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Posted: 3/4/2002 5:59:36 PM EDT
I currently live in eastern Pennsylvania, and I HAVE TO get out. I can't stand it here any longer, New York is slowly oozing it's way south and Jersey it's way west. The "New Yawk" attitude is like a disease - poisoning and multiplying it's way to me, I have to leave... So, I am calling on the vast knowledge of the AR-15.com family to help me out in my time of need - what state should I move to? Here is what I want: (in order of importance) 1) Low Taxes 2) Good schools, hospitals, ect.. 3) Very Un-restrictive gun laws. 4) Low crime rate 7) Warm climate - I hate the cold, Absolutely F'ing hate it. 6) Low Population Above all I want it to be a very Conservative area. ( I did not list that because no primarily liberal areas would be able to fit that criteria) I want to have strangers smile and say, "Good morning" when you pass them on the street. It to be a good place to raise a family. On the coast would be nice but it's not all that important. Thank you oh yea, Good paying jobs must be available, I will have a B.S. in Business Administration - specifically Accounting.
Link Posted: 3/4/2002 6:06:14 PM EDT
[img]www.ar15.com/members/albums/SPECTRE%2FarizonaCx%5Fc%2Egif[/img] ARIZONA [:D]
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Link Posted: 3/4/2002 6:11:05 PM EDT
Bliss
Link Posted: 3/4/2002 6:15:40 PM EDT
Thats like saying.... I want a large heavy hitting caliber, but I don't want much recoil..... I want a fast car, but I want good gas mileage.... I want a hot girl, but she's got to have a head on her..... Ya get my point? Can't have a pro without a con, vise versa.
Link Posted: 3/4/2002 6:17:17 PM EDT
[b]mojo[/b] knows where it's at - it's Texas! Conservative as all get-out. No state income tax. Low property tax. Great looking womenz. We send our gays to the left coast. Just keep enough in the big cities for fixing our great looking womenz' hair and interior decorating purposes only! Liberals need not apply! Close to the Border, so fast getaways are not out of the question. Class III rules in this state. Easy CCW laws. Gun shows literally every weekend! Gun culture rules. Did I mention great looking womenz? Eric The(TexasChamberOfCommerce)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 3/4/2002 6:27:18 PM EDT
No state income tax [in Texas].
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Sounds like a winner. Of course, I might just be overly sensitive to state income taxes considering I just finished my state tax return, and I have to pay, a lot. I don't get it. I work seven days per week most weeks and my wife still works 30 hours per week, but we don't have much to show for it. Frustrating considering I pay more in state income taxes than I have to spent on luxuries like a car or better food (steak vs. bologna).z
Link Posted: 3/4/2002 6:33:19 PM EDT
Sounds like you would fit in well in southside Virginia! Only cold for about a month out of a year, class 3 state, open carry and shall issue...the only thing bad is 1 gun a month law (I wish I was affected by it0 [:D]
Link Posted: 3/4/2002 6:50:43 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/4/2002 7:01:03 PM EDT
North Florida (number one choice) South Carolina Georgia (exclude Atlanta) Alabama Mississippi All meet your criteria except good schools Idaho Utah Wyoming All meet your criteria except its friggin cold
Link Posted: 3/4/2002 7:01:12 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/4/2002 7:03:45 PM EDT
Why, the State of Intoxication, of course! [beer]
Link Posted: 3/4/2002 7:10:35 PM EDT
Obviously TEXAS!!!!!! Now, it's just a question of where in Texas is the best, excepting some sections of Austin and Dallas which were imported from Californica.
Link Posted: 3/4/2002 7:13:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By QCMGR: Bliss
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Dam....!!! Beaten to the punch once again!!!!
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Texas Houston/Galveston area. Great layout with lots of good food, women, and things to do. Can't beat it.
Link Posted: 3/4/2002 7:46:33 PM EDT
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Pick the state with the best guns laws. All other concerns are secondary. States NOT to move to: Mass. N.J. Calif. Best (most lienient) states: Penn. All others, I'm not sure about but think they fall somewhere in between. Ohio sucks but livable. Haven't heard the aftermath of the Hamilton county judge who declared anti-carry laws unconstitutional. I know you now live in Pa. Think you should reconsider.
Link Posted: 3/4/2002 8:12:49 PM EDT
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I've been keeping my weather eye out for favorable conditions elsewhere. A quick word about Las Vegas. I read in todays paper [url]www.pressdemocrat.com[/url] about a crisis in malpractice insurance that is causing the majority of doctors to shut their practices down and move out because malpractice lawsuits and insurance have gone way out of control. (Edited to say I don't see the story online) Oregon, I'm starting to wonder about. I've heard a few too many stories that are just strange. Jury's out on that one. My main issue with Nevada, Texas, Arizona is that I need to be able to look around and see trees, green growing things and bodies of water once in a while. Even just a creek. Been through Nevada and can't afford Alpine Village.
Link Posted: 3/4/2002 8:20:38 PM EDT
move anywhere you want just not where I'm at(don't take it personal)plenty o' Kalifornia tree huggin scum here.Somebody posted Lost Wages Nevada try that scum heaven first....good luck.
Link Posted: 3/4/2002 9:17:05 PM EDT
Idaho is kinda nice. Fly fishing, golf, 2nd ammendment friendly. But it can get cold. Utah is ok, if you don't like the cold, St George generally stays pretty warm.
Link Posted: 3/4/2002 9:24:44 PM EDT
Not that anyone will take me seriously, but.... SOUTH DAKOTA! 1) Low Taxes 2) Good schools, hospitals, ect.. 3) Very Un-restrictive gun laws. 4) Low crime rate 7) Warm climate - I hate the cold, Absolutely F'ing hate it. 6) Low Population 1 - yep 2 - yep 3 - yep 4 - yep 7 - uhh, buy a very warm coat and you'll be okay on those below zero days... 6 - definitely where did you get your numbering system there? Anyway, thought I had to represent my state of residency since I am like the only person from here that posts....
Link Posted: 3/4/2002 9:25:27 PM EDT
Axel- Check out the Wahoe Valley/Lake area south of Reno. Water veiws and reasonably affordable. We are looking to buy there in the next couple years. Of course we have to hope that those old liberal Californians retiring to Vegas start dying off. Hell, Gore almost won the state. Now if we could just make San Francisco and LA their own states, California would be the best state.
Link Posted: 3/4/2002 9:33:13 PM EDT
Mississippi has most of what you want. Spend some time here and you'll be saying "I hate humidity and mosquitos, absolutely F'ing hate them". You have to take the bad with the good. You won't find a nicer bunch of folks to live with, for the most part. We don't have big cities, so no one is around to treat you like they live in one; if ya know what I mean.
Link Posted: 3/4/2002 9:34:16 PM EDT
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Oregon, I'm starting to wonder about. I've heard a few too many stories that are just strange. Jury's out on that one.
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Nope, all the stories are true. Each and every one of them. And it rains, all the time, never-ending rain. (but only 12 months out of the year...)
Link Posted: 3/5/2002 7:00:12 AM EDT
There has to be as least one trade off. Get a couple of wood stoves and move to VT. We have no CCW laws, because we don't need them. You can have what you want, and are only restricted in carry by the weight of the firearm. (not in court houses or inside schools or post offices, we are working on that). We have great warm weather the third Thursday in July! Stay away from Burlington, our socialist center, and you will be fine.
Link Posted: 3/5/2002 7:34:37 AM EDT
Forget #7 and move to Alaska or Forget #3 and move to Hawaii or TEXAS!
Link Posted: 3/5/2002 8:34:38 AM EDT
Northern New Mexico...mountains, trees, rivers and lakes, very green and very nice. When winter comes, head south to Albuquerque so you can snow ski in the AM, drive 10 minutes and play 18 holes in the afternoon? New Mexico is so gunfriendly we have a type of carry named for us....NM Carry! In addition, if you have a modicum of ability and a good work ethic, you will be a sought after commodity and able to write your own ticket in the job market. The salaries seem higher compared to elsewhere due to the low cost of living. The only downside is that Texans feel that New Mexico is just another county in west Texas and are always under foot.[:D]
Link Posted: 3/5/2002 8:50:15 AM EDT
I just can't believe it. A give-away, and Garandman hasn't shown to say it. Okay, G-man, I'll do it for you, you must be powerful busy somewhere else:
What is the best state to live in?
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"Grace"
Link Posted: 3/5/2002 9:51:13 AM EDT
I was born in Southeastern PA. I currently live in TX, but before here, lived in AZ. You can't go wrong with either TX or AZ, both of which should meet your requirements. Texas' taxes are lower, but Arizona's weather is better.
Link Posted: 3/5/2002 10:02:29 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Axel: My main issue with Nevada, Texas, Arizona is that I need to be able to look around and see trees, green growing things and bodies of water once in a while. Even just a creek. Been through Nevada and can't afford Alpine Village.
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You know, of course you can find most ANY kind of terrain in Texas. You want trees? Try the Piney Woods, East Texas, Crockett National Forest, all that. Or the Texas Hill country, west of Austin and San Antonio.
Link Posted: 3/5/2002 10:08:59 AM EDT
The Houston/Galveston Texas area has everything your looking for except for the low population. The rush hour traffic is bad but not as bad as some other big cities.
Link Posted: 3/5/2002 10:20:14 AM EDT
WASHINGTON STATE. Pros: Beautiful country. Mountains; desert; ocean; rivers; trees; rain forest. Weather is mostly mild and it does rain for 9 months of the year. We get heat and snow, too. Eastern Washington is the 'right' side of the State. Canada is close, if you want to go to a different country. Oregon is close, if you want to go to a different country... Idaho is right next door to the east. Hunting and fishing are good here. CCW laws are "shall issue". If Washington were a country, I think it would be the 5th most powerful nation on Earth... Cons: The Governor is a Democrat. The State Legislature is Democrat. Seattle is the San Francisco of the North; or NorthKalifornistan, depending on how you look at it. WAY too many liberals in the Greater Seattle area. Did I mention there are too many liberals here? Oh.
Link Posted: 3/5/2002 11:51:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Cypher214: Mississippi has most of what you want. Spend some time here and you'll be saying "I hate humidity and mosquitos, absolutely F'ing hate them". You have to take the bad with the good. You won't find a nicer bunch of folks to live with, for the most part. We don't have big cities, so no one is around to treat you like they live in one; if ya know what I mean.
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Don't forget the catfish wrastlin'!
Link Posted: 3/5/2002 11:59:03 AM EDT
Arizona! Texas is too hot. We have no good looking women. Gun prices are too high. None of these other guys know what they are talking about, we have a huge state income tax. All of the gunshows suck. Full of liberals. Gun laws are terrible. You can't get a signoff for machineguns. We don't get snow, only ice. Crime is rampant. Most people still ride horses. I would recommend any state but Texas and California! [:)] (Texas guys: What the hell are yall trying to do, fill this place up?)
Link Posted: 3/5/2002 4:37:12 PM EDT
OK...here comes the Florida plug. Northwest Florida (west of Tallahassee). Republicans outnumber Dems 5 to 1, west of Tallahassee..here in Okaloosa county (Destin, Ft. Walton bch.) it's 8 to 1. The beach. CCW, yes, yes. Guns, yes, yes. Weather: It's Florida. The beach, sugar white sand and carribean blue Gulf water. 2 Air Force bases within 10 miles of each other, Ranger camp is also located here. SO we "feel" secure with the 33rd TFW and Hurlburt field's Spec Ops C-130's.. Rated as one of the top 10 places to live in the U.S. for 9 years in a row. The beach... We have been rated as the top scholastic scoring in ALL three education groups in our State consistently for years...Elementary, Middle and High schools. The lowest crime rates in the SOUTHEAST not just the state of Florida..must be the military presence that helps.[:D] The beach... The secret has gotten out over the past few years about our area...there has been somewhat of a population boom of sorts. Especially from those who have lived elsewhere for the majority of their lives. This is not a retirement area..it is a mid-income, middle America hideaway...and alot of people end up here to escape the rest of the U.S. It is a paradise for a lot of reasons. The beach...and it's still in the SOUTH! Which means, common sense, not non-sense rules MOST of the day.. There is a pocket of liberals that lives in Walton county...they have their own little left-wing, commie, orgy town they have built. Every election they cannot understand why we "locals" cling to "old-fashioned" and conservative values. We usually tell them to KMA through the editorials and media...most whom are from NY, Cali,Ohio and other liberal bastions. ALL of our elected officials are Republican except for 1 state congessman from Walton county... Soooooooo, when you moving here? [:D] [b][blue]NAKED[/blue][/b]
Link Posted: 3/5/2002 4:55:36 PM EDT
I second Naked-Gunmans remarks... NW Florida. Pensacola (Escambia) doesn't have as good a job market as Okaloosa or Walton county from what I have been looking at. If this state service tax passes, FL might minus some points.
Link Posted: 3/6/2002 6:39:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By AcidGambit: I second Naked-Gunmans remarks... NW Florida. Pensacola (Escambia) doesn't have as good a job market as Okaloosa or Walton county from what I have been looking at. If this state service tax passes, FL might minus some points.
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However, on the down side, you may end up with Janet Reno as your governor.
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New Hampshire.
Link Posted: 3/6/2002 9:19:39 AM EDT
San Antonio TX. cheap cost of living. lots of jobs. cheap housing. lots of places to shoot.
Link Posted: 3/12/2002 10:59:42 AM EDT
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This is an interesting thread. I'm thinking of moving my family out of Kalifornistan. The original author's list of requirements pretty much exactly match my own. I'm eyeing the Mountain States, maybe Wyoming, Arizona, or Utah. Those three are at the top of my list right now. Concerns I have are mainly what kind of job I can get. I'm in the software development field. Probably not much of that in Wisconsin.
Link Posted: 3/12/2002 7:51:43 PM EDT
Born and raised in Texas. Lived in East Texas most of my life and love it. Lived near the panhandle next to the Red River too. Nice arid climate out west but I prefer the Bass fishing in East Texas.
Link Posted: 3/12/2002 9:36:18 PM EDT
Well I can see I'm going to going to have to get around a little. But, I may be staying In California a while longer than I was thinking a few months ago. My M-K reciever will be on its way soon to console me until the day I can go after an AR-10. All you Oregonians, wouldn't you guys want more voters like us to slow down the liberalization going on up there? Or is it pointless to even talk about it?
Link Posted: 3/12/2002 9:45:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Kingme: Pick the state with the best guns laws. All other concerns are secondary. States NOT to move to: Mass. N.J. Calif. Best (most lienient) states: Penn. All others, I'm not sure about but think they fall somewhere in between. Ohio sucks but livable. Haven't heard the aftermath of the Hamilton county judge who declared anti-carry laws unconstitutional. I know you now live in Pa. Think you should reconsider.
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Man,you really should have put Maryland in your list,its like being in China,too damn many communist democrats! [b]Come for my guns...I'll give ya the bullets first!![/b][50]
Link Posted: 3/12/2002 10:04:11 PM EDT
Axel, east TX is for you pal. The rest of you may come as you wish, however in order that we maintain our nice quiet little towns, don't forget to go home when the vacation is over. If this request was not made, soon the US would consist of Texas and....... well, Texas. Not looking to hurt anybodies feelings with that. This is absolutely the best place to be, and I am glad to have the opportunity to let all know. While I am presently looking to move away from Fort Worth, it is exploding with growth, I would recommend it highly to anyone, as it is a wonderful place to live. Just outgrowing my taste. Please ignore the episode of COPS where the so kindly showed the nation one of our wonderful LEO's chasing a chicken around the street. I thought it was hillarious, then realized that it was on national TV.
Link Posted: 3/12/2002 10:30:15 PM EDT
Another one to vouch for NW Florida Panhandle. Bordered by southern Alabama and Southern Georgia. Rural conservative gun-friendly/low low crime best looking beaches on the Redneck Riviera
Link Posted: 3/25/2002 9:08:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ratters: Axel- Check out the Wahoe Valley/Lake area south of Reno. Water veiws and reasonably affordable. We are looking to buy there in the next couple years. Of course we have to hope that those old liberal Californians retiring to Vegas start dying off. Hell, Gore almost won the state. Now if we could just make San Francisco and LA their own states, California would be the best state.
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Would that be the V.C. Highlands? Developing.... [very big grin][:)][/very big grin] The other invites, thanks. It would be alot more tempting if we didn't have the kids/ex to think of, but thanks for the kind words.
Link Posted: 3/25/2002 9:24:14 PM EDT
... For all my adult life I've loved living in Arizona, I still do. However, when I retire it will probably be in rural north western New Mexico.
Link Posted: 3/25/2002 9:50:25 PM EDT
"TEEEXXXXXXAAAASSSS, OUR TEXAS, ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY STATE..."
Link Posted: 3/25/2002 9:55:23 PM EDT
Since I have all the Texans here, any of you know when the next gun show will be in Houston? I'm hoping I'll find a good deal on a pre-ban lower there, though I know this might be wishful thinking. All I've been able to dig up o the net lately are 800-900 dollar Olympic lowers, and that won't cut it.
Link Posted: 3/25/2002 11:53:33 PM EDT
Colorado, I think.
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