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Posted: 10/31/2001 5:20:59 AM EDT
Imagine that you could go back in history and choose any of America's (or the Confederacy's) great military leaders to come to the present to take charge of the war in Afghanistan. (As part of the deal, this historic figure would instantly get all of the knowledge needed to get "up to speed" on modern technology and geopolitics.) Who would you choose?
Link Posted: 10/31/2001 6:50:10 AM EDT
N.B. Forest
Link Posted: 10/31/2001 7:38:04 AM EDT
Frank Merrill of Merrill's Marauders fame. Will require someone with a lot of behind the lines experience. This one isn't going to be like other wars. Or maybe Wild Bill Donovan of the OSS.
Link Posted: 10/31/2001 7:52:50 AM EDT
Obviously it has to be Patton. He wouldn't be afraid to hit them hard and hit them again.
Link Posted: 10/31/2001 8:35:35 AM EDT
Robert E. Lee , and if we can slip Jeb Sturat in there, I would reenlist.
Link Posted: 10/31/2001 1:54:50 PM EDT
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Storming Norman or Patton. Norman would be my first choice because military strategy has changed WAY too much lately. But then again, the best choice may turn out to be Truman.
Link Posted: 10/31/2001 2:32:05 PM EDT
I was thinking of Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller, USMC. 1) Experienced in low intensity conflict (Haiti and Nicaragua). 2) Experienced in fighting in mountainous terrain (Korea). 3) Balls of steel! [:D]
Link Posted: 10/31/2001 3:21:17 PM EDT
How about General Motors?
Link Posted: 10/31/2001 4:08:15 PM EDT
Curtis"Bomb them back to the Stoneage" LeMay.
Link Posted: 10/31/2001 4:15:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Rew: Robert E. Lee , and if we can slip Jeb Sturat in there, I would reenlist.
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If there is a AR-15.com "your so damn right I can't stand it!" award,you should get it.[:D]
Link Posted: 10/31/2001 5:07:38 PM EDT
The ones we have right now. They can draw on the influences of all these men, plus they are better trained. But I do understand sometimes the US or any other country produces war fighters be they Generals or otherwise who seem to be bread for the sole purpose of fighting a war. They love it and are good at it. Ben
Link Posted: 10/31/2001 5:48:24 PM EDT
Please excuse this Yankee's ignorance, but I have always thought that the citizens of the Confederate States of America were, and have always been [b]Americans[/b] first, last and always.
Link Posted: 10/31/2001 5:53:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Dave_G: Please excuse this Yankee's ignorance, but I have always thought that the citizens of the Confederate States of America were, and have always been [b]Americans[/b] first, last and always.
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What can I say you are right,the war was a BIG mistake. But what the hell,it's to late now. We should have hung our Reps. and sent somebody to DC that would tell the Yanks to get off our damn back.
Link Posted: 10/31/2001 7:28:41 PM EDT
I think the crop of commanders since Vietnam have been too politcally correct. I would normally prefer a Robt. E Lee, but for this war, William Tecumseh Sherman would be the man. He would start his army in Tadjikistan, sweep through Afghanistan, then Iran and finish up in Iraq.
Link Posted: 11/1/2001 9:17:20 AM EDT
We are Americans first and always, but I to have a heratage I am proud of. I grew up in mid FL, I had paintings of both Robert E. Lee and Jeb Sturat (SP, because I can't) over my bed. The question was, who would I pick, my grandfather the great great great one fought beside Jeb, and I am a bit proud of that too. I wish I could share the family bible with ya'll. I am a retired infantryman (nco), my Grandfather (mothers father) was a Navy Adm. and my father was one of the first NCOs in the Airforce. So I am a bit proud of where god blessed me to be born. However, the Sherman idea is not bad. SFC(ret) Rew E. Williams
Link Posted: 11/4/2001 8:33:13 PM EDT
My pick is General Shelton. He's a Special Forces man. He would know how to run this thing. This new guy is arty and I hear he dont like SF. JMHO BP
Link Posted: 11/7/2001 8:33:22 AM EDT
how about Commander Kurtz !!!
Link Posted: 11/7/2001 12:56:08 PM EDT
Uncle Billy Sherman! He did a number on Atlanta. Think of what the man could do with FAE..... Then again, Grant wouldn't be too bad either. What were his words to Sheridan regarding the Shenandoah Valley? "Burn it so that a crow flying over would have to carry it's own provender.."
Link Posted: 11/8/2001 10:42:17 AM EDT
Patton. Or possibley the Francis Marion (aka the Swamp Fox), or General Cook who successfully fought the Apaches.
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 4:31:01 PM EDT
Genghis Khan He has already done it
Link Posted: 11/10/2001 5:11:03 PM EDT
Field Marshall Erwin Rommell
Link Posted: 11/18/2001 2:46:09 AM EDT
Originally Posted By captainpooby: My pick is General Shelton. He's a Special Forces man. He would know how to run this thing. This new guy is arty and I hear he dont like SF. JMHO BP
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Man, I worked directly under Colonel Franks when he was Divarty CO with the 1CD, and then later after he became CoS, 1CD. The dude commands respect like you wouldn't believe. LOL, all the Officers were scared to death of him, cause they knew their 1st f*ck-up would be their last. The guy's got balls, too. I know he's a 4-star now, but to me, he'll always be Col. Franks. Trust me, we got a damn good one in place.
Link Posted: 11/18/2001 5:21:25 AM EDT
Speaking with hindsight, it looks like anyone could command the ground troops. The Taliban may be brave, but bravery means nothing to a Daisy Cutter or a gunship.
Link Posted: 11/18/2001 9:21:08 AM EDT
Custer!!! The boy general with huevos who will have learned from his fatal mistake.
Link Posted: 11/18/2001 2:10:59 PM EDT
General Winter--- or is that the best General to fight Nazis with? Colonel Kurz, if he is available.
Link Posted: 11/20/2001 11:58:27 PM EDT
Well, the Great Genghis Khan handed them their ass in the 13th century. Alexander the Great handed them their ass in 350 B.C.. While the Russians lost 10,000 guys, how many did the Afghans loose? A million? Nathan Bedford Forrest could whip them from the last century. We will hand them their ass in a matter of months. They may be talented at blowing up old ladies and children or shooting journalist in the back and raping his corpse. But, if you look through the history of these crap talking "terrorists" they have and will always get their asses handed to them by real soldiers. They will understand why the USMC and Army's elite forces are so elite. When they attack actual combatants I will be impressed. My granny can shoot up a playground, I would not call her a warrior for God because of it.
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 9:12:16 AM EDT
I'll second the vote for Gen. Franks. I never served under him but from what I know about him he is THE MAN. The more I learn about WWII the less I think of Patton. (Patton vetoed brining heavy tanks into the european war(Pershings) and many people were killed because of this)Obviously a major error that might have been avoided by someone less intrested in himself than his troops.
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 8:18:30 PM EDT
Benedict Arnold, before he lost his leg.
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 8:26:15 PM EDT
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Re Gen Franks: "The dude commands respect like you wouldn't believe. LOL, all the Officers were scared to death of him, cause they knew their 1st f*ck-up would be their last." Oh boy, just what we need, a real hero. If his officers are afraid to make mistakes they will get people killed for nothing just like Viet Nam. West Point no doubt.
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 8:38:42 PM EDT
Alexander the Great. Genius, pure genius. Napoleon. Genius, pure genius. Not only did these two invent tactics that are still studied today, they commanded devotion and affection that returned 110%.
Link Posted: 11/28/2001 9:02:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By K80geoff: Re Gen Franks: "The dude commands respect like you wouldn't believe. LOL, all the Officers were scared to death of him, cause they knew their 1st f*ck-up would be their last." Oh boy, just what we need, a real hero. If his officers are afraid to make mistakes they will get people killed for nothing just like Viet Nam. West Point no doubt.
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Would you rather have somebody in charge who would just "let it slide" if one of his Officers made a "little mistake" which cost the lives of his troops? Moron.
Link Posted: 11/28/2001 9:15:00 PM EDT
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god dammit, where's another Patton when we need one. If he was in charge we would probably have already over run everything from china's border to egypt's border. After that those remaining would deal very nicely with us.
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