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Posted: 2/28/2002 4:19:42 PM EDT
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You are correct. My brother had 2 both 67's.
The RT had the 327. The Z had a 302. Edited to add the following year the 283 became a 302 for the reason of lower compression ratio to run on lo-lead or no lead gasoline. The 327 became the 350. The original 302 Z had it's toughest rival in the 400 CI Chevy. The stock 302 (Zs) had more ventilated heads and longer cams prior to the 68 low compression ratio, but commonly confused with, 302s. Edited again to change 289 to 283. OMG that's almost sacrilege. |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 4:21:32 PM EDT
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Chevy took the 283's crankshaft and put it in the 327's block, added heads from the Corvette's 327, a Holley four-barrel and a high-rise manifold, and voil-the resulting 302-cubic-inch V-8, rated at a conservative 290 horsepower at 5800 rpm... [url]starrworld.com/CarStuff/67-97Z28.asp[/url] |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 4:22:47 PM EDT
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My '69 z had a 302, the last year for them I think. The 70 went to a 350. Wish I still had it..Ts
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Posted: 2/28/2002 4:39:42 PM EDT
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[url]http://home.cox.rr.com/gthomas/gt.htm[/url]
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Posted: 2/28/2002 4:41:49 PM EDT
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Yeah, I was kind of wondering about that 289 thing, Halfcocked.....
I thought Chevy came with the 302 in order to stay under some racing body's cubic inch size restriction. Something about staying under 5.0 cubic liters, with is about 305 cubic inches. They also built 307s which were essentially a 327 crank in a 283 block. These were usually dogs, though, and I suspect were more to just use up old parts. |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 4:43:09 PM EDT
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67, 8, 9 Z-28 302 was for all intents and purposes a Vette 327 375HP with a shorter stroke. Those things would REALLY rev!! Lousy torque but a screamer at big R's!
2.02 intake valves, Aluminum Hi-rise, Holley, solid cam. Small journal in 67, large after. Later ones had guide plate heads - all had "O" rockers. They were delivered from the factory with the headers uncorked!! Somebody had a sense of humor! All were 4 spd, many had disk brakes in rear. 4 piston same as Vette until 69. Ahhhhh, the memories! |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 4:58:24 PM EDT
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Quoted: Edited to add the following year the 283 became a 302 for the reason of lower compression ratio to run on lo-lead or no lead gasoline. The 327 became the 350. Having had a couple back then, the low compression follow-on to the 283 was called a "307" inch engine. A 327 crankshaft in a 283 bore block. The "302" was a 327 block with a 283 crank. There was no comparison between the two engines. 307 was a low-rpm torque motor. 302 was Heaven. |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 5:35:34 PM EDT
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302 in a Camaro? I thought the 302 was a Ford engine and that Chevy/GM used 305s.
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Posted: 2/28/2002 5:43:16 PM EDT
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Arock hit it right on the head. Because of the way these were put together you got higher RPMs a lot faster.
FWIW-- Ford also made their own version of the 302. Anybody remember the Boss 302 Mustang?? |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 6:27:26 PM EDT
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Quoted: FWIW-- Ford also made their own version of the 302. Anybody remember the Boss 302 Mustang?? DONR, do you remember the Boss 429?? At least you could change the sparkplugs on the Boss 302. Boss 429 motor had to be unbolted from the motor mounts and jacked-over to get to the rear plugs. One of the many reasons we ran....... . . . . . wait for it..... . . . . . . . . Chevys!!! |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 6:30:22 PM EDT
[#11]
But I drove a Poncho GTO on the street...
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Posted: 2/28/2002 6:36:29 PM EDT
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My ride was ported. polished, and blue-printed 69 Road Runner.
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Posted: 2/28/2002 6:41:43 PM EDT
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my brother had a 57 chevy nomad, and we put a 327 in it with a 4 speed, man that car would go.
aaaaaaaaaaaah the sixtys, where did time go... Bluemax |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 6:53:29 PM EDT
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1969 GTO Judge. Had a few mods. My mentor wrench was Lee Coleman who was Banjo Matthews' NASCAR crew chief. I'll post a pic tomorrow but I have to get it digitized first.
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Posted: 2/28/2002 7:22:15 PM EDT
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Ahem...
[flame][flame][flame][flame][flame][flame] Now that we are ready to talk about real cars...[;D] [flame][flame][flame][flame][flame][flame] I am a bit young for the 60's but, my first [b]FORD[/b] was a 69 Mustang with a (highly worked) 351 Windsor/C4. I embarrased many a Z in those days. (1990 era) That car sparked a decade worth of future [b]FORDS[/b] and Italian Retard Out Cruisin' spankings by an 86 Mustang GT, 96 Mustang GT, 00 Mustang GT Convertable and, in a few months if all goes well, an 03 Cobra. For those of you unfamiliar with the 03 Cobra, let me be the first to break it to you: 6 speeds+supercharger+390HP+less than $35,000=[:D] |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 7:56:18 PM EDT
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FMJunkie, have you seen the pics of the GT40 that they're bringing out??
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Posted: 2/28/2002 9:16:02 PM EDT
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I thought Chevy came with the 302 in order to stay under some racing body's cubic inch size restriction. Something about staying under 5.0 cubic liters, with is about 305 cubic inches. 302 C.I. = 4.948 cubic liters SCCA Trans Am rules permitted an engine no LARGER than 5.00 cubic liters which is 305.115 C.I. The actual CID of the 302 was 301.592 CID (assuming a perfect 3.000in stroke and a perfect 4.000in bore) For anyone who cares, the way to find the true CID of an eight cylinder engine, the formula is bore x stroke x stroke x 2(pi). For a 6 cly or a 4 cyl, you use 1.5(pi) for the 6 and 1(pi) for the 4. Have a nice day! :) |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 9:22:38 PM EDT
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Just to speak as to how tough those little Chev Z-28 motors are, I helped do a roller conversion on an original DZ302 (the 1969 Z-28 motor) With a roller cam (original dimensions), roller lifters, and roller rockers, that motor made 408 HP at 8700 RPM!!! Not bad for an engine that was well over 30 years old.
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Posted: 2/28/2002 9:26:46 PM EDT
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FM,
what was the "Other" 351 Ford had? It's on the tip of my tongue...windsor and cleveland?? Is that right? And DON...Roadrunner...unreal car. What was the other Dodge they had with the roadrunner engine? It was their sleeper muscle car?? Kinda "family" car??That name is also on the tip of my tongue...I had a friend who borrowed his dad's _____ and it had skinny tires and the RR engine...freakin' smoked the tires all night and outran everything we dragged in town. His dad checked the tires the next morning..my friend did'nt get drive that car again until he went to college. It's was a puke/forrest green fugly looking car. |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 9:28:32 PM EDT
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Quoted: Ahem... Now that we are ready to talk about real cars...[;D] I am a bit young for the 60's but, my first [b]FORD[/b] was a 69 Mustang with a (highly worked) 351 Windsor/C4. I embarrased many a Z in those days. (1990 era) That car sparked a decade worth of future [b]FORDS[/b] and Italian Retard Out Cruisin' spankings by an 86 Mustang GT, 96 Mustang GT, 00 Mustang GT Convertable and, in a few months if all goes well, an 03 Cobra. For those of you unfamiliar with the 03 Cobra, let me be the first to break it to you: 6 speeds+supercharger+390HP+less than $35,000=[:D] Thank YOU! Ford's RULE. The '03 Cobra is not only going to suck the headlights out of Ram Airs and SS Camaros, it is going to spank the Corvette. Watch and see..... |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 9:34:54 PM EDT
[#21]
One of my old drinking buddies had a '69 Z/28 with the original DZ 302 in it. With a mild roller cam, some carb and ignition work, and a set of Hooker Headers it would twist 8500 anytime you wanted to. He had 4.88 gears in the back and a set of sticky McCrearys on the back and it was an absolute blast to drive. It pulled mid-hi 12's at the track in street trim. Those were the days-then I got married.
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Posted: 2/28/2002 9:35:11 PM EDT
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My first car was a '68 Camaro...with the big 250 ci inline 6 engine!!!!! To hook all the horses to the road I had a 2 speed "powerglide" tranny, damn that was a POS!
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Posted: 2/28/2002 11:20:01 PM EDT
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Quoted: FM, what was the "Other" 351 Ford had? It's on the tip of my tongue...windsor and cleveland?? Is that right? They also had one called the 351M ("M" stood for "modified") but it was mostly used in LTD's and light trucks. The Windsor was considered a small block, the Cleveland sort of a big block. And DON...Roadrunner...unreal car. What was the other Dodge they had with the roadrunner engine? It was their sleeper muscle car?? Kinda "family" car??That name is also on the tip of my tongue...I had a friend who borrowed his dad's _____ and it had skinny tires and the RR engine...freakin' smoked the tires all night and outran everything we dragged in town. His dad checked the tires the next morning..my friend did'nt get drive that car again until he went to college. It's was a puke/forrest green fugly looking car. The Dodge answer to the RR was the Super Bee. The only exclusive "RR" engine was a slightly hopped 383. Chrysler, unlike other companies, installed essentially stock, non-special (other than cam, exhaust, intake/carb) engines in their performance cars. By this I mean that a 1969 383 RR engine had exactly the same head castings as a 440 Six Pack engine, as were used on a 383 2bbl in a Plymouth Fury. Cranks, blocks, head castings were standard stuff. Of course, valve springs, cams, carbs, intakes, exhaust manifolds, and other "bolt on" stuff were special and were the only real difference. One exception is 440 Six Pack crank shafts and connecting rods. The advantage to this is your average poor shmo could lift a 440 out of a New Yorker, throw in a cam and external bolt-ons, and have a genuine high perf setup. Chevy had crap heads on their mundane engines as did Ford, and as for cranks and rods, well, NOBODY built regular old engines as stoutly as did Chrysler. Today this means no hunting around for special (expensive) "double hump" or "angle plug" Chevy heads, just slap on any old 1968-1973 head and you're pretty much there with a Mopar big block. All rods are incredibly strong and all crank shafts through 1971 were forged (not cast). Each brand had its advantages, and Mopar's advantage was its engines. |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 11:32:39 PM EDT
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'68 Firebird with a Poncho 400. It is my current project. Picked up a ralatively clean ride for $1800 and will have it running in about 6 months for a total of about $5000(purchase and all). Numbers match, body is good, wiring sucks, interior is average, and the torque is phenominal. Cannot wait!!
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Posted: 2/28/2002 11:53:32 PM EDT
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I wish I still had my 1968 Chevy El Camino,
454 (had a 396 originaly), 12 bolt 4.11 posi rear, TH400, air, power seat, power windows, Craiger rims, what a nice car to ride around in SoCal in the late 70's while in high school. |
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Posted: 3/1/2002 12:16:23 AM EDT
[#26]
If I remember correctly, the 302 was a 283 block with a 265 crank.
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Posted: 3/1/2002 12:24:40 AM EDT
[#27]
Quoted: If I remember correctly, the 302 was a 283 block with a 265 crank. Nope, HiPo 327 block, and HiPo 283 crank. |
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Posted: 3/1/2002 3:43:59 AM EDT
[#28]
Quoted: '68 Firebird with a Poncho 400. It is my current project. Picked up a ralatively clean ride for $1800 and will have it running in about 6 months for a total of about $5000(purchase and all). Numbers match, body is good, wiring sucks, interior is average, and the torque is phenominal. Cannot wait!! Yessir! I've got a'67 4-spd awaiting engine transplant as we speak. |
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Posted: 3/1/2002 4:26:05 AM EDT
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Lemme guess, getting a 455. I wish I had a 4-speed, but this critter is an auto. I will probably rectify this one day, but for now I want to DRIVE it!!
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Posted: 3/1/2002 4:32:54 AM EDT
[#30]
Quoted: My first car was a '68 Camaro...with the big 250 ci inline 6 engine!!!!! To hook all the horses to the road I had a 2 speed "powerglide" tranny, damn that was a POS! Wolf, small world my friend. My first car was a 68 with the 250 straight 6. Only difference was my car had the manual 3 speed. It didn't last long in the car before it was yanked out and replaced with a small block V8. I guess the old man knew what he was doing though. Start me out with a 6cyl and once I proved myself, dropped a V8 in it. I thought it was unfair at the time because he had a 70 LS5 Chevelle.... |
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Posted: 3/1/2002 4:40:26 AM EDT
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I owned a new 67 super sport with a rally pac (fold away lights). It had a 350 that I had major work done on. The new 850 cfm dual line Holly had just come out for the quadrajet. Before that you needed an adapter. It had Mickey Thosmpson pop up pistons, Headman headers, Manley (sp) full race cam. Got 5.5 mpg. Wish I still had it!
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Posted: 3/1/2002 4:43:39 AM EDT
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I seem to recall that just owning a camaro was a 50 deduct on the IQ test. And worse yet, was the 75 point deduct for owning a trans am. [;)]
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Posted: 3/1/2002 5:00:40 AM EDT
[#33]
Quoted: And DON...Roadrunner...unreal car. What was the other Dodge they had with the roadrunner engine? It was their sleeper muscle car?? Kinda "family" car??That name is also on the tip of my tongue...I had a friend who borrowed his dad's _____ and it had skinny tires and the RR engine...freakin' smoked the tires all night and outran everything we dragged in town. His dad checked the tires the next morning..my friend did'nt get drive that car again until he went to college. It's was a puke/forrest green fugly looking car. My brother had a '67 Coronet R/T. Talk about a sleeper. Light weight two door with a 440 stuffed in it. We don't think the left rear spark plug was EVER replaced until we pulled the motor. Re-ring, bearings, purple shaft cam (only real performance mod) did the trick. With a stock automatic it could chirp 2nd and 3rd without even trying. Man that was TORQUE! |
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Posted: 3/1/2002 6:29:17 AM EDT
[#34]
Four words: MOPAR or NO car.
I had to sell my orange '70 Challenger R/T last year :( Some sherrif's deputy in El Dorado, Kansas has it now. Man I miss that car bad :( |
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Posted: 3/1/2002 7:14:49 AM EDT
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Quoted: If I remember correctly, the 302 was a 283 block with a 265 crank. 265 and 283 had same crankshaft dimensions. 283 had larger bore. 302 was a 327 block with a 283 crank. Had one car with a 265 engine. A 1956 Chevy 150 sedan. Stripped it down to the bone. Jacked WAAAY up. Light. Straight front axle. 5.12 gears. 265 had 2x4 barrels off a 283 Vette, cam, Power-Pak heads, 12.5:1, fender well headers, close-ratio 2.20 Muncie etc. Raced it around Texas in the mid-60's. Most fun times were at Caddo Mills, Green Valley, Cedar Hill, and Little River. Caddo Mills was unbelievable...old WW2 airstrip where we ran 6 at a time and the flagman looked for the safest gap to stand. Pit fights were legendary. If only my kids could do stuff like that. |
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Posted: 3/1/2002 7:17:09 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: And DON...Roadrunner...unreal car. What was the other Dodge they had with the roadrunner engine? It was their sleeper muscle car?? Kinda "family" car??That name is also on the tip of my tongue...I had a friend who borrowed his dad's _____ and it had skinny tires and the RR engine...freakin' smoked the tires all night and outran everything we dragged in town. His dad checked the tires the next morning..my friend did'nt get drive that car again until he went to college. It's was a puke/forrest green fugly looking car. My brother had a '67 Coronet R/T. Talk about a sleeper. Light weight two door with a 440 stuffed in it. We don't think the left rear spark plug was EVER replaced until we pulled the motor. Re-ring, bearings, purple shaft cam (only real performance mod) did the trick. With a stock automatic it could chirp 2nd and 3rd without even trying. Man that was TORQUE! You beat me to it! My dad had a 68 Coronet R/T. It was B-5 blue, and one of only 17 ever built (he ordered it this way) with the Hemi option, Bench seat, and Torqueflite trans with COLUMN shift rather then the usual split with console. That was the true family car/sleeper. He said my mom used to drive it..I couldn't even imagine that. I just remember those big ass round marker lights in the fenders. Kewl!!!! Someday, I WILL have one. That is one of my life goals. My mom bought a 67 Firebird from a guy in 1980 for $300 (I was 10 yrs old). It was gold with gold interior, black vinyl top, 327 2bbl, and mint with 27,000 miles. No rust anywhere, even had the factory hub cabs yet. I was supposed to get it when I got my DL. I slammed the door shut one summer when it was really hot and it broke the drivers side window. Us being very poor at the time, she didn't have money to fix it so she sold it...for $300. Whhhhaaaaaaaaaa! Man, cars are almost as cool as AR's! |
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Posted: 3/1/2002 8:26:48 AM EDT
[#37]
Quoted: FMJunkie, have you seen the pics of the GT40 that they're bringing out?? Yes I have! I don't know what kind of price tag they're looking at one that but, I'm sure its right in line with the "supercar" market. (i.e., way too much for me) BTW, nice to see ya! Hope everything is good with you. |
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Posted: 3/1/2002 8:28:17 AM EDT
[#38]
Quoted: FM, what was the "Other" 351 Ford had? It's on the tip of my tongue...windsor and cleveland?? Is that right? And DON...Roadrunner...unreal car. What was the other Dodge they had with the roadrunner engine? It was their sleeper muscle car?? Kinda "family" car??That name is also on the tip of my tongue...I had a friend who borrowed his dad's _____ and it had skinny tires and the RR engine...freakin' smoked the tires all night and outran everything we dragged in town. His dad checked the tires the next morning..my friend did'nt get drive that car again until he went to college. It's was a puke/forrest green fugly looking car. W, C and M heads - Windsor (canada plant), Cleveland, and Muncie. Cleveland was definitely the most popular... |
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Posted: 3/1/2002 8:31:35 AM EDT
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Quoted: They also had one called the 351M ("M" stood for "modified") but it was mostly used in LTD's and light trucks. The Windsor was considered a small block, the Cleveland sort of a big block. You know what, I think you are right. I could swear I remember reading that it was the manufacture plant designation of Muncie though. I think I am starting to get old... |
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Posted: 3/1/2002 9:49:53 AM EDT
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Highlandmac says
I seem to recall that just owning a camaro was a 50 deduct on the IQ test. And worse yet, was the 75 point deduct for owning a trans am. You are right, that 50pts lower led me to an SK. However, I sold that one to a friend and bought 1k of 223ammo. I jumped 20 points. |
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Posted: 3/1/2002 9:51:45 AM EDT
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by the by HighlandMac, I grew up in villa Rica, west of Atlanta.
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Posted: 3/1/2002 2:35:31 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: They also had one called the 351M ("M" stood for "modified") but it was mostly used in LTD's and light trucks. The Windsor was considered a small block, the Cleveland sort of a big block. You know what, I think you are right. I could swear I remember reading that it was the manufacture plant designation of Muncie though. I think I am starting to get old... Hehehe... my first job was at an auto parts store!! BTW, lots of people used to think the "M" engine meant Milwaukee. The Windsor engines were very similar to the 289/302, the Clevelands were somewhat like the 390/428 (if my memory is correct) and the "M" engine had a 400ci cousin. My personal Ford favorites were the Boss 429 and the ultra rare 427 SOHC. Still, I'd take a good old Chrysler 426 Hemi any day! The Hemi was to muscle car engines as the Barret M82A1 is to rifles. |
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Posted: 3/1/2002 4:20:54 PM EDT
[#43]
Yeah, I remember the 302 CID Z-28's... I test-drove a '69 with the 4-wheel discs. I did end up with a '70 Boss 302 (which I managed to keep, and still own today).
The (stock) Z28 and Boss 302 were both rated at a conservative 290 BHP from the factory, no doubt to confuse the EPA and insurance scrutineers of the day. The Z-28 was faster off the line due to the Ford's oversized cylinder head porting. The engines were 302 CID to keep them within the 5-litre displacement limit set forth by the SCCA as a prerequisite for homologation. Ironically, Mopar (both Plymouth and Dodge) didn't have production engines that small, but were permitted to de-stroke to meet the requirements. A friend of mine's brother was on the pit crew of Buffalo State Teachers College race team, which ran a Competition Orange full-chat '69 Z... I had fun going with them to the Trans Am race at Watkins Glen (can you say, "Pit Pass?"), perhaps in 1970?? Maybe '71... Too bad my pics are slides... wish I could share them here. Gus: I noticed your avatar... do you own that AAR 'Cuda? I seem to remember Gurney running a pair of them back in '70 in the Series... FITTER out |
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Posted: 3/1/2002 5:57:26 PM EDT
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Quoted: I seem to recall that just owning a camaro was a 50 deduct on the IQ test. And worse yet, was the 75 point deduct for owning a trans am. [;)] [beer] EGADS! I may just be stupidest person on these forums![:D] |
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Posted: 3/1/2002 6:06:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I seem to recall that just owning a camaro was a 50 deduct on the IQ test. And worse yet, was the 75 point deduct for owning a trans am. [;)] [beer] EGADS! I may just be stupidest person on these forums![:D] I am sorry everyone about the IQ joke. It is from my not to old days in the car business, and I couldn't resist! The funny part I was working for a GM store and that was the attitude we had towards our own product and customers. [beer] I am so happy to be out of the damn car business!! |
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Posted: 3/1/2002 6:58:41 PM EDT
[#46]
No offense taken. I won't even go into my mustang tirade[;)]
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Posted: 3/1/2002 10:22:26 PM EDT
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Quoted: I had fun going with them to the Trans Am race at Watkins Glen (can you say, "Pit Pass?"), perhaps in 1970?? Heh, heh...Watkins Glen 1970...can you say The BOG...can you say Burn the Bus...can you say Mark Donohue and the Sunoco Camaro...I thought you could. |
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Posted: 3/2/2002 6:46:59 AM EDT
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Arock:
Oh, yeah... The Bog!! They stole an idling Greyhound bus and ran it into the Bog, smashed all the windows and tipped it over and BURNED it!!! One of the responses by the Organizers was to BAN entry of ALL motorcycles to the track and campgrounds. I was pissed after driving my brand-new Kawasaki KZ-900 all the way from Buffalo on a Friday night, only to be told that the bike would be impounded and that I could WALK in... I turned around and left. What was I supposed to do... I was to meet friends at a not-predetermined campsite. It would have been fun trying to find them in the dark. I DID go back to the track the following day. When I left after the race, someone had knocked my new bike over onto a BMW within the "secure" bike compound, breaking off the sparkplug on one of the cylinders. (BTW, I ended up totalling that bike) This has absolutely nothing to do with Camaros. FITTER out |
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Posted: 3/2/2002 7:33:04 AM EDT
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Quoted: Gus: I noticed your avatar... do you own that AAR 'Cuda? I seem to remember Gurney running a pair of them back in '70 in the Series... FITTER out I wish it was!! The AAR belongs to a friend of mine, and is absolutely cherry. Over restored, better than new. My current project is a 1970 Charger R/T, but I haven't done anything on it in a while. The plan is to cosmetically restore it, but with a very hopped 440. Most of the hard work is done, but it still needs body work, paint and interior. It "should" run in the high 11's, and possibly into the 10's with nitrous. The engine has already run 10.92 in my recently sold race car with no juice and a single 4bbl carb. I really should get back on it and finish the damn thing - I miss driving cars with way too much horsepower!!! I guess once I finally have enough guns and stuff I'll redirect finances back to it. For now it sits safely in my garage, in a zillion pieces.... Here's a better pic of the Cuda though: [img]www.ar15.com/members/albums/gus%2FAarcuda%2Ejpg[/img] |
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Posted: 3/2/2002 10:51:48 AM EDT
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On the subject of the Chevy 302... Here are the ingredients on how to build a truly cool one.
327 small journal two bolt main block 283 forged crank from a corvette "pink" connecting rods shotpeened and polished stock valves with z-28 springs and keepers in 327 heads, mild porting only. stock 1.5/1 stamped steel rocker arms with the slots opened up a little... stock pushrods shotpeened and polished TRW forged "pop up" pistons with drilled oil passages secret grind ISKY solid lifter cam and lifters, offenhauser two four barrel tunnel ram intake with two 650 holleys on top with velocity stacks, vertex magneto ignition. All of this will give you a 302 CI chevy engine that pulls down 11,000 rpm and 600 hp. If anyone wants the exact specs I'll get them from my dad, he built this engine and used it to drag race a 55 chevy back in the 70's, I have a few pictures of the car pulling the front tires 3 feet off the ground. |
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