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Posted: 10/18/2009 11:17:56 PM EDT
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I clean mine everytime I shoot it...whether its 500 rounds or 30....makes life so much easier in the long run. I miss those SA battlepacks...shoulda bought 10 cases of that stuff...at 309.95 each for 2700 rounds...I'd have 27,000 rounds for a little over 3 grand.
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Posted: 10/18/2009 11:20:35 PM EDT
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I clean mine everytime I shoot it...whether its 500 rounds or 30....makes life so much easier in the long run. I miss those SA battlepacks...shoulda bought 10 cases of that stuff...at 309.95 each for 2700 rounds...I'd have 27,000 rounds for a little over 3 grand. I used to clean after every shoot but then I got lazy haha. the problem was I shot the crap out of that SA back in the day when I could find em for $40ish/300. So I could never get a stockpile started haha. the SA is/was GREAT AMMO! |
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Posted: 10/18/2009 11:25:36 PM EDT
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That's a loud fucking rifle. The backblast from that AK brake is good on your buddy at the next bench, ain't it?
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Posted: 10/18/2009 11:27:21 PM EDT
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This thread makes me feel better...
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Posted: 10/18/2009 11:29:50 PM EDT
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over the past years I went 5000 rounds with just light oiling in a few places.. I ran mostly dry tho. At 5000 rounds I pulled the bolt stripped it, wiped all the gunk off of it and put it back in. I stopped counting at 6000 rounds and I know I have surpassed 7000. I'm more likely in the upper 7000's. It is not as bad as I thought..but it is still pretty dirty...I am having fun with the carbon in the bolt...tho it is flaking right off...so its just tedious, but not difficult. THE RIFLE ITSELF HAS BEEN 100% RELIABLE!!!!! the handfull of failures.. were talking 2-5 were all ammo related!! Rifle: 1998 Bushmaster DCM lower, 2000 Bushmaster 14.5" perm AK(16") brake M4gery upper. Ammo: Old school SA battle packs, Federal XM193, Winchester Q3131A, and a few boxes of remington 223.. that is it! Moral of the story.. Clean your rifles more often..not because it will fail..but to keep it from becoming harder to clean. 
I may be missing something but why would you go 5000+ rounds without a cleaning? What is the logic behind that? |
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Posted: 10/18/2009 11:31:37 PM EDT
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Spray in some CLP and shoot. Works fine for me. Running dry will of course lead to hard carbon deposits. It's a battle rifle; tell it to suck it up and work harder.
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Posted: 10/18/2009 11:33:43 PM EDT
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That's a loud fucking rifle. The backblast from that AK brake is good on your buddy at the next bench, ain't it? And I love it! I threw an m16 bolt in it and put it on a full auto lower.. that brake is freaking effective. |
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Posted: 10/18/2009 11:33:48 PM EDT
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I'm totally anal about cleaning. I picked up 3 ARs before the 2000 ban and those 3 lowers have to last me until I eventually retire and get the fuck out of Dodge.
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Posted: 10/18/2009 11:40:19 PM EDT
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over the past years I went 5000 rounds with just light oiling in a few places.. I ran mostly dry tho. At 5000 rounds I pulled the bolt stripped it, wiped all the gunk off of it and put it back in. I stopped counting at 6000 rounds and I know I have surpassed 7000. I'm more likely in the upper 7000's. It is not as bad as I thought..but it is still pretty dirty...I am having fun with the carbon in the bolt...tho it is flaking right off...so its just tedious, but not difficult. THE RIFLE ITSELF HAS BEEN 100% RELIABLE!!!!! the handfull of failures.. were talking 2-5 were all ammo related!! Rifle: 1998 Bushmaster DCM lower, 2000 Bushmaster 14.5" perm AK(16") brake M4gery upper. Ammo: Old school SA battle packs, Federal XM193, Winchester Q3131A, and a few boxes of remington 223.. that is it! Moral of the story.. Clean your rifles more often..not because it will fail..but to keep it from becoming harder to clean.
I may be missing something but why would you go 5000+ rounds without a cleaning? What is the logic behind that? 1. Tired of all the "not reliable" crap floating around and wanted to see what it could do. 2. Got lazy..used to clean guns for a living. 3. Because I can I decided to clean just to avoid major wear that would have really started happening.. so far there is no obvious wear on the moving parts. lube in the right places goes a LONG way. |
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Posted: 10/18/2009 11:41:26 PM EDT
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I'm totally anal about cleaning. I picked up 3 ARs before the 2000 ban and those 3 lowers have to last me until I eventually retire and get the fuck out of Dodge. me to.. when i clean.. were talking dental tool anal haha. |
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Posted: 10/18/2009 11:46:56 PM EDT
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I wish they would import some more of that...I miss the Malaysian tooQuoted:
I clean mine everytime I shoot it...whether its 500 rounds or 30....makes life so much easier in the long run. I miss those SA battlepacks...shoulda bought 10 cases of that stuff...at 309.95 each for 2700 rounds...I'd have 27,000 rounds for a little over 3 grand. I used to clean after every shoot but then I got lazy haha. the problem was I shot the crap out of that SA back in the day when I could find em for $40ish/300. So I could never get a stockpile started haha. the SA is/was GREAT AMMO! 
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Posted: 10/18/2009 11:51:33 PM EDT
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The good `ol SA battlepacks..I think I might have 1 or 2 still lying around here
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Posted: 10/18/2009 11:53:23 PM EDT
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This thread is weird.
If I cleaned my ar every time I shot it, I would end up scrubbing off the finnish of the bolt. Do not scrape all the black shit off of the bolt or bolt carrier or chamber. Cleaning is relative. |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 12:13:50 AM EDT
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I went over 3000 rounds through this one before finally cleaning it.
I ran LC, Winchester, mixed surplus and Wolf through it without any malfunctions. I only cleaned it because I couldn't take it anymore. Phessor
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Posted: 10/19/2009 12:17:17 AM EDT
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But, but, but..it's not a piston-driven AR
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Posted: 10/19/2009 12:19:35 AM EDT
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Some guy put 10000 rounds of wolf through his ar, there are pictures here somewhere. Years ago troy went longer than that withou cleaning. As long as they are lubed just shooting doesn't seem to matter.
It's funny to still see stuff like that thread on falfiles about the guy with 15000 rounds through his fal anf all the gunstore commando comments about how an ar won't do that. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 12:26:26 AM EDT
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Pat Rogers has put 15,000+ rounds through his ar15 without cleaning it. Source here: http://www.slip2000.com/patrogers15000.html
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Posted: 10/19/2009 12:27:08 AM EDT
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Quoted: Wasn't that a stealth upper?Some guy put 10000 rounds of wolf through his ar, there are pictures here somewhere. Years ago troy went longer than that withou cleaning. As long as they are lubed just shooting doesn't seem to matter. It's funny to still see stuff like that thread on falfiles about the guy with 15000 rounds through his fal anf all the gunstore commando comments about how an ar won't do that. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 12:30:46 AM EDT
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That's a loud fucking rifle. The backblast from that AK brake is good on your buddy at the next bench, ain't it? And I love it! I threw an m16 bolt in it and put it on a full auto lower.. that brake is freaking effective. Love mine, too!  And you're right about the effectiveness. I've run a RLL in mine.
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Posted: 10/19/2009 12:55:03 AM EDT
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I went over 3000 rounds through this one before finally cleaning it. I ran LC, Winchester, mixed surplus and Wolf through it without any malfunctions. I only cleaned it because I couldn't take it anymore. Phessor
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/DSCF2459_edited.JPG How much of that was with the suppressor? Ive noticed that with suppressors you get a lot more gas back into the receiver..making it dirty 2-3x as fast. |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 1:02:06 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I went over 3000 rounds through this one before finally cleaning it. I ran LC, Winchester, mixed surplus and Wolf through it without any malfunctions. I only cleaned it because I couldn't take it anymore. Phessor http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/DSCF2459_edited.JPG How much of that was with the suppressor? Ive noticed that with suppressors you get a lot more gas back into the receiver..making it dirty 2-3x as fast. So? I hear you have a suppressor? |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 1:05:18 AM EDT
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I went over 3000 rounds through this one before finally cleaning it. I ran LC, Winchester, mixed surplus and Wolf through it without any malfunctions. I only cleaned it because I couldn't take it anymore. Phessor
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/DSCF2459_edited.JPG How much of that was with the suppressor? Ive noticed that with suppressors you get a lot more gas back into the receiver..making it dirty 2-3x as fast. So? I hear you have a suppressor? No..but living in AZ I think I'm the only one without one! Also been in and out of the firearms industry for a number of years and have had access to some nice toys over the years. But along with the nice toys comes cleaning them after. |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 1:09:40 AM EDT
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I went over 3000 rounds through this one before finally cleaning it. I ran LC, Winchester, mixed surplus and Wolf through it without any malfunctions. I only cleaned it because I couldn't take it anymore. Phessor
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/DSCF2459_edited.JPG How much of that was with the suppressor? Ive noticed that with suppressors you get a lot more gas back into the receiver..making it dirty 2-3x as fast. It was all shot suppressed, I would have blackened cheaks and trigger finger from shooting so much. I can't wait to get back to it. Phessor
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Posted: 10/19/2009 1:32:17 AM EDT
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from what I remember about you, you probably had to go buy a screwdriver and some wire to pull through your barrel to clean it.
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Posted: 10/19/2009 1:37:58 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I went over 3000 rounds through this one before finally cleaning it. I ran LC, Winchester, mixed surplus and Wolf through it without any malfunctions. I only cleaned it because I couldn't take it anymore. Phessor http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/DSCF2459_edited.JPG How much of that was with the suppressor? Ive noticed that with suppressors you get a lot more gas back into the receiver..making it dirty 2-3x as fast. So? I hear you have a suppressor? No..but living in AZ I think I'm the only one without one! Also been in and out of the firearms industry for a number of years and have had access to some nice toys over the years. But along with the nice toys comes cleaning them after. espically if you have a suppressor attached
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Posted: 10/19/2009 1:58:22 AM EDT
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This is obviously a hoax - I just read in another thread that only Colt and Noveskie rifles were reliable. Anything by Bushmaster or RRA is JUNK!
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Posted: 10/19/2009 2:11:04 AM EDT
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This is a joke of mine,
I have an AR, my bolt is black and obviously full of carbon, I've bought the special cleaning tools. I've done everything I can to shine up my bolt and bolt carrier. Now my bolt is starting to show surface rust. How can I fix it? end of joke. |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 2:31:21 AM EDT
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This is a joke of mine, I have an AR, my bolt is black and obviously full of carbon, I've bought the special cleaning tools. I've done everything I can to shine up my bolt and bolt carrier. Now my bolt is starting to show surface rust. How can I fix it? end of joke. easy... polish her up..and then krylon!
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Posted: 10/19/2009 2:34:21 AM EDT
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+1 Whirlygirl45
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Posted: 10/19/2009 2:35:41 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: This is a joke of mine, I have an AR, my bolt is black and obviously full of carbon, I've bought the special cleaning tools. I've done everything I can to shine up my bolt and bolt carrier. Now my bolt is starting to show surface rust. How can I fix it? end of joke. easy... polish her up..and then krylon! It really is funny,
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Posted: 10/19/2009 3:46:15 AM EDT
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This is obviously a hoax - I just read in another thread that only Colt and Noveskie rifles were reliable. Anything by Bushmaster or RRA is JUNK!
Well mine is a Noveske upper with a Sun Devel lower and it had a Timney trigger in it at the time. It also was built using CMT/Stag parts so its close to being a Colt. Phessor
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Posted: 10/19/2009 3:55:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/19/2009 3:57:33 AM EDT
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This is obviously a hoax - I just read in another thread that only Colt and Noveskie rifles were reliable. Anything by Bushmaster or RRA is JUNK!
Well mine is a Noveske upper with a Sun Devel lower and it had a Timney trigger in it at the time. It also was built using CMT/Stag parts so its close to being a Colt. Phessor nice. The bushmaster is the only purebred AR I have all the rest are AR parts guns. I must say that all the parts in this rifle are very well made, the machining on them is clean and neat, everything fits together nicely. I do have the 2 stage bushy dcm trigger in it which is nice but it needs to be touched up a bit, I have abused it and it is getting slightly mushy when it breaks. |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 3:59:52 AM EDT
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I call BS,AR's aren't reliable enough to do that.Ask any AK owner
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Posted: 10/19/2009 4:04:20 AM EDT
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I pre-soak in mineral spirits; then use the brass spring from a stripper clip to scrape, followed by a bronze brush to clean mine.
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Posted: 10/19/2009 4:36:45 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I wish they would import some more of that...I miss the Malaysian tooQuoted: I clean mine everytime I shoot it...whether its 500 rounds or 30....makes life so much easier in the long run. I miss those SA battlepacks...shoulda bought 10 cases of that stuff...at 309.95 each for 2700 rounds...I'd have 27,000 rounds for a little over 3 grand. I used to clean after every shoot but then I got lazy haha. the problem was I shot the crap out of that SA back in the day when I could find em for $40ish/300. So I could never get a stockpile started haha. the SA is/was GREAT AMMO! Glad I bought all that 62g. Radway Green on bandoliers in 900rd. ammo cans...  |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 4:43:27 AM EDT
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Just spray some CLP in there every couple of mags and they will almost run forever
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Posted: 10/19/2009 6:11:30 AM EDT
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Just spray some CLP in there every couple of mags and they will almost run forever yup.
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Posted: 10/19/2009 6:16:33 AM EDT
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Thorough clean everytime I shoot. It helps my computer is basically on a workbench. Surf arfcom while cleaning the rifles.
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Posted: 10/19/2009 6:31:20 AM EDT
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This is obviously a hoax - I just read in another thread that only Colt and Noveskie rifles were reliable. Anything by Bushmaster or RRA is JUNK!
Well mine is a Noveske upper with a Sun Devel lower and it had a Timney trigger in it at the time. It also was built using CMT/Stag parts so its close to being a Colt. Phessor nice. The bushmaster is the only purebred AR I have all the rest are AR parts guns. I must say that all the parts in this rifle are very well made, the machining on them is clean and neat, everything fits together nicely. I do have the 2 stage bushy dcm trigger in it which is nice but it needs to be touched up a bit, I have abused it and it is getting slightly mushy when it breaks. Now I know you're telling a story. A Bushmaster 2-stage that lasts 7000 rounds? NOT POSSIBLE! |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 6:40:17 AM EDT
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I may be missing something but why would you go 5000+ rounds without a cleaning? What is the logic behind that? Simple––he's just trying to piss off the mamby-pambies who own "museum pieces" out there. 
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Posted: 10/19/2009 8:51:10 PM EDT
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This is obviously a hoax - I just read in another thread that only Colt and Noveskie rifles were reliable. Anything by Bushmaster or RRA is JUNK!
Well mine is a Noveske upper with a Sun Devel lower and it had a Timney trigger in it at the time. It also was built using CMT/Stag parts so its close to being a Colt. Phessor nice. The bushmaster is the only purebred AR I have all the rest are AR parts guns. I must say that all the parts in this rifle are very well made, the machining on them is clean and neat, everything fits together nicely. I do have the 2 stage bushy dcm trigger in it which is nice but it needs to be touched up a bit, I have abused it and it is getting slightly mushy when it breaks. Now I know you're telling a story. A Bushmaster 2-stage that lasts 7000 rounds? NOT POSSIBLE! Seriously, I have heard that so many times its not even funny. |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 10:06:43 PM EDT
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I ran my Cav/CMMG mutt once for about 3000 rounds before I pulled the pins. Aside from making a mess on my bench, nothing remarkable happened.
+1 about scrubbing the finish off the bolt if I cleaned my rifle every time I shot it |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 10:09:02 PM EDT
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I ran my Cav/CMMG mutt once for about 3000 rounds before I pulled the pins. Aside from making a mess on my bench, nothing remarkable happened. +1 about scrubbing the finish off the bolt if I cleaned my rifle every time I shot it Funny thing is, after cleaning my bolt and carrier and reassembling it, it looks better than some brand new ones I have seen! |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 10:12:39 PM EDT
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seriously
 
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Posted: 10/19/2009 10:15:56 PM EDT
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seriously yes..thuper cereal! I wish I woulda taken pics as i pulled it apart too. |
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