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Posted: 2/8/2002 8:43:51 PM EDT
I'm going to buy a new rifle in a couple months... I really would prefer to buy an AR as I did quite a bit of shooting with the M-16 in the Infantry (shot on the Southcom team one year) and I'm familiar with it and like it... While mostly it'll be a target/plinker, I also want to be able to bring down a Whitetail with it... Don't really want to lay out the 'up front' for an AR-10... I question whether or not the .223 is heavy enough or not though... Is it?
Link Posted: 2/8/2002 8:47:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/8/2002 8:49:50 PM EDT by quietshoez]
the hunting issue may actually be more about the law, i know a few states, mine included, require a centerfire round of at least .25 caliber, which makes it illegal to hunt medium sized game with a .223 personally, i think the right load placed correctly will take down anything. get an AR, you can never go wrong with one. if you don't like it, sell it. buy beer and a slingshot [beer]
Link Posted: 2/8/2002 8:51:13 PM EDT
Get at least a 1/9 twist barrel and use 70grn bullets. If you do your part there won't be any deer left in OK.[:D] Even the 55grn fmj will drop almost anything with a well placed shot.
Link Posted: 2/8/2002 8:58:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/8/2002 9:00:24 PM EDT by lordtrader]
Just a suggestion: Get 2 uppers. A 7.62X39(DPMS) for hunting and a .223 for plinking and overall use. If so inclined to hunt really big game. Get a .50 BMG upper while you are at it. Beauty of the AR is that it is very modular and easy to accessories. Kinda like a good girlfriend.
Link Posted: 2/8/2002 9:12:20 PM EDT
Bill; Check the pic's at the bottom of the page at this link. [url]www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=90294[/url] Borg
Link Posted: 2/9/2002 4:45:25 AM EDT
A guy writing for American Hunter went out a killed a bunch of deer with .224 caliber rifles and came to the conclusion that they were very effective so long as the velocity was above 2700 fps and you used quality bullets (Nosler Partition, Barnes, etc.). He said the performance declined noticeably once the bullet fell below that velocity threshold.
Link Posted: 2/9/2002 4:49:17 AM EDT
You should check your local hunting laws, here in Va is illegal to hunt deer with a 22 cal anything. If you shot on the SOUTHCOM team you already know the 223 round is effective on humans.
Link Posted: 2/9/2002 5:22:29 AM EDT
Keep in mind that the AR-15 is also made in .243 cal, by Bushmaster I believe. Thus one could have a .223 to shoot cheaply & a .243 for hunting. IMO, stay away from the AR-10 unless you have lots & lots of money for mags. There's plenty of cheaper & better options for .308cal if that's what you need for hunting & shooting.
Link Posted: 2/9/2002 5:33:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/9/2002 9:07:36 AM EDT by 5subslr5]
Then please let me recommend the ArmaLite AR-10A4 in .243. Plinking or hunting it's a fine weapon and the .243 a fine cartridge.
Link Posted: 2/9/2002 5:52:00 AM EDT
In Ar. with 100 lb. white tails the .223 works just fine. Obviously you are more careful with bullet placement and bullet type.
Link Posted: 2/9/2002 5:52:11 AM EDT
A good friend of mine here south of the Red River has taken his last two deer with his 20" heavy barrelled AR15A2. He used something more than the standard 55 or 62grn ball rounds, but I'm not sure exactly what. His last one was taken from ~180 yards. The round went in just behind the shoulder, destroyed the heart and broke the offside shoulder on its way out. Repeat after me: "Shot placement is the key." "Shot placement is the key." "Shot placement is the key." Good luck whichever way you decide to go.
Link Posted: 2/11/2002 4:58:05 PM EDT
Thanks everyone for all the replies... For all the research I've done here and elsewhere I've still to come up with a definative decision... The Eagle Arms AR10 retails for $999 and would be a good AR in .308... Or I could go with an AR15 and a Lee Enfield bolt action for hunting when I don't think the .223 is heavy enough if that should ever be the case and have a good excuse to build an extra rifle, too! And that in a scout style rifle would be a cool rifle tto build too...
Link Posted: 2/11/2002 5:47:10 PM EDT
I had heart bypass surgery in November and I wanted to go deer hunting in December. My surgeon was against it until I brought him a copy of the rifle recoil tables. He said I could go but I must use a .223 caliber. This is legal in Texas. I dropped an eight point buck and also a doe with a little NEF Handi Rifle chambered with a .223 caliber 55 grain V max bullet. Neither deer ran over 20 yards. The exit wounds looked like the deer were shot with a .30-06. The .223 is a good whitetail cartridge provided you can accurately place your shot. BTW, I shot each deer just behind the shoulder. Jim
Link Posted: 2/12/2002 1:43:47 AM EDT
I have taken big mules here in Idaho with the 5.56 and the 7.62, like someone else said, it depends on you not the weapon. After all they kill them with arrows don't they?
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