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Posted: 2/13/2002 9:27:37 AM EDT
I feel safer already... http://[url]story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020211/ap_on_sp_ol/oly_flight_disturbance_1[/url] [b]Arrest Made Under New Flight Rule[/b] Mon Feb 11, 2:15 PM ET SALT LAKE CITY - An airline passenger who allegedly got up to go the bathroom less than 30 minutes before landing became the first person arrested under a new federal flight regulation adopted for the Olympics. Richard Bizarro, 59, could get up to 20 years in prison on charges of interfering with a flight crew. Bizarro was on a Delta flight from Los Angeles on Saturday when he allegedly left his seat 25 minutes before landing, despite two warnings from the captain to the 90 passengers to stay put as required under the 30-minute rule adopted for Salt Lake City by the Federal Aviation Administration (news - web sites). [b][u]Because of the incident, air marshals aboard the plane ordered all passengers to put their hands on their heads for the rest of the flight.[/u][/b] Bizarro was jailed overnight and released on his own recognizance. Authorities said a flight attendant instructed Bizarro to return to his seat immediately after he left the bathroom. She said Bizarro, who is 6-foot-2 and 220 pounds, ignored her orders and stared at her for about a minute before returning to his seat, according to the FBI (news - web sites). The incident was seen by two of three undercover air marshals on board, the FBI said. One of the agents said he saw Bizarro give what appeared to be a "thumbs up" to another passenger as he returned to his seat, prompting the marshals to take control of the cabin. The Salt Lake City rule requiring no passenger movement during the last 30 minutes went into effect Feb. 5. It already had been in effect for flights to Reagan International Airport in Washington.
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 9:38:54 AM EDT
Hey, ckapsl - check out my Bizarro World thread - it's about the same incident and I am taking the side of the FAA, the flight crew and common sense. Which means I'm in the minority over there![:D] Eric The(Help,Please)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 9:42:28 AM EDT
This just goes to show that S has HTF. The government has become so repressive they are actually telling us when and when not we can use the bathroom. Next thing you know they will tell us how to wipe our asses. How would this work on flights like I take which are less than 1 hou. Should I need to go to the restroom, I either hold it (if I could) or spend 20 years in Federal Prison for not going before I left home ???? This is definitely a sign of the Socialist times. Give me a break.
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 9:56:12 AM EDT
Anybody know what is the rationale behind this no potty 30 mins before landing at Salt Lake City?
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 9:58:07 AM EDT
you kids gotta remember, its the new world. not as safe as we once thought. personally, id take care of "business" before i boarded that plane and anytime during the flight other than the dreaded last half hour. wtf? is this really so damn hard to assure our safety??? quit friggin whining people. the authorities can only do so much. the least we can do is cooperate.
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 10:21:06 AM EDT
Originally Posted By redray: you kids gotta remember, its the new world. not as safe as we once thought. personally, id take care of "business" before i boarded that plane and anytime during the flight other than the dreaded last half hour. wtf? is this really so damn hard to assure our safety???
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I am not too concerned with the fate of the passenger, Richard Bizarro. He acted like a jackass. However, he was 59, he and other people like him may well have trouble with staying in a seat for indefinite periods without using a bathroom. Bear in mind that the last 30 minutes of flight mean that you cannot get to a bathroom for at least 45 minutes, more if there are delays. Being able to control every part of your body indefinitely is a privilege of youth. What I am more concerned with is this part: [b]Because of the incident, air marshals aboard the plane ordered all passengers to put their hands on their heads for the rest of the flight.[/b] I am sorry to say that this is fascist. Only prisoners are made to do this. What were the air marshals thinking?
quit friggin whining people. the authorities can only do so much. the least we can do is cooperate.
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How is preventing citizens from visiting bathrooms, and forcing them to keep their hands on their heads like prisoners keeping us safer? I travel extensively by air on business, both before and after Sept. 11, and I have to say that the security measures are still useless and a fraud on the traveling public. Any determined terrorist can and will penetrate through these shams. Only two weekends ago, I inadvertently carried a Gerber multi-tool (which included some [b]very[/b] sharp blades) through an X-ray machine in a backpack. I found it before my return flight and placed it in my checked baggage.
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 10:21:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By redray: you kids gotta remember, its the new world. not as safe as we once thought. personally, id take care of "business" before i boarded that plane and anytime during the flight other than the dreaded last half hour. wtf? is this really so damn hard to assure our safety??? quit friggin whining people. the authorities can only do so much. the least we can do is cooperate.
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It is the EXACT same world it was before Sept 11. Allowing a person a certain time to use the restroom is restrictive and stupid. The idea of controling a persons restroom time is only going to affect the honest lawful citizens. Sound familiar???? Its just like gun control, it only effects law abiding citizens. Do you honestly think that a would-be terrorist would give 2 rat's asses about some stupid rule abount not being able to get out of his seat for 30 min???? Hello, common sense alert. This kind of thinking is dangerous to the American Republic. WE MUST NOT ALLOW OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES TO BE TRAMPLED UPON! Bar none, end of story. If you would like to give up freedom for "safety", you are giveing creedence to the likes of Janet Reno and Diane Feinstein. You are telling them that what you want is for the government to take care of you and tuck you into bed at night. This country was founded on certian beliefs of freedom and a lack of oppression from the government. Lets not undue 200+ years of work and fall victim to the enemy!
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 10:46:25 AM EDT
Lord, it happened again! Passengers acting up like a pair of nancy boys! Wait a minute, they [u]are[/u] nancy boys! [size=4]Jetliner Lust Attracts F-16s[/size=4] By JOHN MARZULLI and BILL HUTCHINSON Daily News Staff Writers Randy, drug-fueled romp in a New York-bound jet's rest room sparked a midair terror scare that sent a pair of F-16 fighter jets scrambling, authorities revealed yesterday. But the red alert aboard American Airlines Flight 101 from London on Friday gave way to red faces when authorities discovered all the fuss was over two amorous British men. Police said the passengers, whose names were not released, admitted smoking crack cocaine and having sex in the cramped rest room. The miles-high ordeal began about 8:15 a.m. Friday on the London-to-New York flight, said an American Airlines spokeswoman. Flight attendants complained to the pilot that the two men were acting suspiciously, making four or five trips to the rest room together. "A captain had requested that the local authorities meet the two passengers at the gate at Kennedy," said airline spokeswoman Sonja Whitemon. [b]Air Force Listens In[/b] Air Force officials overheard the captain's radio dispatch to American Airlines operations and sent two F-16s to intercept the jetliner over the Atlantic Ocean, said Federal Aviation Administration officials. Whitemon insisted the airplane's crew did not ask for the military escort. "The captain requested that that not happen because he didn't believe the situation was that serious, but it happened anyway," Whitemon said. The two passengers were asleep when the plane touched down at JFK and were escorted off by Port Authority, Customs and FAA agents. No drugs were found on the men, who were not charged with any crimes. Immigration officials denied them entry into the country because they admitted smoking crack in the rest room, law enforcement officials said. The men were put back on a plane bound for London later Friday, officials said. See story at:[url]http://www.nydailynews.com/2002-02-13/News_and_Views/City_Beat/a-141259.asp[/url] Eric The(Great,AGay'MileHigh'Club!)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 11:01:03 AM EDT
Good Lord! "Four or five trips to the restroom" - what were they smoking? Oh, wait a minute, crack cocaine. What a bizarre story!
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 11:13:00 AM EDT
Post from BlackDog714 -
Allowing a person a certain time to use the restroom is restrictive and stupid. The idea of controling a persons restroom time is only going to affect the honest lawful citizens. Sound familiar????
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Surely you jest, right? Well, if not, then as you point out, this is a free country. But the FAA, acting upon the advice of experts, has decided on this particular rule for this particular airport during the Olympic Games. Buckle up! It's the law![:D]
Do you honestly think that a would-be terrorist would give 2 rat's asses about some stupid rule abount not being able to get out of his seat for 30 min????
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No, but limiting the number of folks getting up and moving around during the last 30 minutes of a flight would certainly make them stick out like a sore thumb! And remember, folks, we're only talking about rules for two friggin airports in the entire country, fer chrissakes! If you and your spastic colon can't handle that, then walk to Salt Lake City, or drive! Eric The(Sensible)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 11:16:32 AM EDT
Post from ckapsl -
Only two weekends ago, I inadvertently carried a Gerber multi-tool (which included some very sharp blades) through an X-ray machine in a backpack. I found it before my return flight and placed it in my checked baggage.
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Ick-snay, ick-snay! You actually mean you [u]thought[/u] that you inadvertantly carried a Gerber multi-tool..... Am I right?[:D] Eric The(StatuteOfLimitationsOnFederalFelony-10Years)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 11:25:41 AM EDT
OK your on a plane back from Mexico, and the burrito kicks in 29.5 minutes before the plane lands. Which charge do you go for: a) Interfering with a flight crew (going to bathroom) b) Releasing noxious gasses, and toxic waste in the cabin (whatever Fed law applies) c) Try to hold it all in and cures your friggin head off (blame it on tourrette syndrome)
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 11:33:43 AM EDT
Post from E1 -
OK your on a plane back from Mexico, and the burrito kicks in 29.5 minutes before the plane lands.
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Unless you are heading into Salt Lake City or Reagan National, there is no need for you to worry! But if you are, well, let me ask you, would you wet your pants for $25,000.00? Yes? Well, would you wet your pants to avoid paying $25,000.00? Eric The(IKnewYouWould)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 11:35:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Post from ckapsl -
Only two weekends ago, I inadvertently carried a Gerber multi-tool (which included some very sharp blades) through an X-ray machine in a backpack. I found it before my return flight and placed it in my checked baggage.
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Ick-snay, ick-snay! You actually mean you [u]thought[/u] that you inadvertantly carried a Gerber multi-tool..... Am I right?[:D] Eric The(StatuteOfLimitationsOnFederalFelony-10Years)Hun[>]:)]
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You are correct - I [b]thought[/b] it was a Gerber multi-tool in its closed sheath; but my wife investigated and found that inside was merely a certain device that she uses when I am on the road. [:I] [;)] She had placed it inside the sheath for discreetness. Thanks for the tip! [:D]
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 2:58:35 PM EDT
Well, if they want seniors on their flights, they may want to reconsider their policy. There are a lot of older men taking lasix and related drugs for heart failure and they need to use the restroom sometimes every hour (or less). That kind of policy could very well result in older folks changing their travel plans. What a lame deal.
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 3:09:12 PM EDT
"Those willing to give up a little liberty for a little security deserve neither security nor liberty." Benjamin Franklin
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 3:32:09 PM EDT
well if this doesnt cause a few changes to be made, here's what will: 1. taking a crap on your seat 2. taking a wiz on the seat in front of you.
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 4:59:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Hellraiser: "Those willing to give up a little liberty for a little security deserve neither security nor liberty." Benjamin Franklin
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My point exactly. We as a group should be not just fighting for our own causes, but for all causes that interfere with our collective civil liberties. Disallowing a person to use a public restroom is assinine. Hell, even in grade school the kids are allowed to go on their own.
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 5:13:32 PM EDT
Okay, here's the trick provided you JUST have to piss.. Obtain ONE airsickness bag. Consume coffee, and beer during the flight.. Deploy willy, use the airsickness bag to relive yourself, then as you exit the craft, make SURE you hand it to an attendant, or gate agent. Smile profusely, and look completely thrilled with the quality of service you recieved of course.. I'm wondering if this sillyness will last past the Olympics.. Meplat-
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 5:29:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Meplat: Deploy willy, use the airsickness bag to relive yourself, then as you exit the craft, make SURE you hand it to an attendant, or gate agent. Smile profusely, and look completely thrilled with the quality of service you recieved of course..
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I'd rather face the wrath of the air marshals, thanks--at least then I'll only go to jail, and not to a mental hospital (removing your right forever after to own a gun, btw.)
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 5:36:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Unless you are heading into Salt Lake City or Reagan National, there is no need for you to worry! would you wet your pants to avoid paying $25,000.00?
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Question 1: How long till they start doing this on ALL flights--I mean, after all, if the capital is worth extraordinary measures to protect it, isn't every other major city? Question 2: Just what value do you place on human dignity, Mr. Hun? Question 3: How about the other hundred-odd people who had to "assume the position" for half an hour? If your arm cramps up and you have to remove your hands from your head to massage it, does the sky marshal get a free pass to blow your head off? Another poster quoted Benjamin Franklin--and I agree wholeheartedly. Why does that argument make sense when we're trying to prevent the government from taking our guns away, but not when defending another freedom just as important?
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 8:34:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ckapsl: ... Authorities said a flight attendant instructed Bizarro to return to his seat immediately after he left the bathroom. She said Bizarro, who is 6-foot-2 and 220 pounds, ignored her orders and stared at her for about a minute before returning to his seat, according to the FBI (news - web sites). The incident was seen by two of three undercover air marshals on board, the FBI said. One of the agents said he saw Bizarro give what appeared to be a "thumbs up" to another passenger as he returned to his seat, prompting the marshals to take control of the cabin. ...
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Sounds like the trouble started AFTER he finished in the bathroom.
Link Posted: 2/13/2002 9:34:18 PM EDT
Indeed. "stared at the flight attendant for a minute" and a "thumbs up" to some other guy. Pretty wierd, I'd probably get excited too if I was the air marshal. All this after a new FBI warning for an attack this week? If the guy sheepishly said he's really sorry, but he absolutly had to go and he'll return immediatly to his seat, I bet it would have been blown off.
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