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Posted: 2/8/2002 7:48:41 AM EDT
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40984-2002Feb7.html[/url] ---- NEW YORK –– A disputed, prize-winning book about the role of guns in the United States will undergo a formal inquiry from Emory University, where author Michael Bellesiles is a professor of history. In a statement released this week, Emory official Robert A. Paul said that the Atlanta-based school has initiated a process for "addressing allegations of misconduct in research." ---- Things look very bad for him. This could well wiund up being one of the greatest cases of academic fraud in decades.
Link Posted: 2/8/2002 7:53:22 AM EDT
This dude lied to the press, lied on television and lied to us and that was alright. However, when decided to lie to the Academics...
Link Posted: 2/8/2002 7:55:14 AM EDT
Cool. I'm always up for a good "weenie" roast. Burn, Bellesiles, burn.
Link Posted: 2/8/2002 7:57:32 AM EDT
They all [b]lie[/b], but this one lied about something that is near and dear to us! Hang 'em, hang 'em high! Eric The(Reasonable)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 2/8/2002 8:03:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/8/2002 8:04:15 AM EDT by mr_bungle]
I fully expect a Reno-esque sham of an investigation, upon which Bellesiles will be "exonerated", and his book will rocket to #1 on the NYT bestseller list. These people protect their own, especially when there's nothing to gain by taking them down. Don't forget that.
Link Posted: 2/8/2002 8:04:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: They all [b]lie[/b], but this one lied about something that is near and dear to us! Hang 'em, hang 'em high! Eric The(Reasonable)Hun[>]:)]
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And we could this time 'PROVE' he lied - and about something near and dear. ------------------------------------------------ (eirc, this near and dear thing - I know you're talking about bulldozers but most people will believe you're talking about guns and that's alright.)
Link Posted: 2/8/2002 8:18:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By mr_bungle: I fully expect a Reno-esque sham of an investigation, upon which Bellesiles will be "exonerated", and his book will rocket to #1 on the NYT bestseller list. These people protect their own, especially when there's nothing to gain by taking them down. Don't forget that.
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I'm not so sure that he will be "exonerated" considering the massive amount evidence that he cooked up supporting documentation. But we shall see, this will also reflect on the committe that is reviewing his work. I think they can handle "little white lies," but when it comes to "big, bad outright lies," then all bets are off.
Link Posted: 2/8/2002 8:20:32 AM EDT
DOH...!
Link Posted: 2/8/2002 8:27:35 AM EDT
Well, I hope the hack gets his just desserts, and loses his tenure and job. Of course, he will be made a martyr and folk hero by the liberal-till-it-makes-you-sick Emory community and the socialist anti-gun Atlanta press. [pissed]
Link Posted: 2/8/2002 10:02:25 AM EDT
No university will stand for fraudulent research by anyone. He might be able to skate by with some of the work he's done--for example, selective quoting of various sources--but manufacturing data, as he appears to have done in the case of the SF probate records, is an academic death sentence, everywhere and always. No department could let that slide and still maintain a reputation in academia.
Link Posted: 2/8/2002 11:49:28 AM EDT
Can you imagine the damage that would have been done if the basic premise of this book had ever become accepted doctrine? I actually bought the book and it scared me to death. I can hear the argument now - “Gee, if practically nobody owned weapons in the early days of America, then the founders must have meant the 2nd amendment applies only to the state!” There are some real heroes in this saga, among them the Boston Globe (can you believe it, the Boston Globe?), which broke the story. Here is the first paragraph of the original story - no more is available without paying a fee. Even this little sample of the article gives a hint of the glee the antis had over this book. [size=4]NEW DOUBTS ABOUT GUN HISTORIAN RESEARCH TO RECEIVE HARD CRITIQUE TODAY[/size=4] Published on September 11, 2001. [b]Author(s):[/b] David Mehegan, Globe Staff “When Emory University historian Michael A. Bellesiles published his sweeping historical study of guns in Colonial America last fall, the reaction was electric. His thesis that guns were relatively rare in Colonial households, and that the American "gun culture" didn't take hold until long after the Founding Fathers drafted the Second Amendment's "right to bear arms," was immediately hailed by gun control advocates and by a host of historians impressed by his......” Another hero is Melissa Seckora who takes the book apart [url=www.nationalreview.com/15oct01/seckora101501.shtml]here[/url], [url=www.nationalreview.com/nr_comment/nr_comment112601.shtml] here[/url], and [url=www.nationalreview.com/nr_comment/nr_comment012902.shtml], here[/url]. Thank God there are still some responsible members of the press around. Few, but at least greater than zero. Mike
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