinforcements....


Originally Posted By SmittysWife59:
One funny story with that night. My husband while in the back of the squad saw that our 18 year old son was home and was still awake due to the light being on in his room. So he called him on the cell phone.
Our son answered saying "Hey dad, what are you and mom dooooing?
He said "Not much just sitting in the back of a squad car"
Our son said "Yeah right, really, what are you guys doing?"
He told him to look out of his bedroom window
With that our son screamed, said a swear word and ran outside.
Of course, my darling son came out saying "Oh good Mom, what did you do?"

Thatta boy!

Link Posted: 3/17/2006 1:11:03 PM EDT

They left my poor baby all alone in the squad car, he had noone to talk to h Very funny Har Har

I do have to say though, the cops seemed to get even calmer when he came out joking like that.
Our kids know their parents well and knew there was some kind of mistake.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 1:13:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/17/2006 1:16:39 PM EDT by SmittysWife59]
Originally Posted By trippletap:
Lucky thing that your family are good people.....otherwise it could have been a situation where the phone call resulted in a family member coming out of the house with a weapon.

Kinda why I make people get off of their cell phones during a stop....I don't want them calling in reinforcements....


OMG! I never would have thought of something like that with the reinforcement thing on the cell phone.
Crap, that is scary!

Tonight on my league, and yes I am bowling again all!
I have a friend who is a Chicago cop that bowls with me. I am sure I am going to get an earfull on what he has had happen to him with things like this.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 4:30:57 PM EDT
This thread has given me time to reflect on last year.

I recall a disturbance with weapon call at a local denney's. It comes out that there are 3 to 4 asians and 1 is pointing a gun at people in the parking lot. While nearing the scene dispatch advises they get into small silver 4 door. And leave WB. I near the area and see a bunch of people pointing at a small silver 4 door driving away. The car was full and contrary to popular belief, it's hard to tell race, sex etc. in a moving car.

I radio in the car I'm following. I wait for other units to catch up to me as I hang back. We initiate the car stop. Felony Car stop ie guns pointed and driver and passengers removed and cuffed 1 by 1 while having a wide assortment of amament aimed at their backs.

We of course seperate and detain them. Took aprox 15 min. to figure out that the calling party had in their stressed out state got confused about who got into which car and left. Of course all the other people pointing were just trying to help the calling party and didn't see anything.

These people were in the wrong place at the wrong time with a similar car as the bad guys.

All occupants were of course uncuffed and told what had happened. They of course were shook up. They had good sense of humor when They figured out that they had a good story to tell their friends. These were decent people who finally got babysitters and went out for a fun evening.

Did I feel bad. Not really. Like someone else said, you've got to go with the least common denominator. In this job you can't get complacent or you're going to get yourself or someone else dead.

With that being said. I wish I had madame Cleo's mind reading skillz.

I hate monday morning quarterbacking. I wasn't at your incident.

It seems as though you've got a pretty good humor about this. How many of your friends have had such crazy drama in their lives?
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