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Posted: 2/13/2002 7:41:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/13/2002 8:00:18 PM EDT by SPECTRE]
[url]http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/local/2_13_02gun_haus.html[/url] Yet another JBT mission here in AZ !! I have met this fellow several times at local funshows and he is getting SCREWED !! He has alot of WW1 and WW2 stuff and memorabelia. It was first reported a couple days ago as a HUGE ARSENAL with booby traps and GUNS and AMMO [:o] WTF !!! why are they "cataloging" his weapons and why cut a damn hole in his roof to boot !!!
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Link Posted: 2/13/2002 8:01:29 PM EDT
I'm sure they'll buy him a brand new roof, if he ever gets out of the hostpital.
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 8:04:12 PM EDT
Great, a gun owner has a stroke, and the ATF and local law enforement rob him. Gee, I wonder why he had a pepper spray boobie trap?? Maybe to deter thieves?? And I wonder who is gonna get stuck paying for the hole oin his roof?? I wonder it they will even cover it? Doubtful. Friggin' assholes. [smoke]
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 8:07:59 PM EDT
"Fourteen families evacuated from the neighborhood last night have been told they will not be able to return to their homes at least until 6 p.m. today and perhaps not until tomorrow." Barney Fifes Blowin it all outta Proportion!
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 8:12:56 PM EDT
OMG...the cut a hole in his roof! Nothing Illegal found!....someone is going to have some more money for more firarms collecting (if he makes it out of the hospital) medcop
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 8:39:35 PM EDT
Where do those freakin paramedic's get off calling the authorities just because this guy has guns & ammo in his house??? [:(!] Do they have the right to assume that they are illegal??? [:(!] Shouldn't they be focusing on their own job instead of sticking their freakin noses where they don't belong??? [:(!] Damn those rat bastards really piss me the fu*k off!!! [:(!][:(!][:(!] ColtShorty GOA KABA COA JPFO SAF NRA "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them."
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 8:45:56 PM EDT
hate to say it but, if I did not know firearms and walked into a home and saw over one hundred "GUNS" and other things,, I might be inclinded to at least leave it up to the Police. Also was anyone in the home to "safe guard said weapons?
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 8:47:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SPECTRE: It was first reported a couple days ago as a HUGE ARSENAL.... and GUNS and AMMO [:o]
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What kind of crazy bastard has guns AND ammo?!?!? Better lock that wack-job up, for the children!
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 8:49:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By rule303: hate to say it but, if I did not know firearms and walked into a home and saw over one hundred "GUNS" and other things,, I might be inclinded to at least leave it up to the Police. Also was anyone in the home to "safe guard said weapons?
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You're joking, right? Last time I looked, it is still legal to own firearms. Also I believe it is still legal to leave your house without posting a sentry to "safe guard said weapons."
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 10:18:43 PM EDT
Poor bastard. Now if he recovers, and goes postal, they will say, "See, he WAS a danger all along" I really feel for this guy, but we should be feeling sorry for ourselves. He lived a long life in a free nation and will probably not live to see real tyranny as we will. The pitiful part is, so few people even care.
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 11:02:48 PM EDT
Better take his car, because it may have been used as a get-away vehicle for a bank robbery or a drive by shooting! Better check the garage, he may have tools that could be used to break into houses or commit other crimes! While you're there, check for fertilizer, kerosene, and pipe to make bombs! The garden, heater, and plumbing problems are just a cover for his terrorist activities! Get those porno videotapes too, one of those girls may only be 17! Take all the financial records, who knows what income he didn't report to the IRS! Hey, a TV like that one was stolen last year, better check it out!
Link Posted: 2/14/2002 12:29:20 AM EDT
Alright now this really pisses me off! At the beginning of the story they say that nothing illegal was found, so why the hell are they taking the guns and ammo out of the house? And what ever made them think that they could cut a hole in the guys roof to do it! Shall we all call the police station and ask for the investigator in charge? I will look for a number tomorrow.
Link Posted: 2/14/2002 3:18:34 AM EDT
I'm pissed too. Why remove the guns? Why cut a hole in the roof? Must have too many FAT ATF people walking around in the house "crammed with personal belongings." Why not just get a steamroller and flatten the house, much safer that way. [rolleyes] C&R License because they say a collector license. So most of those are probably mausers, enfields, M91/30's etc. It also appears that he doesn't have a safe or vault room. They were probably laying around and on walls. They might be removing them because they would be safe from thieves with the owner out of the house. I assume they had people evacuate because they cant tell if the mortar rounds were live or not. I hope he gets better and demands reparations. Maybe even an apology from that newspaper for defamation of his character.
Link Posted: 2/14/2002 3:45:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/14/2002 3:46:28 AM EDT by 1GUNRUNNER]
Originally Posted By HKocher:
Originally Posted By SPECTRE: It was first reported a couple days ago as a HUGE ARSENAL.... and GUNS and AMMO [:o]
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Oh Country AND Western
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Link Posted: 2/14/2002 4:58:48 AM EDT
I'm afraid that it's only going to get worse. Just wait and see what happens when the assault weapons ban hits the press again. I can see the headlines now "Evil Rebuplicans Want To See Your Kids Dead As They Oppose Sen. Schumer's New COMPREHENSIVE Assault Weapon Ban". Women's groups, teacher's unions, PC city police politicians will all be whining about "the children" and "public safety" while not a single politician will have the guts to stand in the way of that evil collectivist model. G.W. will cave in order to be viewed as sensitive and moderate by the majority of the mush-heads out there and presto-bango we'll end up with an even crazier BAN. All the while the idiots in the press will crank up the rhetoric about arsenals, gun show loop-holes, machine guns etc. It's coming! The anti's are already telling the press that any attempt to oppose gun control only makes us more vulnerable to terrorism.[puke]
Link Posted: 2/14/2002 5:07:08 AM EDT
Where's Sukebe and his pals with the "You weren't there, don't understand... etc..etc...etc...cops don't make mistakes, only cake-eating civilians do..etc."? [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 2/14/2002 5:24:50 AM EDT
Where are the apologists now? They sure faded into the woodwork a couple of months ago.
Link Posted: 2/14/2002 5:30:15 AM EDT
i live near Tucson (abt. 25 miles from this mans home)& i have been following this story since it broke on Mon. morning.., i get so disgusted at the medias hype in this it makes me SICK !! they talk about "BOOBY TRAPS" but fail to mention that most gun owners/collectors do NOT set "booby traps", we set "detecting" devices, i have a hidden camera & some "other" devices that tell me if my security has been violated in some way when i am away...... this is a joke, but also a thot !! i have thot about wiring myself wyth a heart rate monitor, if it does not detect a heart beat in a 5 minute span the whole fuggin mess blows sky high !!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 2/14/2002 5:42:08 AM EDT
Everyone should understand the gravity of this situation. This occurred in Arizona ... supposedly a gun friendly state. This could be any one of the members of this board. While each of us may not have a collection that large, the sheeple see more than a shotgun and a couple of rounds of old birdshot as a threat. The average joe doesn't understand a gun collection is just like a collection of Classic Cars or Extremely Rare Coins - if I took my collection, sold every piece and filed for a C&R (don't know if there are any quantity/time restrictions) I could easily purchase 100 firearms. The gentleman in question appears to have no criminal record. They have no right to declare a collection of historically significant firearms an ARSENAL. They have no right to spread the "I'll mow you all down" rumor - completely heresay reported out of obvious spite. They have no right to enter this man's home - the parametics obviously overreacted. No doubt they reported this to the police and BATF as bomb's and automatic weapons. This whole situation exasperates me. Ryan
Link Posted: 2/14/2002 5:49:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/14/2002 5:53:25 AM EDT by Schnert]
It's just the media's way of demonizing gun collectors (period). Oh my gawd!!![shock] He had guns and ammo in his house!!![shock] Ergo, he must be a very very bad man!!![>:/] All they lacked was that smiling sack of Scheisse Charles Schumer pleading "Why would anyone want more than one gun?"
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Link Posted: 2/14/2002 6:12:38 AM EDT
In a nut shell: An old, C&R collector decided to use guns and ammo as his wallhangers, and then he needed the EMS one day and the police got penis envy so they decide to confiscate all his toys. Damn that sucks. Kharn
Link Posted: 2/14/2002 6:34:12 AM EDT
I can't say what I think of this in a public forum. Cactus Jack, since you live fairly close and probably have access to local papers can you find out who this poor guy is and how we can send mail to him? It sounds like one of our "brothers" could use some help. It is a situation like this where we can step up, be recognized and really make a difference. If you can get an address for me I would like to send him a check and let him know that he isn't alone out there. Maybe some of you can spare a "couple of bucks" to send to him instead of buying that extra mag etc. He sounds like he could use some finincial help as well as something to boost his spirits during this ordeal. Let's show him that someone really cares and that we as a group are trying to right the wrongs that are being perpetrated against us.
Link Posted: 2/14/2002 6:39:14 AM EDT
Slowly, ever so slowly. House-by-house. Person-by-person. Incremental gun confiscation.
Link Posted: 2/14/2002 6:40:12 AM EDT
My guess is there might be some unwritten rule that if a public worker comes across Guns whether it be one or many, they are to report it. If the person happens to unconscious those weapons are reqired to be secured and if no one is there I imagine they will confiscate the guns like they did Mr. Eroh's. Now that the so called authorities have the weapons Mr. Eroh will more than likely have to go to court to get them back and none of his family will get them if he passes away. This is just an easy way for the Non-Gun society to get weapons off the street. Happens every day.
Link Posted: 2/14/2002 6:50:50 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Briar: I can't say what I think of this in a public forum. Cactus Jack, since you live fairly close and probably have access to local papers can you find out who this poor guy is and how we can send mail to him? It sounds like one of our "brothers" could use some help. It is a situation like this where we can step up, be recognized and really make a difference. If you can get an address for me I would like to send him a check and let him know that he isn't alone out there. Maybe some of you can spare a "couple of bucks" to send to him instead of buying that extra mag etc. He sounds like he could use some finincial help as well as something to boost his spirits during this ordeal. Let's show him that someone really cares and that we as a group are trying to right the wrongs that are being perpetrated against us.
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I'm in for this as well...CJ, if you could just satisfy yourself that this fellow really isn't a goofball, that'd be good enough for me to pitch in. QS
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Link Posted: 2/14/2002 7:02:59 AM EDT
I wanna f**kin PUKE.(all CAPS NOW) DO Y'ALL VOTE?IF SO HOW COME THE SAME ANTI-GUN CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS KEEP GETTING RE-ELECTED?I SURE DON'T VOTE FOR THEMHOW ABOUT SOMEONE W/ MORE KNOWLEGE/WIT CAN CONFRONT THESE ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL A**HOLES IN A PUBLIC FORUM AND EXPOSE THEM AS THE TRAITORS TO OUR COUNTRY THAT THEY REALLY ARE?WHOSE GOT THE BRAINS AND THE GUTS TO DO THIS?(rant off)
Link Posted: 2/14/2002 7:18:41 AM EDT
From the story: Celaya said ATF is assisting detectives as they remove and document the firearms collection. ... "We're trying to find out what the particulars are to see if there has been a violation of federal law," Celaya said.
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So now they will have a record of each one of his firearms???? WTF??? Isn't this an illegal search?
Link Posted: 2/14/2002 7:26:30 AM EDT
Isn't this an illegal search?
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Don't you get it ... it was automatic weapons and live explosives (at least the sheeple parametics thought they were) that constitutes terrorist activity, at a minimum he's a danger to society. I'm afraid that one day they will look at anyone who keeps a pound or two of smokeless powder on the shelf as a danger to society. Ryan
Link Posted: 2/14/2002 7:27:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By MAC-DADDY: I wanna f**kin PUKE.(all CAPS NOW) DO Y'ALL VOTE?IF SO HOW COME THE SAME ANTI-GUN CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS KEEP GETTING RE-ELECTED?I SURE DON'T VOTE FOR THEMHOW ABOUT SOMEONE W/ MORE KNOWLEGE/WIT CAN CONFRONT THESE ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL A**HOLES IN A PUBLIC FORUM AND EXPOSE THEM AS THE TRAITORS TO OUR COUNTRY THAT THEY REALLY ARE?WHOSE GOT THE BRAINS AND THE GUTS TO DO THIS?(rant off)
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Sorry, I can't help you right now. TV is on. Time for All my CHILDren and I need to supersize something. [pissed]
Link Posted: 2/14/2002 7:35:40 AM EDT
I don't reply often to threads, I keep my mouth shut (gets me in trouble if I don't) This type of stuff happens all the time in the U.S. Usally not on this scale. I understand that a lot of "gun owners" are pissed about this so I will say this. "Stay cool use your heads our time will come." Untill then VOTE, be a part of the solution.
Link Posted: 2/14/2002 7:43:08 AM EDT
I live about 7 or 8 miles from his house and lets just say, this is a "questionable" neighborhood. They are reporting that the "booby traps" were trip wires that would set off mace. NO !!! NOT MACE !!!!! Arizona is a gun friendly state, but Tucson is one of the more liberal areas, a college/artsy-fartsy town with a huge influx of old retired jerks and transplants from other liberal areas. Bottom line is the tucson police have been known to do such things and is usually involved in some kind of screw up scandal at any given time. We have a great local gun owners group [url]www.brassroots.org[/url] and hopefully they and others can keep the light shining on this bullshit. With every passing day more facts come out that he did nothing wrong and how the local JBT's overreacted. SPECTRE
Link Posted: 2/14/2002 8:09:05 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TOW2B: I understand that a lot of "gun owners" are pissed about this so I will say this. "Stay cool use your heads our time will come." Untill then VOTE, be a part of the solution.
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Damn right our time will come!! That's my point. One-by-one each gun owner's time will come when he, for whatever BSreason, will have HIS guns confiscated. [b]SPECTOR[/b], isn't Tucson the home of AZ's only Democ[b]rat[/b] Congressman - Ed "el bandito" Pastor? You're right. I lived in Tucson for several years. VERY artsy-fartsy, bleeding-heart, minority-pandering liberal town.
Link Posted: 2/14/2002 9:07:30 AM EDT
I was a firefighter/paramedic for 13 yrs. before disability retirement in No. Minn., a gun friendly area. Was in many a home where firearms were visible and many times the patient was the only one home. We would secure the home (if neccessary)by either family, good neighbor or LEO if one was there. Never had a problem with this, as you learn to READ people on this job. Plus we knew most of the LEO and they were cool with this. Like the other Paramedic said, confidentiality was a big thing, especially with me,being as I was the department GUN NUT. Whether the incident in ARIZ. was to secure the firearms or not, the damage to the house was un-called for. The only time we reported anything was if we SAW drug parafonalia or domestic/child abuse, we were required to by law. I feel for this guy, and the paramedics that were on the scene better understand there basic privacy and ethic laws.
Link Posted: 2/14/2002 9:13:50 AM EDT
Originally Posted By rule303: hate to say it but, if I did not know firearms and walked into a home and saw over one hundred "GUNS" and other things,, I might be inclinded to at least leave it up to the Police. Also was anyone in the home to "safe guard said weapons?
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you are so funny. LMAO..
Link Posted: 2/14/2002 9:19:24 AM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Macallan: Slowly, ever so slowly. House-by-house. Person-by-person. Incremental gun confiscation.
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and then one day they come for you.
Link Posted: 2/14/2002 9:20:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Macallan:
Originally Posted By TOW2B: I understand that a lot of "gun owners" are pissed about this so I will say this. "Stay cool use your heads our time will come." Untill then VOTE, be a part of the solution.
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Damn right our time will come!! That's my point. One-by-one each gun owner's time will come when he, for whatever BSreason, will have HIS guns confiscated.
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DITTO on that. Seems like we are ALL gonna jus sit around and let'em take our guns from us w/ no fight."I'll fight!" you say; BS, you'll all go down like a p*ssy that we all have let ourselves become.The_Macallan is on the money.
Link Posted: 2/14/2002 9:43:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SPECTRE: They are reporting that the "booby traps" were trip wires that would set off mace. NO !!! NOT MACE !!!!!
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IIRC there is a company that has for years advertised similar burglar deterrent devices.
Link Posted: 2/14/2002 4:16:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Macallan: Slowly, ever so slowly. House-by-house. Person-by-person. Incremental gun confiscation.
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There getting one hell of a slow start! We usually get one of these a month...so, we're looking at about 50 million months for the confiscation process.
Link Posted: 2/14/2002 4:18:41 PM EDT
As of this morning the local radio "news" was reporting the evacuation of the neighboring houses was due to the fact that the resident had over 130 lbs. of gunpowder stored. They were "checking into" whether or not that violated a law. No mention of artillery shells or mortar shells, but the "booby-trap" s%&t was mentioned - implying DEADLY - which is why the Fire Department went in via the roof. Meet the new paranoid society.
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Link Posted: 2/14/2002 7:11:35 PM EDT
The guy lucked out. They only cut a hole in his roof. Remember that time they burned some guys house down? I seem to remember it was in Texas somewhere [:(!]
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Link Posted: 2/14/2002 11:16:02 PM EDT
Roofs keep firemen out?? We should ban them, it's for the children....
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