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Posted: 2/27/2002 11:44:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/27/2002 11:58:22 AM EDT by tayous1]
What do you think of this war on terrorism? Should we even be doing this? Is this going to become the next Nam? I'll tell you guy's what I think of this war. I just want to say out right now I fully support are men and woman that are fighting this and God bless them all. I think the Taleban got what they deserve and we should also give a little pay back to Somalia and Saddam. But I think we should stop at that this war is going to be a never ending war that we will never be able to win because there are always going to be these type of people out there and if you cut one of the heads off one will grow back just as or more powerfully and want revenge even more. I think if we going to start a war on terrorist we first need to start making are country safer from theses people . make it harder for them to get in these country , have more people armed and aloud to CCW. Let's start off buy having the terrorist think twice about even screwing with the U.S.A. Start having pilots armed let them go to the same training that PD officers go through, Start having military come out and trained people on how they should deal and respond to a terrorist act around where they live. How to build a storage that has food, water ,weapon's and medical supply for long term storage. This would be the best way to star the war on terrorism. I think Bush is going a little to far in this and yes this might become the next Nam. We need to think of what is going on like this. You don't go out and start busting down doors of peoples home because you know they rob houses our are murders and stuff like that right? What you do is you try and make your home safer so they can get in to it, like stronger locks and blots for the doors a security system. That is what the U.S.A. should do make are home safer by tight security around the Borders and on airplanes start cracking down more on illegal immigrants that come in this country. I just fear that if we don't start going more in this direction we will have another terrorist attack them the military will want to start Marshall law and we all don't want that right? But it will be the people how still to this day still think the WTC attack was only luck on the terrorist part and nothing like that will ever happen again. These same people will be going to there local Major.Senet or house of rep's person and saying to them that they fear for there safety and something must be done after the next attack. At this time the people now will want Marshall Law and the president can only do one thing and that will be to make the military and his people happy. I just want to say that if there is a draft for this I will still be one of the first in the line when my county needs me. Also sorry if there are any spelling mistakes or grammar.
Link Posted: 2/27/2002 1:17:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By tayous1: What do you think of this war on terrorism?
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I think the first stage has gone very well overseas, a bit less well at home. I think that homeland security is something we've never had to think about before, so it's been pretty much invent-stuff-as-you-go and mistakes have been made.
Should we even be doing this?
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We don't really have any choice. There's a lot of messes out there and while it would be nice if someone else would clean them up, some of them are starting to affect us all the way over here in America.
Is this going to become the next Nam?
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No.
Link Posted: 2/27/2002 1:22:25 PM EDT
I think the war on terrorism will be about as effective as the war on drugs, and as damaging to our rights and liberty. Airlines are doing their BS feel good useless tactics and searches that just harass the citizens and will have no effect on real terrorists. Sad state of affairs we are in.
Link Posted: 2/27/2002 1:39:12 PM EDT
Failed so far, done nothing much, maybe squashed couple ants, afraid to go to Iraq, Iran, Lebanon. Got screwed by the europeans, but afraid to screw them back. Got juiced by the Saudis, afraid to squeeze them back. Just another political smoke, Bush family won't get the job done, it's like in their genes. Stop the car in the middle of Hwy 101, leave us in the car just waiting to be crashed again.
Link Posted: 2/27/2002 3:59:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jd123: Failed so far, done nothing much, maybe squashed couple ants, afraid to go to Iraq, Iran, Lebanon. Got screwed by the europeans, but afraid to screw them back. Got juiced by the Saudis, afraid to squeeze them back.
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What a bunch of defeatist, baby-whining crap. You know, everyone has a right to an opinion, but people who talk like you, frankly, make me physically ill. First, people like you were saying that Bush wouldn't do anything about the 9/11 attack, THEN once he starts action in Afghanistan, people like you were saying that it would be a goat-screw and we'd be bogged down there, yadda yadda yadda. THEN, once the plan worked nearly to perfection, the Taliban was overthrown and Al Quaida was on the run, people like you started whining and bitching that they haven't gotten Bin Laden yet. FOR CHRIST'S SAKE, it was ONLY FIVE MONTHS AGO! Do you have ANY concept of how long it took between the bombing of Pearl Harbor and our first major victory in WW2????? And NOW, NOW, ONLY FIVE MONTHS AFTER THE ATTACK, you're bitching like an impatient brat that we are "scared" to do anything in Iraq? Do you have the slightest idea how clueless this makes you sound? Before we do anything in Iraq, we have to re-arm, re-organize and re-supply our troops. We used up most of our "smart" bombs in Afghanistan...it will take us till the summer to get a new supply laid in. We put one hell of a lot of hours on our planes and choppers in Afghanistan...they will have to be serviced, spare parts ordered and installed, tested, etc... This war is NOT being fought to make you feel all warm and fuzzy about yourself. There's this little place called the real world where you can't instantly swoop in and topple a dozen governments in a week. Perhaps you might care to visit it sometime.
Link Posted: 2/27/2002 4:11:48 PM EDT
Rik, you have truly smacked my bitch up with that last post. Bravo Zulu!
Link Posted: 2/27/2002 4:30:27 PM EDT
It's not going to be the next Nam because the UN doesn't have their grubby little hands on how or where we conduct the missions or who we hit next. It will never end terrorism but it will deliver a good smack down on those groups that have grown to well organized and well financed institutions. Bush has the best people you would want running the show right now. Experienced people that seem to have learned from history and not repeat the same mistakes over and over again. Making the right descisions based on facts not feelings and a 1-2-3 step strategy. Sun Tsu's Art of War, true 2400 years ago and still true today.[url]http://www.chinapage.com/sunzi-e.html[/url] How's that Sean Connery/Untouchables quote go, "He sends one of yours to the hospital, You send one of his to the morgue! That's the Chicago way."
Link Posted: 2/27/2002 4:33:21 PM EDT
Rik's answer was spot on! Righteous! Eric The(IShallAdoptItAsMyOwn!)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 2/27/2002 4:33:49 PM EDT
Nice flame rik. My .02 Bush had to take out the immediate threat. It's one of the primary jobs of the fed to protect the public. tayous1: The military wants nothing to do with marshal law. We want to take the fight to the other guys soil. I am just afraid that we end up in a pissing match like Israel and the Palestinians. Neither one listens to each other, they both have legitimate gripes, they take turns killing each other, no one wins. Bush's speech today was encouraging in that he recognizes that we have to "sell" our vision and what we are doing. All these wars accomplish is making us another enemy. Nomex on...BAM
Link Posted: 2/27/2002 4:56:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By bam: Nice flame rik.
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You know, it was a flame and I regret that. I REALLY didn't want to start a flame war. Some things just touch my button more than others.
Link Posted: 2/27/2002 5:05:25 PM EDT
I think the war on terrorism is a good first step. The airline security IS a little sad. The assault on our rights bears watching as it is a bigger threat than the vermin. This can NEVER become another 'Nam! We entered Afghanistan to win and made a pretty good start on it. The opposition was weak and is likely to get weaker. Most important is a VERY big difference - 'Nam did NOT attack American home soil. The vermin did. A few wishy washy types may oppose THIS war but have little basis and even less support to do so. I do not fully agree with every aspect of how this is being done - I still want to nuke 'em - but the results so far have been outstanding! I oppose the loss of freedoms that some advocate and which are in some of the lousy laws passed. Vigilance in defense of freedom is ALWAYS required, now more than ever. Stalemate like Israel vs terrorists? Keep your eye on that one. In time the Jews will tire of cat and mouse and eliminate the problem - permanently!
Link Posted: 2/27/2002 5:51:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/28/2002 6:57:02 AM EDT by Jarhead_22]
Originally Posted By Sodie: How's that Sean Connery/Untouchables quote go, "He sends one of yours to the hospital, You send one of his to the morgue! That's the Chicago way."
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Not to split hairs here, Sodie, but the Sean Connery quote from "Untouchables" goes like this: "He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send [b]ten[/b] of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way." Navy diver Petty Officer Robert Stethem Leon Klinghoffer 241 Marines and Sailors in the Beirut barracks Pan Am flight 103 19 Airmen at the Khobar Towers Colonel William R. Higgins Colonel James "Nick" Rowe 17 Sailors of the USS Cole US Embassy in Kenya US Embassy in Tanzania Thousands on 09.11.01 And many, many more. We're way behind by Chicago math. "Now, what are you prepared to do?"
Link Posted: 2/27/2002 6:07:04 PM EDT
I like the Chicago math. Had never heard that. Heres my math. Kill em all. They are like snakes. The only good muslim is a dead muslim. I kinda take that from Bill Clintons 1040 when he was elected. How much did you earn last year. Send it all in. How many Americans have they killed? Let get rid of so many they become endangered species. Lets go at least 1 million killed for every american. just my humble opinion.
Link Posted: 2/27/2002 6:32:50 PM EDT
my take: regretable and futile in that it is unwinnable. no clear victory. we will never be able to stamp out Muslim jihad. but absolutely necessary in that we cannot not take action in retaliation. i am fairly convinced that clinton's reactions to threats and actions against the U.S. encouraged the actions of the terrorists on Sept. 11. not that they wouldn't have done it anyway. but for sure they were encouraged by the typical non-response of the clinton administration.
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 3:59:45 AM EDT
We are in for a long battle......and we haven't seen nothing yet. Never forget! [USA]
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 4:46:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Jarhead_22: We're way behind by Chicago math.
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Patience, grasshopper. You see everyone packing up and coming home yet? Let them work. [:D]
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 5:32:25 AM EDT
Post from ARLady -
we will never be able to stamp out Muslim jihad.
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No more than we can stamp out evil! But we can beat it so badly that it will take centuries before it rears its ugly head again! Like Charles Martel did at Tours in 732 AD. Like the Turks who were defeated at the gates of Vienna on three separate occasions. Like the British did throughout its Empire in the 19th Century! It'll come back, but we'll stomp it then, too! Eric The([u]Or[/u]Perish!)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 5:42:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/28/2002 5:43:38 AM EDT by Cincinnatus]
Remember this?: [img]http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/735000/images/_737483_irq_soldier_150.jpg[/img][img]http://www.rmcs.cranfield.ac.uk/warhist/wars/image3VD.jpg[/img][img]http://www.moderntv.com/modtvweb/iraq91/tv-iraqsurr.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.jodyharmon.com/Iraqis.jpg[/img][img]http://www.cnn.com/resources/video.almanac/1991/iraqi.surrender/still.jpg[/img] They talk big.
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 6:22:01 AM EDT
I'm for it. If it means taking out Saddam :)
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 6:29:07 AM EDT
Originally Posted By qwijibo:
Originally Posted By Jarhead_22: We're way behind by Chicago math.
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Patience, grasshopper. You see everyone packing up and coming home yet? Let them work. [:D]
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My point was not that nothing is being done, but that we're just getting started. I had some measure of disgust and impatience when we took hit after hit and did nothing. We're bringing the fight to the enemy now, and that's all I ever could have asked for.
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 6:44:41 AM EDT
Hoooo-boy, here I go..... I think the "War terrorism" has occurred at a propitious moment for those who want to clamp down on the few Freedoms Americans have left, and further the goals of those taking the US into a "NEW World Order" ie., a socialist world government....... Before you say it. I know SOME here would say I'm just paranoid.....
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 6:52:08 AM EDT
Maybe not paranoid, just a little self-absorbed. Everything that happens globally, believe it or not, is not part of some big plan to take away our freedom and our guns. Granted, we'd be fools not to keep an eye on things. And YES some measures to add security can diminish freedom. BUT, let's not put the cart before the horse.
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 7:07:44 AM EDT
Total garbage! I forgot it was whom left Sadam in his office due to whose pressure? Wasn't that Mr. Bush Sr and Gen Powell cave in due to your European and Saudi Allies? Regroup and rearm? where's the regroup and rearm? Do you see any troop movement? If our foreign policy is to protect American interests overseas, we shouldn't wait for your European and Arab's fake Allies to say "yes" anyway. What are we taking out in Afaghan? Do you think the Afaghan like us to be there? or We are making more ass out of ourselves. We did our surgical strikes, then pull the fu##ing 5000 troops out, leave the clean up to the special force in small and mobile numbers. It seems we are trying to stay there for the long term when people there generally don't like us military presence. What is war on terror? We are just telling those British terrorists they have the rights to lawyers too. Fuk you and your political smokes, Bill Cliton is a whoopy ass, so is Bush. Republicans are the same as Democrats, nobody really cares about REAL american interests. Screw Isral and middle East, let them fight it out. Who are we to support and to judge? If not because our sorrow assed foreign policy, Isral might be the only country stands in that region today. If Mr.Bush and Mr Clinton, whoever is the president wants to wave that "big stick", he'd better talks the talk, and walks the walk. Either that, or pull the whole army and aids back from all those so called "Allies". Those European, Arab, Asian Allies are taking our $$$, but doing a dingo for our interests. I guess I hurt your sorrow ass feeling on Bush, he's a nice guy, but like his father, ain't gutsy enough to fight for real American interests, although he's 10 times better than Clinton. You might call yourself a "hawk", or call this war in its 1st stage. I call you a whimp, and this war will stay in its 1st stage until we got our ass whipped again by your European or Arab or Asian "ALLIED" terrorists again.
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 7:15:09 AM EDT
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I don't know, I think that the complete destruction of Al Qeada's Training camps, and Command structure, in Afghanistan was a good idea. Call me crazy, but a few months ago, terrorists we're FREELY going about the business of pplotting the death and destruction of YOU and ME. They we're FREELY setting up bunkers and trying to acquire NUKES, to accomplish this. Now they are running and hiding. If you can't see this as good thing, you must be doing something other than thinking. (p.s. you make very little sense, slow down.)
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 7:31:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/28/2002 7:33:28 AM EDT by Carbine_Man]
I too am wondering what the real purpose of the war on terrorism is about. I am becoming more and more convinced (reluctantly) that its a sideshow. I voted for W. A lot of people I know did and are very pleased about his religious convictions. As far as the military war goes, W. did the right thing and let the military do the job. If it were a Democrat in the Whitehouse, we'd have war by focus group with micro-management and an eye on the polls. As far as foreign policy goes, I don't think we're accomplishing much. Friendly nations saw 9/11 as a wake-up call to arrest the BG's. Okay, nice start. Now everyone is making a big deal about "axis of evil" talk, and our friends overseas are all getting squeemish. Gimme a break. Our military is still deployed all over the world as "peace keepers." When is W. gonna address this? The Saudi's still pump money into Islamic terror groups all over the world, and we don't say BOO to them. When is W. gonna address this? Domestically, the driving message is: treat all citizens like untrustworthy criminals. Ban fingernail clippers on airliners. Make the airport in-security sluggo's federal employees. Hand out a lot of cash to Airlines (thank you Mrs. Daschel.) Install death-ray machines in a select few post Offices that handle Fed mail. Pay attention to that last one. I know of a guy who says that Federal employees (himself included) are coming down with a lot of radiation-related sickneses, and this is ignored by the media. W. is looking more and more like a Republican version of Jimmy Carter. Meanwhile, the Democrats are pushing for more gun control. The Republicans say nothing. W. has done NOTHING to help overturn the executive order import bans signed by Clinton. NOTHING. The Democrats are looking for more ways to get illegal aliens on the public dole and secure everyone in the graveyard voting rights with NO photo ID. That's the new "voting reform" legislation that's coming down because of Florida. And don't get me started on "campaign finance reform." Suffice it to say that W. may sign the ONE BILL that does more to destroy America than ANY PIECE OF LEGISLATION, EVER. I want to say something like "I'll never vote for a Republican again," but it won't matter. Withing a matter of a few years, we will be a big fat version of Great Britain. And you can kiss yer guns goodbye. Now what were we talking about? Ohe yeah, the war on terrorism...
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 7:47:26 AM EDT
Why are the Afghan poppy fields still there?
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 8:25:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Bearlaker: Why are the Afghan poppy fields still there?
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Because our government is full of shit, it was probably a side deal with the northern alliance, we help them get in power, they help us with the taliban, we don't bother the poppy fields. Saw the "drug czar" on O'Reilly and I could smell the bullshit and see the uncomfort when O'Reilly asked him about that. Our government is really brave and mighty when it comes to raiding cannabis clubs that provide relief to the sick and dying, but too chickenshit to go after the real drugs where they are produced.
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 8:32:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By jd123: You might call yourself a "hawk", or call this war in its 1st stage. I call you a whimp,
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doesn't it just take the sting out of an insult when you can't even spell it correctly?
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 8:48:29 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Bearlaker: Why are the Afghan poppy fields still there?
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Why [b]shouldn't[/b] the Afghan poppy fields still be there?
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 8:48:40 AM EDT
This whole war on terror now becoming more and more like a political war. They are talking about smartID card you carry to get on a flight? Ain't there are hackers who can tab into your database and make you not you anymore? They are talking about successful strike in Afaghan, while they let the "rats" slip into Iran and Pakistan. The roots of the hate is in our foreign policy, because we Americans only put OUR INTERESTS ahead of theirs. I totally support our policy, however, if we continue to make our interests #1, we must kick some sorrow foreign asses to make it work. Or we just should pull our aids and army back and let the rest of world fight it out. If all those Saudis, French take our $$$, but sending nuclear materials to Mr.Sadam, why are we still calling them OUR ALLIES? No BS about it, our foreign policy is excellent, except the people who are executing it are a bunch of jokers. Americans don't realize nobody really likes us, they only like our $$$. So why do we really care about who is our ally or not when our national interest is at the stake? This war will only take us to Phillips, Afaghans, but not Iraq, Iran, Lebannon(nobody in the administration even dare to talk about Lebannon), Maylasia, Indonisia. And whoever we capture will be represented by your nextdoor lawyer for their civil rights, while our civil rights are dumped in trash can by the government. yah, success my ass.
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 8:52:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Renamed:
Originally Posted By Bearlaker: Why are the Afghan poppy fields still there?
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Why [b]shouldn't[/b] the Afghan poppy fields still be there?
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In light of the new ads about where do you think terrorists get their money....?
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 8:52:28 AM EDT
Hell, now, I know what kind of ass you are, even care about a misspelling on the Internet!!!when people just mummbling and type whole bunch of garbage in 5 seconds. what i said is garbage, but smells better and tastes better than yours. The only garbage counts is not here on the internet, but there in the capital hill and the white house. I guess you know that, right?
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 9:01:22 AM EDT
I'm all for kicking some of the other country a$$es but we still need to protect are homeland first that is what is the most important. The reference to Nam was in that is there going to be if there is a draft . There will be a lot of people that will not want anything to do with this war ? Will the people give support to are men if this is still going on in the next 5 years? Also will the people give there support if there is a draft? I don't think the people will, It only took a few months after the WTC attack that a lot of people where back to themselves griping about anything and everything and start saying that these people are just misunderstood and the PC thing to do is let them be
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 9:40:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Bearlaker:
Originally Posted By Renamed:
Originally Posted By Bearlaker: Why are the Afghan poppy fields still there?
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Why [b]shouldn't[/b] the Afghan poppy fields still be there?
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In light of the new ads about where do you think terrorists get their money....?
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Since the Taliban and al-Quaeda don't control Afghanistan anymore, they won't be making much money off the poppy fields there. Would it be nice if those farmers were growing food instead of drugs? Yes, but I don't see how it would be cost-effective to try to make that happen. The US has already spent years of effort and billions of dollars to stop drug production in South America without having much of an impact.
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 9:52:42 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By jd123: Hell, now, I know what kind of ass you are, even care about a misspelling on the Internet!!!when people just mummbling and type whole bunch of garbage in 5 seconds. what i said is garbage, but smells better and tastes better than yours. The only garbage counts is not here on the internet, but there in the capital hill and the white house. I guess you know that, right?
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Dear Sir: It seems obvious that you missed the point of my post. What you have to say is your opinion, and while I may not agree with it, I do not know that I would go so far as to say it is garbage. If you wish to do so, that is your right. However, while your opinions themselves may be substantial in their strength, the manner in which you convey them leaves much to be desired. Rest assured knowing that I care as little for you as you do for me (yet I will refrain from sinking to your level and calling you names). But it would serve you well to at least attempt to put your thoughts together in a logical manner, complete with proper attention to puncuation and grammar. Otherwise, your point(s) is(are) left to be discovered by others with more patience than most here have. Sincerely, ARlady Translation: i was just being a little sarcastic. it would behoove you, however, to slow down and read what you type, as your message, however valid it may be, gets lost in the ramblings and mess of letters you call a post. not to mention that calling people names is not only childish but makes you lose credibility.
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 9:59:58 AM EDT
Originally Posted By jd123: This whole war on terror now becoming more and more like a political war. They are talking about smartID card you carry to get on a flight? Ain't there are hackers who can tab into your database and make you not you anymore? They are talking about successful strike in Afaghan, while they let the "rats" slip into Iran and Pakistan.
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first, define a political war. and then tell me an example of a war that was never politcal at all.
The roots of the hate is in our foreign policy, because we Americans only put OUR INTERESTS ahead of theirs. I totally support our policy, however, if we continue to make our interests #1, we must kick some sorrow foreign asses to make it work. Or we just should pull our aids and army back and let the rest of world fight it out. If all those Saudis, French take our $$$, but sending nuclear materials to Mr.Sadam, why are we still calling them OUR ALLIES?
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ways of the world, sir, ways of the world. while no one more than I wishes to see a few countries bounders expaned (say Spain's, to the north and east), things are not always as cut and dried as we would like them to be. it's easy to say "do this" or "do that", but the truth may be that the consequences of the status quo (as unpleasant as they may be) are preferable at this point in time to the actions you suggest.
No BS about it, our foreign policy is excellent, except the people who are executing it are a bunch of jokers. Americans don't realize nobody really likes us, they only like our $$$. So why do we really care about who is our ally or not when our national interest is at the stake? This war will only take us to Phillips, Afaghans, but not Iraq, Iran, Lebannon(nobody in the administration even dare to talk about Lebannon), Maylasia, Indonisia. And whoever we capture will be represented by your nextdoor lawyer for their civil rights, while our civil rights are dumped in trash can by the government. yah, success my ass.
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since you seem to know so damn much, why don't you enlighten the rest of us "whimps" as to the solution of the problem. i don't disagree with a lot of the things you are saying. but you talk big for someone with no identity behind a keyboard in the most anonymous scenario you can be in. what exactly have you done to prevent all these horrible things from happening, sir? sit at your keyboard and call people on your side names and insult them? yeah, i can see where that would do a lot to protect our liberties. keep up the good work!
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 10:12:49 AM EDT
Total and complete BS as all these planned events are. To avoid further rambling, I will just post a quote that sums it up. "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed --and thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -- H.L. Mencken
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 10:14:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By jd123: Total garbage!
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Yes, your posts have been total garbage.
I forgot it was whom left Sadam in his office due to whose pressure? Wasn't that Mr. Bush Sr and Gen Powell cave in due to your European and Saudi Allies?
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Who the hell cares? George Herbert Walker Bush is not the President. Only idiots think that just because George W is his son that he will act just like his father.
Regroup and rearm? where's the regroup and rearm? Do you see any troop movement?
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Well...yes, I do. You don't follow the news much, do you?
If our foreign policy is to protect American interests overseas, we shouldn't wait for your European and Arab's fake Allies to say "yes" anyway.
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That's not what we're waiting for, as anyone with a modicum of knowledge on the subject would realize.
What are we taking out in Afaghan? Do you think the Afaghan like us to be there?
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Do you think I care if they like it? Do you HAVE a point?
or We are making more ass out of ourselves.
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It may not be humanly possible for you to make more of an ass out of yourself.
Fuk you and your political smokes
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Well, who could argue with that? (Because no one could figure out what the hell it means.)
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 10:25:18 AM EDT
Carbine_Man, I think you just put 5 in the ten ring. How many of you know the HSA was planned and presented in 1999? I am not a conspiracy theorist, rather I ask the question, "Who Benefits?" The so-called Patriot Act has blown a hole thru the Bill of Rights that a B-52 could barrel roll in. Look how successful the War on Poverty, War on Drugs, War on Whatever, have been. An intense response was absolutely necessary, and if the Taliban and al-Qaeda were behind it, fine. It looks more to me like the beginning of the Hundred Years War, with nukes. Endless enemies, war without end....
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 11:04:54 AM EDT
Originally Posted By paspecops: An intense response was absolutely necessary, and if the Taliban and al-Qaeda were behind it, fine. It looks more to me like the beginning of the Hundred Years War, with nukes. Endless enemies, war without end....
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That is the truth do you think the American people are going to stand for this being another 10 year war? I don't think so and if it ever does end I think the U.S.A. will be bombarded with so many attacks we will never be able to pull out of it.
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 11:06:32 AM EDT
yah, sure, rikwriter, you must be a Bush loving republican who can't get enough of his image from your TV. your opinion is like the snowbirds from the north, worth $$$ to our floridians. Let me vote for you next time you run for your office. oh, pardon me, what office is that? Even a drunk Bush has more brain than your, so your appreciation for him is much appropriate. Like anyone who would care for what you said or what you think. Only those people watch TV believe what the media and government say. May you tell us is that FoxNews or CNN or CSPAN that you are watching? Hell, calling me names first, then tell me I'm the offender here? Typical sunburn here. ps: I'm not Bush bashing, but obviously, a follow republican can't take that heat. cough... cough.....
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 11:39:26 AM EDT
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good post Liberty86, your eyes are open, and it's unfortunate that I can't say that for most of the other sheeple here.
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 12:18:23 PM EDT
The only thing that's going on is our freedoms are being taking away little at a time. all this B.S. about eye scanning tech, smart card's, hell even taking about chips implants. WE are the one's that is going to pay!
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JD123, Did you graduate high school? I think you win the award for the most horrible grammar and spelling that I have ever seen on this site. How are we supposed to understand your view, however twisted and ignorant it may be, if you use phrases no one besides yourself can understand? As long as you respond with such hostility and immature name calling, no one here will ever take you seriously. Enjoy your stay here while it lasts; you seem like the kind of person whose account gets locked eventually. Have a nice day.
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 12:58:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Cypher214: JD123, Did you graduate high school? I think you win the award for the most horrible grammar and spelling that I have ever seen on this site. quote] Sorry I think I won that one a long time ago! I think it was in June of 2001. Anyway lets stop the flame war here I don't want this to be locked out because people are insulting each other. Let's just respect everyone option and not flame people. This goes for everyone.
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 1:03:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By tayous1:
Originally Posted By Cypher214: JD123, Did you graduate high school? I think you win the award for the most horrible grammar and spelling that I have ever seen on this site. quote] Sorry I think I won that one a long time ago! I think it was in June of 2001. Anyway lets stop the flame war here I don't want this to be locked out because people are insulting each other. Let's just respect everyone option and not flame people. This goes for everyone.
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Hear! Hear!
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 1:21:21 PM EDT
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Pardon my french. I guess adults can take a heated political debate as constructive, as kids only check for grammar and spelling errors. I didn't graduate from high school, but Northwestern MBA program liked my grammar and spellings 4 years ago. I guess you don't know what I am saying. Dumb kids have their days too. cough.... cough....No flames. Apprently different opinion counts as flames in some people's accounts.
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 3:46:18 PM EDT
um, excuse me little man, jd123, you called the names first. and you keep acting like a spoiled little brat having a temper tantrum. i'll be the first to admit that topics can create some serious passion and people can let that get away from them and say things they don't really mean or wouldn't otherwise say, especially face to face. but you, sir, take the cake. you can't rebut an argument because you haven't got a point. you stoop to the basest level of name calling and insult tossing. why, you haven't even answered my request to define a politcal war, let alone tell me what war in the past hasn't been one.
Pardon my french. I guess adults can take a heated political debate as constructive, as kids only check for grammar and spelling errors.
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well, by your own admission, you must not fit into the adult category either since you have yet to display any constructive DEBATE. nothing but mindless rantings and illiterate posts.
I didn't graduate from high school, but Northwestern MBA program liked my grammar and spellings 4 years ago. I guess you don't know what I am saying. Dumb kids have their days too. cough.... cough....No flames. Apprently different opinion counts as flames in some people's accounts.
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i know, arguing with the illiterate and ignorant is so difficult, ain't it?????
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 3:47:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Bearlaker:
Originally Posted By tayous1:
Originally Posted By Cypher214: JD123, Did you graduate high school? I think you win the award for the most horrible grammar and spelling that I have ever seen on this site. quote] Sorry I think I won that one a long time ago! I think it was in June of 2001. Anyway lets stop the flame war here I don't want this to be locked out because people are insulting each other. Let's just respect everyone option and not flame people. This goes for everyone.
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Hear! Hear!
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you're telling the wrong people to quit the flaming and show some respect there.
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 4:04:44 PM EDT
jd123, I may be a kid, by your standards...hell by most people's standards. I'm only 18. What I said was not intended as a flame but as a heads up. If you would start acting like an ADULT, people would treat you as such and listen to what you have to say. As long as you respond to people's opinions by calling them an "ass" or accusing them of being just some idiot Bush supporter that believes the "facts" reported on CNN and CNBC, you will never get any respect on this board. If you are so well informed, why don't you enlighten the rest of us? Until then, refrain from making personal attacks on this board, they will get you nowhere but gone. I don't normally involve myself in a flame war or in any situation which may turn ugly, but your attitude toward others frankly sucks.
Link Posted: 2/28/2002 4:08:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DJbump: Total and complete BS as all these planned events are. To avoid further rambling, I will just post a quote that sums it up. "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed --and thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -- H.L. Mencken
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So you're either saying that I imgagined those planes flying into the World Trade Center, or that the US government caused them to fly into the World Trade Center. Which is it?
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