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Posted: 6/17/2003 10:10:39 PM EDT
With all the fuss that OSHA has made about noise polution and hearing damage in industry and our private lives why are silencers still illegal? It makes as much sense as outlawing mufflers on automobiles. I think that suppressors were outlawed at the same time as machine guns during the boot-legging days when "tommy-guns" were the craze. It's about time this stupid silencer law is dropped. We all must wear "ear-muffs" for hearing protection at gun ranges. Why not just manufacture all firearms with integral suppressors? The technology exists. Why is gun noise desireable? Is it suppose to prevent crime because everyone will hear the shot? In combat the amount of noise and hearing damage is inexcusable. Is it a psychological kind of thing? The Army that makes the most noise WINS?
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 10:11:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/17/2003 10:12:17 PM EDT by Phil_A_Steen]
Silencers and machineguns are legal in about 37 states, although you do have to pay $200 tax to the government for each one you buy.
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 10:22:46 PM EDT
In some areas of France they are recommended. Some ranges in Finland require them.
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 10:24:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen: Silencers and machineguns are legal in about 37 states, although you do have to pay $200 tax to the government for each one you buy.
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As I understood even to get the $200 "stamp" for each silencer or machine gun you have to jump through hoops to get your local constable to approve your permit request. And it takes months and months to get it approved, if it is. Other than "collecting" reasons there isn't any valid reason why anyone needs a suppressed gun if your Sheriff should ask, "why do you need this silencer?". I wouldn't know how to answer.
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 11:08:20 PM EDT
The same reason you would Need a Corvette or Lamborghini - its not a matter of need. You can't operate a "Real" Sports car in its designed speed range - it isn't legal. Likewise you must USE a suppressor in a legal manner - Plinking is still legal.
Link Posted: 6/21/2003 7:57:23 PM EDT
I was recently touring England and Scotland and happened to stay at the right bed and breakfast on mainland Orkney one night. The owner was a 28 year police veteran and we talked guns for a while and then he showed me his "rabbit killing machine" as he called it. It was a 10/22 with a silencer. I had only seen pictures of silencers up til this point and asked if it was quiet. We went outside and shot a few rounds into the side of the hill - and wow was it quiet! I absolutely hate the fact that it is easier to own silencers (and 50 round 10/22 magazines for that matter) in the UK than it is here. They should not be subject to a $200 tax.
Link Posted: 6/21/2003 8:06:20 PM EDT
yeah well if i get in a gun fight...i want other people to hear the shots.
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 8:03:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Citabria7GCBC: yeah well if i get in a gun fight...i want other people to hear the shots.
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Then you can unscrew yours off in opportune places for such a scenario. I sincerely doubt however, that you would stick to that point in a carjacking -- unless of course you are already deaf.
Link Posted: 6/24/2003 5:37:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By turboman: Other than "collecting" reasons there isn't any valid reason why anyone needs a suppressed gun if your Sheriff should ask, "why do you need this silencer?". I wouldn't know how to answer.
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[blue] Refer him to the Gemtech web-site:[/blue] [red] "All Gemtech suppressors meet or exceed OSHA requirements for firearm sound reduction hearing protection."[/red] [blue] Supposedly OSHA has required CA to use suppressors for hearing protection,, do not know full story with OSHA involvement.[/blue]
Link Posted: 6/24/2003 8:42:21 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SBR7_11:
Originally Posted By turboman: Other than "collecting" reasons there isn't any valid reason why anyone needs a suppressed gun if your Sheriff should ask, "why do you need this silencer?". I wouldn't know how to answer.
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[blue] Refer him to the Gemtech web-site:[/blue] [red] "All Gemtech suppressors meet or exceed OSHA requirements for firearm sound reduction hearing protection."[/red] [blue] Supposedly OSHA has required CA to use suppressors for hearing protection,, do not know full story with OSHA involvement.[/blue]
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It simply means that "suppressors" have to meet a specific sound reduction level to satisfy OSHA that they can be called true "sound suppressors". It doesn't mean that you must have a silencer in CA. I wish someone would tell me why OSHA hasn't addressed firearm "noise". Probably because the law is against them. Unless, of course you have the $200 then it's OK if you damage your own or someone else's hearing.
Link Posted: 6/24/2003 10:44:43 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 7:52:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/26/2003 7:54:02 PM EDT by Andreuha]
Originally Posted By David_Hineline: Also most nothing is illegal if you get the proper permits and pay the proper fees.
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And herein lies the problem. YOUR BEING [b]EXTORTED[/b] TO DO ANYTHING BEYOND THE ABSOLUTE BASICS! This is where the whole Libertarian thing comes in to play. But not to hijack the thread. Goverment loves to steal your money, and when you find reason not to give pay the goverment for nothing, your ass gets locked up.
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 1:41:36 PM EDT
Since a person is "taxed" when obtaining a "permit" for a sound suppressor/silencer, why isn't it a "taxation" problem if someone gets caught without the proper documentation? Does anyone know if this issue has been taken to court? I'm, uh, not volunteering! Also, isn't the kind of penalties incurred by possessing an unregistered suppressor WAY out of proportion to other Tax violations? I thought there was this thing in our legal system about ...mmm, I have forgotten the term, basically having unequal punishment for similar criimes. Any ideas?
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