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Posted: 10/15/2001 10:40:51 AM EDT
I had stated awhile ago that my Father worked at the Frankford Arsenal during the 60's and I have some questions for the G.I.'s. First, I was discharged in 12/64 from the A.F. so what he showed me was interesting. He had Two 7.62 rounds that were for a single loading. The rear of one was hollowed out for the nose of the other round and the rear round had a base that was slanted to cause the back round to take a different flight path once discharged. The other he called a SPEW and it looked like a tiny javelin, pointed on both ends. The spew he showed was supposed to be a multiple loading which I guessed was for a shotgun round. Anyone recall these making it to the field for combat use? THKS for your help.
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Link Posted: 10/15/2001 1:05:04 PM EDT
The cartridge with two rounds was called a duplex cartridge (not to be confused with a duplex load, which is a cartridge using two different powders). To the best of my knowledge, it was experimented with but never issued. (The military also experimented with triplex cartridges, which contain three rounds.) The SPIV (Special Purpose Individual Weapon) was supposed to replace the M16 but never did. Actually the M-16 was adopted as an interim weapon till the SPIV could be perfected. I have no knowledge of the javelin shaped projectiles that you describe having been used in Vietnam. Flechettes definitely were used there in shotguns and other weapons. They were shaped like javelins except they had tail fins. They looked very much like very small models of a rocket. These were discussed in some detail in a very recent post.
Link Posted: 10/15/2001 1:38:12 PM EDT
Thanks, 199 & Forest. You would both know that the F.A. experimented with many things and my father worked in the small arms department. He didn't have much to say too often, but he loved the job. He liked the young engineers because he said they often bought things out-of-pocket rather than wait for Uncle Sam to provide them. Again, thanks.
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Link Posted: 10/22/2001 2:25:10 PM EDT
I know they exist because I have a box. I would be interested in learning more about their history.
Link Posted: 10/22/2001 2:54:09 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/23/2001 3:31:54 PM EDT
If I remember the bullets are small/light I think in the 75 gr. region. One is slightly heavier than the other.
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 7:29:48 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/1/2001 12:14:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Voodoo17: Thanks, 199 & Forest. You would both know that the F.A. experimented with many things and my father worked in the small arms department. He didn't have much to say too often, but he loved the job. He liked the young engineers because he said they often bought things out-of-pocket rather than wait for Uncle Sam to provide them. Again, thanks.
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Voodoo - your dad probably knew my dad! My dad was an engineer in small arms at APG from WWII through 1972. He was involved with SPIW testing (he doesn't have much good to say about it though!).
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