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Posted: 1/31/2006 7:04:24 AM EDT
I've been tasked to find out a non-lethal round that will properly cycle an M4 auto while at the same time, spit out a non-lethal round. It must be reliable in auto, look like a standard round, fire and cycle as though a normal lethal round was expelled. Without going into a lot of detail, officer safety is paramount and the mission will place a class III in the BG's hands for a brief period just prior to the arrest.

Is this a candidate for simunition?

Are there other options out there?

PM's welcome if necessary for security.

TIA-
~m38a1

Link Posted: 1/31/2006 7:06:00 AM EDT
I do not know to much about simunition, but I believe it would work.

Be Safe
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 7:32:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2006 7:33:42 AM EDT by Wave]
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:07:30 AM EDT
SIMMUNITION

IT HURTS

IT HURTS REAL REAL REAL BAD

OMFG IT HURTS BAD *WINCES*

I can honestly say that it hurts more then when I got shot with actual bullets, even though all they did was give me some nice bruises.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:29:44 AM EDT

the mission will place a class III in the BG's hands for a brief period just prior to the arrest.


If it's to be used in a sting operation then Sims will not work.
They clearly look like a training round and the uppers are modified to the point anyone that knows weapons will be able to tell it's not a real weapon.
For the criteria you outline I can't think of any trainer that would fit those requirements.


SIMMUNITION

IT HURTS

IT HURTS REAL REAL REAL BAD

OMFG IT HURTS BAD *WINCES



I feel your pain Bro, as an instructor I think I take more rounds than is good for my health.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 11:35:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2006 11:36:43 AM EDT by Bucky145]

Originally Posted By Wave:
www.simunition.com/

www.simunition.com/images/products/convertion_kit/rifles-big/colt-m4a1-rifle.jpg




Who sells these for the cheapest price? I need one but they are not cheap.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 11:43:26 AM EDT
diamondback tactical has some strange looking paint type rounds for 5.56. take a look at their catalog.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 12:35:28 AM EDT
Why dont you just load some dummy rounds up and take the firing pin out of the AR

I dount someone could tell that a mag was filled with dummy rounds (no powder) just by picking up the mag

And in case they have their own, no firing pin/inoperable firing pin, no boom
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 12:55:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/1/2006 12:59:37 AM EDT by hiredgunr]
Check with Simunition. Last summer I was at their Instructor School and they said they have a Sim round that functions in regular M-4's. It was new then but it should be out by now.

Edited to add--I found it on their website

http://www.simunition.com/index.php?section_id=51
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 4:41:50 AM EDT
UT Munitions works by replacing the bolt and converting your AR to rimfire. They are marking rounds like Simuntions and should be less lethal.

www.utmunitions.com
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 5:59:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By M38A1:
I've been tasked to find out a non-lethal round that will properly cycle an M4 auto while at the same time, spit out a non-lethal round.



Simunition or Utmunitions


It must be reliable in auto,


Simunition or Utmunitions


look like a standard round, fire and cycle as though a normal lethal round was expelled.


Nothing, nothing and nothing. Sim's and Ut's have nowhere near the same report or recoil. It's completely obvious. They don't look at all the same, either.


Is this a candidate for simunition?

Are there other options out there?



No and not to my knowledge.

Sounds scary...
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