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Posted: 11/2/2005 8:23:47 PM EDT
What’s your favorite battle?
My personal favorite is the German counter offensive at Kharkov (Feb 1943). Field Marshall Erich von Manstein was a genius. |
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Battle of Agincourt 1415
Henry V and 6000 troops defeated a French force of 25,000. Accurate English Long Bows, and arrogant French knights stuck in the mud. English casulties were 200, and the French lost 5,000. Pretty good ass whoopin' if you ask me. |
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Damn, I've been chewing on this one for some time. I can't come up with a single battle so I'll say the Pacific island hopping campaign, Guadalcanal to Okinawa. Although I'm not sure that Guadalcanal was technically part of that campaign.
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It's hard to narrow it down to one but I have to say the D-Day invasion simply because of the scale of such an operation.
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The Brits vs the Spanish Armada
Greatest naval battle in the Age of Sail. |
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Saratoga,,,.www.saratoga.org/battle1777/
Asa well as the battles that lead to the formation of a GREAT NATION |
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I will be the first to bust out one from the B.C.
Thermopylae. |
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Battle of Seelow Heights, on the Eastern Front in WWII. Germans held up the Russian advance for a few days, all while outnumbered by a huge number.
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I'll admit, I'm not that well versed in ancient history.....what happened there? |
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Verdun, or the Hindenberg Line. My vote goes to Ieper as the best battlefield town though. Those people know how to throw down.
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About 500 spartans held off a horde of persians until they were surounded. They fought to the last man, and were said to have taken over 100 men for each lost. Xerxes actually stopped sending wave after wave of men to their deaths, and fired upon them with archers to finish them off. The leader of the men that day was named leonadas(sp?) and his message to his wife before making the stand, "marry a brave man." Those were some bad mofos. ETA: Thier stand was what made it possible for the greeks to regroup to the south, and fend off the persians. |
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Thats another of my favorites. |
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Mine has to be Chancellorsville 1863, Lee and Jackson's masterpiece.
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Custer's Last Stand.
I would love a computer sim that would allow you to change the small arms of Custer's troop without changing Custer's decision making. How much of an improvement in firepower would have been required to change the tide? |
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That’s another great one. Excellent choice. |
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Chancellorsville and Little Big Horn are right at the top of my list.
D-Day Gettysburg The Bulge San Jaun Hill There are just too damn many.........but if I must Hampton Roads, 1862 |
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I have always thought Hastings(sp?) was interesting. It was pretty much Englands birth.
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300 Spartans. Two survived--one because of cowardice (he redeemed himself at Platea the following year) and one because he was sent home due to illness. They were under the command of King Leonidas, who is quoted as saying "Molon Labe" to Persian requests that they lay down their arms. It means "come and take them." The reason for the stand was probably not strictly to allow regrouping--the Persians did not continue the assault until the following year anyway, and were defeated at Platea. Likely the reason for the stand was to encourage the Greeks to stand and deliver rather than surrender. After all, if 300 Greeks give their lives at Thermopylae, what man would stand and say that he was not willing to bear arms against the Persians? |
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5,000 indians versus 150 or so whiteys? I think they would need a SAW and 1k rounds each. |
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Sounds like fun. I'm in. |
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Custer's Last Stand would not rate high up on my list. Hell, it would not even make my list. One arrogant ass (Custer) takes a small force too deep into enemy held territory without any support and gets himself and his men annihilated.
It was not exactly a high point in generalship. |
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Now thats a good one. Midway would have to make anybody's list. |
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Hell, if Custer had just brought in his Gatling guns he would have had a real good chance of winning. A waste of men and materials. |
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That and Argincort would be mine... |
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Gettysburg has been a much studied battle for me, I have amassed a fairly large library dealing with it. So much to gain and lose on both sides. The height of tragedy and heroism.
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Agincourt followed by Waterloo.
Also, while this was not a single battle, I think GEN MacArthur's reconquest of the Southwestern Pacific was the work of a genius. |
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Rorkes Drift. A small group of British soldiers and local militia held off the Zulus who had just routed the main English army at Isandlwana. Amazing what proper tactics, dicipline and technology can do.
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More a war than a battle, but still smaller than some battles, like 'Kursk', but Falklands 1982.
Rest of the World (incl US) said it couldn't be done. British did it anyway. A very important battle to note (particularly for countries used to winning) for academic purposes is the Egyptian crossing of the Suez in 1973. The Israelis were cocky and got their asses handed to them in what really was an incredibly successful operation, both the assault, and the defense against the counterattacks. It wasn't until the Egyptians royally screwed up several days later in the war by changing their strategic goals for political reasons that they gave the Israelis the opportunity which they then took. NTM |
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I'll keep this thread alive, Another of my favorites is the battle over hill 180, or bayonet hill during the Korean war. Where Lewis Millet led the last great bayonet charge of the US army. I think they killed 47 chinese, and of those, 30 were skewered by M1 bayonets.
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Plevna, excellent strategy based on the weapons and terrain at hand.
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It is my favorite and that was the question. It has held the attention of many, multiple movies, Twilight Zones, etc. Take your war criminal, sterile von Manstein and go play dress up with Prince Harry. He fled and left his soldiers to die. What befell Manstein's abandoned soldiers makes the quick death suffered by the troopers of the 7th look positively merciful. |
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Page two and no one has mentioned the big one! The batte to end all battles! The battle of Armageddon.
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Macho Grande? |
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"It's a miracle sir!" "If it is, it's a point four-five boxer henry cartridge miracle." "And a bayonet sir! Wiv some guts behind it!" I'd like to also add to the favorites list the raid at Zeebrugge in 1918. Sir Roger Keyes was the sort of nut I think we'd appreciate here. |
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Another "oldie but goodie": Hannibal vs the Romans at Cannae
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I can agree here. Although I knd of look at the Gettysburg Campaign and the Vicksburg Campaign in tandem. Between them they put the stamp of finished on the Confederacy. Took them 2 years to wrap it up, but it was all over at that point. Midway was a real fluke, Pearl Harbor, in either case had the Japanes bored on in they would have come close to or knocked us out of the Pacific War for several years. |
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You must be thinking of some other German Field Marshall. Von Manstein was no war criminal. In what battle did he "Abandone" soldiers under his command? What does the "go play dress up with Prince Harry" comment mean? |
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Good one. Some of those battles are about as classic as it gets. |
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He must mean Manstein's attempted relief of the 6th Army at Stalingrad. And he didn't abandon Stalingrad, it was either withdraw or be destroyed........ Manstein in my opinion was the finest German field commander of the war. |
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Big +1 for Thermopylae. One of the most inspiring tales of courage I've ever heard.
As far as masterfull planning and whatnot, both Pearl Harbor and the raid on Cabanatuan are beautiful examples of how it should be done. |
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