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Posted: 4/13/2016 7:14:12 PM EDT
I am reading a book about the sinking of the Lusitania by a German U boat which contributed to the US getting into WW1.  I was googling around about U boats and I happened upon this article, about a smaller U boat used during WW2:

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It appears that a smaller version of a U boat washed up near Argentina.  The smaller U boat was thought to have been one of several such vessels that carried high ranking German officials to South America after the Germans lost WW2.  One such escaped Nazi claims to have come over on a small sub with Hitler.  I thought that was crap since everyone knows Hitler killed himself but his (or someone's) remains were burned and not readily identifiable.  DNA tests were done years later and did not match.  

Wouldn't it be some shit if Hitler successfully fled to South America?

Link Posted: 4/13/2016 7:17:51 PM EDT
[#1]
He died in the bunker Jim
Link Posted: 4/13/2016 7:50:56 PM EDT
[#2]
Have you seen the History Channel show "Hunting Hitler"?

I know, I know, History channel and some staged stuff blah blah blah..  But a lot of the raw data points do kind of make sense when connecting the dots.....

Underground tunnel to airport to escape Berlin, to Spain to hop on a U-boat to Argentina..etc
Link Posted: 4/13/2016 9:45:56 PM EDT
[#3]
No.  If Hitler survived WWII, he moved somewhere very private and never dabbled in politics or publicly spoke again.

Going away quietly and hiding doesn't seem to have been his way.
Link Posted: 4/13/2016 9:52:57 PM EDT
[#4]
Double tap!
Link Posted: 4/13/2016 9:54:05 PM EDT
[#5]
It's not entirely inconceivable but highly highly unlikely.  The price on his head was togreat and after the war crimes came to light not many people would keep their mouths shut.

Also Israel, they take nazi hunting to a whole new level.
Link Posted: 4/13/2016 10:11:16 PM EDT
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Hitler died in the bunker exactly as described - bit down on cyanide capsule and then shot himself in the mouth (and out the brain stem) with a .32 Mauser HSc. After the USSR fell we got access to detailed reports of the examination of the remains complete with bullet exit out back of skull. The reason the Russians suppressed this info was because their official stand was that Hitler had killed himself with cyanide only - no gun involved. Revealing the existence of the skull or even just the forensic report would have revealed the lie. In Russian culture, suicide by gun is an honorable death. Poison is how you kill a dog. It was important for them that their people believed that Hitler died a dogs death.
Link Posted: 4/14/2016 9:52:54 AM EDT
[#7]
HItlery was smuggle out of the bunker by Bomann.  The skull that the Russians had was that of a woman's.  Besides, the double for Hitler that was killed had darned socks.
Link Posted: 4/14/2016 4:34:26 PM EDT
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The last film footage of him reveal a run down old man who needed to be put down like the cur dog he was .
All the way down . So .... If not then and there in the bunker then somewhere else roting away while his nation was being grinded down .
Link Posted: 4/14/2016 6:21:08 PM EDT
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Haven't you seen the documentary "Boys from Brazil"?  
Link Posted: 4/16/2016 5:25:11 AM EDT
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There is the FBI redacted file on the FBI website. Tread lightly folks.
https://vault.fbi.gov/adolf-hitler/adolf-hitler-part-01-of-04/view

An article from Before It's News website.
http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2014/03/fbi-opens-files-proving-hitler-went-to-argentina-2603372.html
Link Posted: 4/16/2016 5:41:29 AM EDT
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Hitler was taking medical grade meth daily.  He was doped up like nobody's business for years.

The guy was done...physically, mentally...done.  He would have had to have his drugs for years...

No way he walked away and just lived peacefully someplace.
Link Posted: 4/16/2016 6:56:34 AM EDT
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Let's keep the discussion on a serious level. ~ medicmandan
Link Posted: 4/16/2016 7:28:24 AM EDT
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Wrong forum. GD is further up.Another wuss and run post.
Link Posted: 4/16/2016 11:24:05 PM EDT
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Hitler without a doubt killed himself in Berlin.



The autopsy the Russians performed proved it without a doubt and it was corroborated many times by others who had details about his body (dental, medical records, etc.). Add into that eyewitness testimony such as Traudl Junge and Albert Speer who lived well after the war and it's not even up for debate.
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 1:30:17 AM EDT
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Hitler without a doubt killed himself in Berlin.

The autopsy the Russians performed proved it without a doubt and it was corroborated many times by others who had details about his body (dental, medical records, etc.). Add into that eyewitness testimony such as Traudl Junge and Albert Speer who lived well after the war and it's not even up for debate.
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While I understand your misgivings about the subject please continue reading. The file runs 203 pages.
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 1:47:37 AM EDT
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Nobody wants to believe he survived. I think it's possible he did escape, eluded Simon Wisenthal, the Russians and anyone else who was looking for him. Other Nazi's escaped, why couldn't he ? I think there was going to be a movie coming out based on this.
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 3:45:31 AM EDT
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I place NO faith in the fraudulent Simon Wiesenthal group. If their mission was true then George Soros who is a Jew and responsible for Jewish deaths due to his collaboration with the Nazis should have died a most horrible and public death. Money talks irregardless of the Bullshit preached.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 9:09:40 PM EDT
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IF he did survive and escape AND the FBI/Government knew about it, I would think they would have sent a hit team there to quietly dispose of him. The nation and world would not have wanted to know he survived or slipped through their finger tips at the end of the war. If they did kill him who would the Nazis protecting him report it to? "Hello, police someone has murdered Hitler."

However, I think think he died in Berlin with Eva.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 12:30:23 AM EDT
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I think he died in Berlin.  There is no way he could have hidden like some of the other lower ranking ones.
Link Posted: 4/26/2016 5:39:35 PM EDT
[#20]
Let's keep the discussion on a serious level. ~ medicmandan
Link Posted: 4/29/2016 3:38:29 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/29/2016 4:01:35 AM EDT
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he survived.
Link Posted: 5/15/2016 1:14:33 PM EDT
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Not impossible but highly unlikely he could have gotten out of Berlin or Europe. Yeah a lot of nazis were able to escape but unlike him they hadn't had their faces displayed in magazines, newspapers, newsreels, and propganda posters for literally a decade.

Dictators are also not the type of people to just go quietly into the night either.
Link Posted: 5/19/2016 9:58:39 AM EDT
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Whenever a link to this article pops up again on Facebook or someone sends me an email with a link attached to it, I always get asked about this since I'm a history buff.  

I think due to the fact the truth is always stranger than fiction and the fact anything is possible, who knows.  We do know Hitler was a broken shell of a man by 1945.  There was so much secrecy surrounding his death and the disposition of the remains by the Soviets.  We alwas know the Russians are such honest and forthwright people right?    The area around the Bunker was well guarded by the Soviets so no real forensic investigation was done by anyone else than the Russians.  There has also been so much conjecture by everyone including those who say they were present for Hitlers last days.  Most of which is just a quick answer to put the past to rest.  

Now, lets look at the possibility of Hitler getting out of Berlin that late in the war.  The city was totally surrounded by the Russians and they took grevious casualties taking the city.  Hitlers party secretary Martin Bormann didn't make it far before he realized he wouldn't make it and he bit a cyanide capsule and his body was later found by construction workers in 1972.  Look what happened to most of the staff that tried getting out from the Bunker.  Getting Hitler moving by land would have been a major undertaking and would have required alot of troops to cover him.  Even the dimmest of soldiers would have figured out they were escorting the Fuhrer and most likely would have said something like, "Hey, my company tried a breakout for the Fuhrer!"  Nothing in my 30 years of studying WW2 even suggests that.  

Could Hitler have got out in a Fielser Storch?  Possibly.  Hanna Reich did it.  She landed on a stretch of road delivering a Luftwaffe officer who was wounded in the process.  A nighttime take off and a very low level flight is possible.  They could have gotten in the air, jumped stumps and gotten into a pocket held by German forces and then smuggled out through a neutral country with a port and then off to South America via submarine.  

Now if Hitler did make it to Argentina, how could his presence not have been noticed for so long?  Eventually somebody talks and the word gets out.  Look at any project in history that didn't have any leaks.  There aren't that many.  The US Army had their hands full ferreting out commies or people with shaky loyalties during the A-Bomb project.  

Even if Hitler did get out I don't imagine he lived very long to enjoy a freedom that possibly consisted of hiding and looking over his shoulder for every waking second of his life.  His health and addiction to narcotics would have prevented him from leading a meaningful life.
Link Posted: 5/19/2016 10:05:26 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/19/2016 10:15:09 AM EDT
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Just as much evidence he fled as the assumption he killed himself.  There certainly were a lot of people who wanted to save him, or even just his body.
Link Posted: 7/14/2016 4:22:21 PM EDT
[#27]
Were his doctor and meth supply on that U-boat as well?
Link Posted: 7/14/2016 4:45:24 PM EDT
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There certainly are some interesting things that have gone on/are going on in San Carlos de Bariloche, Argentina.
Link Posted: 7/15/2016 7:32:57 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/16/2016 5:42:50 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/16/2016 7:15:41 PM EDT
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A broken shell and a true believer in Aryan supremacy.

The little speech in Downfall that gets youtubed all the time was not pulled from vacuum.

He really believed that if Germany could be defeated by the lesser races, as it had, then death was what Germany and all Germans deserved along with that defeat.

It would have been shocking for him to do anything but off himself, really.
Link Posted: 7/17/2016 1:02:01 AM EDT
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A broken shell and a true believer in Aryan supremacy.

The little speech in Downfall that gets youtubed all the time was not pulled from vacuum.

He really believed that if Germany could be defeated by the lesser races, as it had, then death was what Germany and all Germans deserved along with that defeat.

It would have been shocking for him to do anything but off himself, really.
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Concur that Hitler would have died fighting.  However, it's been said that Borman had him drugged and removed from the bunker.  The skull that the Soviets had turned out to be that from a woman.
Link Posted: 7/17/2016 1:15:10 AM EDT
[#33]
my opinion is that he in fact made it out of Germany alive

where he ended up I have no clue but South America would be my guess as the logical destination

Obviously I have not proof or facts to back that up and again just my personal opinion

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yes they found a burned body and such but I have always been skeptical about that it in fact was him


either way it does not matter if he made it out a live or not by now he would be dead anyhow



Link Posted: 7/17/2016 1:19:49 AM EDT
[#34]
Siegfried Knappe said that he died in the bunker, that's good enough for me. (He said that he had the opportunity to kill Hitler during the last days, but decided against it from fear of making him a martyr.)

According to Knappe, General Weidling said that AH refused to evacuate the bunker because he didn't want to "die like a dog in the streets".

His Parkinson's was so bad that he would have been dead very soon thereafter regardless.
Link Posted: 7/17/2016 1:24:18 AM EDT
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A broken shell and a true believer in Aryan supremacy.

The little speech in Downfall that gets youtubed all the time was not pulled from vacuum.

He really believed that if Germany could be defeated by the lesser races, as it had, then death was what Germany and all Germans deserved along with that defeat.

It would have been shocking for him to do anything but off himself, really.
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He threatened to kill himself on more than one occasion throughout his life when things didn't go his way.

He came near to shooting himself just before he was made chancellor.
Link Posted: 8/8/2016 2:23:45 AM EDT
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I think he may have survived.Stranger things have happened.The Nazis had many resources just like the Democrats.
Link Posted: 8/8/2016 2:47:18 AM EDT
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He survived and in exchange he gave up Germanies secrets to the allies.
Link Posted: 8/10/2016 5:55:30 PM EDT
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What secrets?  LOL
Link Posted: 8/10/2016 6:08:41 PM EDT
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It is interesting that Hitler was basically dying from all the drugs and whatever diseases he had.

I can see him killing himself.  I think he was that narcissistic.
Link Posted: 8/23/2016 3:47:56 PM EDT
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I have zero proof or knowledge but the tinfoil hat on me says he made it out.
Link Posted: 9/1/2016 11:28:05 PM EDT
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I think there is a chance and the tunnel out airplane or ground to Spain is possible sub across the Atlantic diagonal would be a long ride but not impossible . Yes it is possible but a really long shot . He was in poor health. Look how long Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein  were gone and we were actively pursuing them with way more effort  than even a look for Hitler
Link Posted: 9/18/2016 4:45:26 PM EDT
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Not to hurt anybodys feelings but it's ludicrous to think he survived.A meglomanic who was once the master of Europe doesn't simply accept an anonymous life in Argentina.Just as a serial killer can't quit killing when you crave and obtain the kind of power Hitler had there's no way you're going to be content to disappear to some back water in Brazil,Peru or wherever.

As far as witnesses there's plenty to attest to his death and the fact that he was a broken terminally ill man.The Führerbunker wasn't some isolated command post---you had dozens of people there.Secretarys,guards,cooks,his chauffeur,Hitler's military  adjutant along with  adjutants for other high ranking Generals,Generals themselves along with various front line commanders that would come and go.

Just a few of the eyewitnesses to his death--- Hitler Youth Leader Artur Axmann,His secretary Traudl Junge,His chauffeur Erich Kempka, His SS adjutant Otto Günsche,Oberscharführer  Rocha Misch, Brigadeführer Wilhelm Mohnke,His valet Heinz Linge,secretary Gerda Christian,secretary Else Krüger etc.There were many more but these are some of the few that survived.Let's not forget that Berlin was surrounded by several million screaming Russians.

The Russians had most of these survivors in captivity so they knew the real story.Why Stalin wouldn't admit that Hitler was dead who knows what game he was playing.

Once again common sense tells you that a man who commanded that kind of absolute power simply is not content to just disappear and live a life of anonymity.You do not have the power of life or death over everything from the beaches of Normandy to the gates of Moscow to go live a life of obscurity.Evil Men such as Hitler NEVER give up power but thru death.

Link Posted: 9/18/2016 9:23:39 PM EDT
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He couldn't have told us anything other than they had a rocket program or that they had started a nuclear program.Big deal.We wanted the Warner Von Brauns that could tell us about rocket propulsion systems or rocket guidance  systems.Or the nuclear scientists that could tell us how to build the most efficient centrifuge.Just as FDR couldn't really tell you much useful about the Manhattan Project but J. Robert Oppenheimer damn sure could.
Link Posted: 9/19/2016 10:22:56 AM EDT
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Nazi Bell!  
Link Posted: 9/19/2016 6:46:05 PM EDT
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Not to hurt anybodys feelings but it's ludicrous to think he survived.A meglomanic who was once the master of Europe doesn't simply accept an anonymous life in Argentina.Just as a serial killer can't quit killing when you crave and obtain the kind of power Hitler had there's no way you're going to be content to disappear to some back water in Brazil,Peru or wherever.



As far as witnesses there's plenty to attest to his death and the fact that he was a broken terminally ill man.The Führerbunker wasn't some isolated command post---you had dozens of people there.Secretarys,guards,cooks,his chauffeur,Hitler's military  adjutant along with  adjutants for other high ranking Generals,Generals themselves along with various front line commanders that would come and go.



Just a few of the eyewitnesses to his death--- Hitler Youth Leader Artur Axmann,His secretary Traudl Junge,His chauffeur Erich Kempka, His SS adjutant Otto Günsche,Oberscharführer  Rocha Misch, Brigadeführer Wilhelm Mohnke,His valet Heinz Linge,secretary Gerda Christian,secretary Else Krüger etc.There were many more but these are some of the few that survived.Let's not forget that Berlin was surrounded by several million screaming Russians.



The Russians had most of these survivors in captivity so they knew the real story.Why Stalin wouldn't admit that Hitler was dead who knows what game he was playing.



Once again common sense tells you that a man who commanded that kind of absolute power simply is not content to just disappear and live a life of anonymity.You do not have the power of life or death over everything from the beaches of Normandy to the gates of Moscow to go live a life of obscurity.Evil Men such as Hitler NEVER give up power but thru death.



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Saddam Hussein was used to living on top of the world too.  Wound up hiding in a spider hole.  I think the survival instinct is stronger than you think.



 
Link Posted: 9/19/2016 6:57:10 PM EDT
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Saddam wasn't quite on the level of pure evil like Hitler,Mao or Stalin who each killed tens or hundreds of millions.Of course he was evil but he didn't try to control entire continents/hundreds of millions as the big 3 did.I should have been more specific that I was talking about true megalomaniacs who are never sastified with what they control.You would have never seen Stalin or Mao limit themselves to Kuwait or Saudi Arabia.
Link Posted: 9/20/2016 3:06:28 PM EDT
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Saddam wasn't dependent on a drug cocktail and a doctor to administer it either.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:07:26 PM EDT
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Nazi base in artic found by Russians.  The Russians recovered about 500 artifacts from it including documents, stuff with swastikas and some rusted cartridges. Apparently they killed an ate polar bear which gave them trichinosis.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/secret-nazi-military-base-discoverd-arctic/
Link Posted: 11/3/2016 5:24:28 PM EDT
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Nazi base in artic found by Russians.  The Russians recovered about 500 artifacts from it including documents, stuff with swastikas and some rusted cartridges. Apparently they killed an ate polar bear which gave them trichinosis.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/secret-nazi-military-base-discoverd-arctic/
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Fascinating. Thanks.
Link Posted: 11/7/2016 2:41:06 PM EDT
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It took us how long to find Sadam and allegedly Osama with 24 hour surveillance satellites,  drones,  and everything else we have today? Whether he did or not,  I'm sure the possibility of Hitler slipping through the cracks back then is real.
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