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Posted: 3/6/2002 7:30:51 AM EDT
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Its been about 8 years since I lived in ST Louis. I lived in Fenton. If your going to be working in Fenton I would suggest you lived there. When I was there it was a hell of a nice little town and it was just far enought away from the city. When I lived there it flooded alot. So pick your house with that in mind. Keep away from the little river that runs through Fenton a bit. I think MO gun laws are kinda ruff...but im not real sure. If I were to moved back to MO I would want ot live in Fenton again, unless alot has changed since I was there...very clean, nice little town.
Let me know if there is anything else I can answer. Riz [email protected] |
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Posted: 3/6/2002 9:19:21 AM EDT
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Keep this thread near the top and I will fill in some info tonight when I have time.
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Posted: 3/6/2002 9:27:33 AM EDT
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I lived there for three months on a TDY assignment last summer. I was up more in the Westport area, so I'm not really familiar with Fenton, but here are my observations:
1)West St Louis is in general a whole lot nicer than East St Louis. I would recommend living anywhere from Fenton east to Mehlville or so, and anywhere west of 270 north to I-70 (that is the area I am most familiar with). It's really nice, green, with decent people for the most part. 2)Regarding gun laws: MO is pretty AR-friendly. MO law says anybody with an FFL can own class III toys, and they don't differentiate between Type 01 FFLs and C&R guys. So if you get your C&R, I think you are OK to own full-auto stuff. However, CCW is entirely out of the question, at least for now. It's worse than CA. In CA at least there is some provision for CCW if you are connected, but in MO it is flat out no, never, not gonna happen. Hopefully grass roots law will change that though. 3)My favorite range was the Bulls Eye Pistol Range [url]http://www.bullseyeindoor.com/[/url]. This place has a few machine gun rentals (MP5, Uzi, Car-15, and a Cobray I think). They also allow centerfire rifles indoors up to 50BMG I think (but it's only a 25 yard range). I mostly shot pistols there and a took my AR a few times. I heard there was an outdoor range someplace too, but I never got around to visiting. 4)Favorite stuff about the city: The Italian food on "the hill" can't be beat. Lots of restaurants and places to go window shopping. Forest Park is a great place to visit too, along with the adjoining Science Center and IMAX theater. The St Charles riverfront area is also quite nice with a lot of historic shops and such. 5)Least favorite stuff about the city: Traffic can be almost worse than L.A. at times. It seems like they do a LOT of construction on the interstates and it can really tie up traffic during rush hour. The worst place to be is eastbound into St Louis on I-70 in the morning or westbound out of St Louis on I-70 in the evening. But if you are down in Fenton you probably won't notice that as much. Good luck to you! Best wishes for your upcoming move. Dilbert |
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Posted: 3/6/2002 9:55:49 AM EDT
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Regarding places to live, I live in the Clayton/Richmond Heights/U-City area. I really like this area as it is centrally located. I do not know much about Fenton. Regarding ranges, there is very little to chose from in the city/county. As one person mentioned the Bull's Eye indoor range (I think the only indoor range in the area) is good, I think there is a skeet club out in Eureka (which is relatively close to Fenton) and there is a really nice facility in Wright City (though it requires membership) it is the Benchrest Rifle Club of St. Louis [url]www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/8960[/url]. There are also several (inconveniently located) outdoor, un-regulated ranges at various wildlife areas. Regarding gun shops, I have acutally found the best prices out in St. Charles...at Mikes Gun Shop (636) 949-8764. There are of course several other fine (and fairly priced) gun shops...many of which I have purchased from.
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Posted: 3/6/2002 9:58:13 AM EDT
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I live in Illinois across the river from St. Louis. It takes me about 20 minutes to get to St Louis from the small town I live in. I personally wouldn't live in St. Louis or any of the towns around it. It seems very crowded overthere, so it really depends on if you like the crowded city living or just a quiet small town. If I were you i'd look around a bit visit the towns around the area you are working in, check the crime rate out i'm sure its higher overthere. You should cross the river and check out some of the towns in Illinois along interstate 55n just stay out of East St. Louis. Collinsville,Troy,Edwardsvile, are some of the nice towns you might want to check out. If you have kids Troy has good schools. These towns are like 25 minutes from St. Louis but traffic can be bad going into St Louis in the morning. I personnaly would rather deal with the traffic than live in or near the big city.
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Posted: 3/6/2002 12:04:38 PM EDT
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I have lived just south of fenton for 24 years(all my life). Unless you are a "City Person" then save your money and stay outside of St. Louis County. Fenton is on the very south edge of St. Louis county, bordering Jefferson County.(where I live) Highways (30) and interstate (44) intersect fenton. If you want lower priced real estate head south/west on highway (30) to Jefferson county and the High Ridge, House Springs area(approx. 10-15 miles South of Fenton.) If you "have" to live in the city stay away from N.City.
Depending on what you want.....middle income, or high income, there are a lot of areas surrounding fenton that pretty much have every class of person. Fenton is a Industrial town, lots of factorys, Chrysler plant etc. Very Blue Collar. Also a very important point, St. Louis, Jefferson, and Franklin Countys all have to pass an emmissions program for your vehicle. It is a bi-annual state run program, on even years such as 2002, all even year cars(1998,1982)odd years such as 2003, odd car years, must pass a vehicle emmissions test The safety part of the inspection can be performed by any certified shop, but the emmissions portion must be done in one of a very few inspection stations. The closest one to fenton is about 10 miles away in Arnold. As far as the ranges go.....Once you are outside of St. Louis county it is a very rural area.....I just go out in my back yard and hammer away. |
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Posted: 3/6/2002 12:15:43 PM EDT
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forgot to add this on last post....
St. Louis the city is a great city, it is the last "eastern style" city west of the mississippi river. We have great sports teams, The RAMs, The Cardinals, The Blues. We have the Anheuser Busch brewery, St. Louis Zoo, The St. Louis Art Museum. There are a lot of great bars near the Mississippi river, we have quite a few first rate casinos, (I like Harrah's myself.) Great restuarants as mentioned in someon else's post. There is always something going on......We have Gateway Raceway if you are a race fan, they hold the NHRA Sear Craftsman Nationals, some Nascar truck races, and some Indy racing league events. If you have any questions regaurding STL email me and I'll answer then or find someone who can. [email][email protected][/email] |
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Posted: 3/6/2002 12:29:19 PM EDT
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one more thing...
As far as traffic goes..... Traffic heads into the city in the morning, so any east or north bound highways are gonna be bad, then the opposite in the evening, west and south bound highways will be bad. If worried about raffic, pick a place north of fenton, then just watch as you pass the parking lots on the other side of the highway as you head north to go home or south to go to work. |
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Posted: 3/6/2002 1:50:55 PM EDT
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Fenton is an OK town, Lived near there for 5 years. There are several ranges nearby that are good. There are a few good gun stores in the area too. C&S metal works is a must see for class III toys, even if you can't afford them.
Still have a house there, but it's rented now. Good luck, 'cause moving sucks. |
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Posted: 3/6/2002 3:39:51 PM EDT
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Thank you for all your help guys.I have been looking on the web today for apartments.I have found some nice places.I think im going to give Fenton a try.It sounds like a nice little town.Illinois told me to look in ILL for a place to live.I took a look at a few towns.They have a few cheep places in Venice AND Brooklyn ILL.They were so cheep.$299 for a 2 bedroom house.Thats too cheep, there has to be something wrong with it.
Do any of you guys have a NFA gun? I know MO is a subgun state.But what do i have to do to get one.Can someone tell me what they had to do.I know the county sharif has to sing off on it.If its hard to get the St Louis county guy to do it,Ill just move to Jefferson county. IS THERE A LOT OF SINGLE LADYS IN ST LOUIS? LOL im 23 years old .Moveing to a town where i dont know anyone at all.Just wanted to know how easy it was to meet the ladys |
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Posted: 3/6/2002 5:32:03 PM EDT
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HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE ME TO GET TO THE AIRPORT FROM FENTON?Im a network engineeer/Solaris Admin.I think they are going to have me flying alot.Id hate to have an hour drive to the airpost every time i fly.Thanks for all your help guys
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Posted: 3/6/2002 7:03:08 PM EDT
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You do not want to live in Venice or Brooklyn, Illinois - unless you like the hood. Their main industry is strip clubs, prostitution, and drugs. Main product is low-lifes. Any where in the general vicintiy of the city of East St. Louis is BAD.
The commute to the airport from the general vicinity of the Chrysler plant is about 35 or 40 minutes on a good day. Good days are Saturday, Sunday, and national holidays. You will be reasonably close to the site of the AR15.com BRC. If you live south of Fenton, costs will be lower. There is a lot of new construction all around, and in that area you should be able to find about anything you want. You can live north of Fenton in Ellisville, Ballwin, or Manchester to reduce the airport commute and still remain close to Fenton. Stay away from Machester west of I-270; the traffic is horrible 7 days a week. Ranges - From Fenton you will be very close to the Henges range at the Forest 44 Conservation area just west of Fenton on the south side of I-44. The Gemmer gun club has a range at Pacific - a very active muzzle loader club. There is a range at Busch Wildlife area in St. Charles county, and unsupervised ranges at Logan Conservation Area north of Troy, Mo. (a long way from Fenton), and at Reifsnider Conservation Area between Wright City and Warrenton(pretty far to drive). There are probably conservation ranges south in Jefferson County, but I haven't checked since that is out of my normal prowl. There are a couple of places in the area that deal in Class 3 arms. C&S Metallwerkes in St. Charles has a flyer that explains the process - not hard, just takes some time and about $200. All of the dealers will help aquire the permit. Babes - there are too many for any one guy to work through. Just remember, don't be shy - if you approach one, you're not going to die if you get turned down (except maybe east of the Mississippi River). Move on, there are plenty to go around. IT offices are loaded with womenz. My pesonal opinion, biased from being raised in southwest Missouri, is that the city sucks, and I don't have much use for any of the region east of Lindbergh. But that's just my preference. |
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Posted: 3/6/2002 7:26:50 PM EDT
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Qbang, if you check any towns out in Illinois you need to go farther east. Brooklyn, venice, East St. Louis,are all crappy bad neighborhoods to put it nicely. All of the towns on the MO and IL sides of the river near st louis are garbage. For MO and IL both states are nice when u get away from the city. I'm partial to the rural areas though just my opinion. Plenty of clubs and stuff to do you can party down at the landing on the riverfront until they shutdown then head east across the river if you want to party till the sun comes up. Also have some riverboat casinos.
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Posted: 3/7/2002 4:17:15 AM EDT
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I have a great deal of knowledge of Fenton. Im a regional bank director at a local branch in Fenton. I grew up in that area and went to highschool that had fenton in our district. About 10 years ago Fenton was a industrial area with the Chrysler plant and lots of warehouses. Since then it has turned into a very nice suburban area. It still has its country attitudes but with great businesses going in. There are new apartment complexes on gravois (Hwy 30), one of the names is Polo Downs. Housing costs are reasonable. Fenton is situated between Sunset Hills ($500,000 and up) and unincorporated Jefferson county(hilly rural area that is very gun friendly. They have a wonderful gun store called Denny Dennis Sporting Goods.
Fenton is located at a hub of highways for easy access to any part of st louis, Hwy 30, 44, 141. In the city is a indoor shooting range that you can rent full auto or any other gun you might want to try. It was just profiled on our local newspapers website www.stltoday.com, its name is the bulls eye if you want to do a search. I think you will love fenton. Where will you be working? |
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Posted: 3/7/2002 5:06:52 AM EDT
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Arnold has a great gunclub.
Take 55 south to exit 185. Membership is $250 a year but it's worth it. They have alot of cool stuff, steel plates, IPSC matches, cowboy matches, clay birds... Full auto is fully accepted here. |
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Posted: 3/7/2002 5:16:57 AM EDT
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Another reason not to live in Illinois for you is crossing the river at rushhour. No fun.
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Posted: 3/7/2002 5:27:35 AM EDT
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Ditto what's been said ref Venice & Brooklyn. If consider IL look near Columbia so trip across
river isn't as bad. I'd suggest around Fenton too in order to save time. Should be able to find plenty of reasonable housing within 20 miles. One plus is you won't be too far from AR15.COM's Black Rifle Convention May 31-June . It will be about 50-60 miles north of the StL airport. estim no more than 2 hrs from Fenton |
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Posted: 3/7/2002 7:44:30 AM EDT
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Q: St.Louis is pretty nice, I was born and raised in south St. Louis, and pretty much enjoyed it until I expanded my horizons. There's some pretty good advice already posted here, and I can't add any more, since I moved away in 1989 and only go back to visit once or twice a year. However, here's three pieces of advice-especially if you're planning on living in Fenton:
STAY OUT OF THE MEREMAC RIVER FLOODPLAIN STAY OUT OF THE MEREMAC RIVER FLOODPLAIN STAY OUT OF ANY FLOODPLAIN IN MISSOURI If you don't heed this advice, it WILL come back to bite you in the ass, and I will likely see you on TV lamenting about losing everything. |
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Posted: 3/7/2002 12:05:30 PM EDT
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After reading all the replys there are two things that I want to point out and strongly suggest that our other AR15'ers have pointed out.
The Italian food on "the hill" can't be beat. STAY OUT OF THE MEREMAC RIVER FLOODPLAIN If you listen to anything...keep those to things in mind and you will love it there. Riz |
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Posted: 3/7/2002 1:49:47 PM EDT
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OK guys I think i have found a nice place to live.The rent is not too bad.Im a young guy dont make a lot of money.:) Ill give you the address, so you can tell me if its in the MEREMAC RIVER FLOODPLAIN.Its the Greenmar Apartments, 1054 Green Mountain Court
Fenton, MO 63026. If you know what they are like please let me know.And let me know if its in the floodplain. You guy have been a very big help to me! Thank you all very much. |
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Posted: 3/7/2002 2:22:17 PM EDT
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It's not in the flood plain, but close enough to fish in the river. Bowfishing for gar is fun on the Meramec. Winter Park is nearby.
Maybe someone that lives down there can reconn the apartments for you. You will also be close to the gun shows at the "Hotel Beirut" - the Stratton Inn on I44 in Fenton. |
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Posted: 3/7/2002 2:54:24 PM EDT
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The complex is decent, but you might have access problems in a flood, unless they've changed things. You should be fine. And, yes, hit "The Hill" ASAFP. Try Tucker's down on 12th St. in Soulard in the city when you get a chance also, and Syberg's down on Gravois by River Des Stink-er, I mean River Des Peres- ain't too shabby for a sports bar. Target rich environment last time I was there.
Here's a saying you'll need to get familiar with: "If you don't like the weather, wait 10 minutes". |
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Posted: 3/7/2002 3:05:36 PM EDT
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Quoted:..... The Italian food on "the hill" can't be beat. ... & then go to Ted Drews for frozen custard...ummmmmmmmm |
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Posted: 3/7/2002 4:09:07 PM EDT
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Im going to get my boss to fly me in sometime next week.I need to check out the operations:)Id like to check out some apt when im down there.Id also like to drive around St Louis to see what its like.Is there any "hoods" that i need to stay out of.I read some where that stl is like the 3rd worst city for crime.
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Posted: 3/8/2002 8:35:00 AM EDT
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quoted:..... The Italian food on "the hill" can't be beat. ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- & then go to Ted Drews for frozen custard...ummmmmmmmm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OMFG I totaly forgot about Ted Drews....Damn I need to go back for a visit. Riz |
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Posted: 3/8/2002 2:38:39 PM EDT
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Jeez! I can't believe I forgot about Ted Drewes also. (and there is even one next to the high school I went to!) Try the Hawaiian-can't be beat. It's also a great place to shop for a Christmas tree. Regardless, if you're looking for social atmospheres, that's certainly it. Bad 'hoods? [pistol] Plenty. Watch yer ass anytime you're north of downtown and either side of Hwy. 70 until you get past the airport. Best bet is to stick to downtown, the South Side, and South County. The area out by Westport Plaza is pretty good too, but lots of snooty bitches when I lived there. Preferred to stay on the South Side. [beer]
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