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Posted: 1/31/2002 4:54:02 PM EDT
MP5SD...good enough for Reno..it's good 'nuf for me! TheRedGoat
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Birdman Weapons Systems Barrett M82B1K-PDW .50 BMG Entry Weapon. [img]http://www.birdman.org/images/m82b1kpdwbig.jpg[/img]
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walther MPK or the car gustav model 45 john
Link Posted: 1/31/2002 5:39:29 PM EDT
I always liked the obsolete MP-40. It looks like a SMG should.
Link Posted: 1/31/2002 5:41:48 PM EDT
Either the FN-P90 or the Calico M-960
Link Posted: 1/31/2002 5:56:56 PM EDT
I like the Thompson SMG.
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The Sten MK II
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M3A1! Collapses into a "small" package and is .45 to boot.
Link Posted: 1/31/2002 6:07:08 PM EDT
My favorite [b]SMG[/b]? [b]S[/b]arah [b]M[/b]ichelle [b]G[/b]ellar, of course! [:D]
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MP-5A3 or Uzi Carbine BTW, The INS used MP5A3s with Double 32 Round Magazines and Tactical Lights not MP5SD3s when they kidnapped Elian. go to [url]http://www.noreno.org[/url] and you can see pics of the guns used. [img]http://noreno.no-ip.com:800/seq6.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 1/31/2002 6:15:19 PM EDT
Thompson. Only SMG I've ever fired, but man was it fun. If only I could afford to feed one... [:D]
Link Posted: 1/31/2002 6:46:14 PM EDT
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KRINKOV 5.45x39mm No, I've never fired one, and probably never fucking will.
Link Posted: 1/31/2002 6:54:22 PM EDT
[IMG]http://album.gunsnet.net/data/mp40/full_296_p1659.jpg[/IMG] Mauser 712
Link Posted: 1/31/2002 6:58:48 PM EDT
I knew the answer till I read all these cool choices. OK, still the schmeisser, with complimentary krumlauf undt steilgranates. -------- "Handes hoch, rota kapella!"
Link Posted: 1/31/2002 7:02:35 PM EDT
MP5SD! or MP10 ala FBI entry teams
Link Posted: 1/31/2002 7:21:57 PM EDT
here's my favs' Ingram MAC-10 .45acp Thompson 1928 .45acp German MP-38 or MP-40 both 9mm Parabellum Sten Mk II 9mm Parabellum IMI UZI 9mm Parabellum HK MP5 9mm Parabellum I'm SURE there are more that are jus slippin my mind at the moment LOL
Link Posted: 1/31/2002 7:22:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2002 7:23:02 PM EDT by 7IDL]
[b][red][size=3]MP5SD[/b][/red][/size=3] [img]http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/pages/military/images/mp5sd_r3_c2.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 1/31/2002 7:32:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2002 8:31:02 PM EDT by M4]
I don't need a silenced weapon...I'll take the noise.... [img]www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/pages/military/images/mp5a3_2_r3_c2.gif[/img] [img]www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/pages/military/images/gun.gif[/img] (Edited to add the UMP. Gotta love a .45 sub from HK) P.S.- Just curious, no flame intended, but if the UZI was the ultra weapon, as some claim it is, then why do pretty much every Spec Ops team use HK subs? They could have UZI's if they were what the job called for, but they don't. Antisemitism? Don't get me wrong, I like the UZI, just don't think it's the best subgun.
Link Posted: 1/31/2002 7:49:41 PM EDT
H&K UMP in 45cal. Tried one at Classic Pistol in Philly. You'd dig it the most!
Link Posted: 1/31/2002 7:54:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2002 11:01:08 PM EDT by David_Hineline]
For self defense/tactical I choose UZI carbine For gamesmanship and long range accuracy I choose M16-9mm For cuteness the MP5K in a briefcase is the proverbial cute gadget gun. For quietness the last thing I would choose is a MP5SD cause they way HK ports the barrel it takes the power down to the level of a .380
Link Posted: 1/31/2002 8:07:07 PM EDT
UZI. Its reasonable and fun. You can get a .45 conversion that uses $8 grease gun mags as well as a .22lr conversion so you can afford to shoot it. Mines on the way. Dave
Link Posted: 1/31/2002 8:09:18 PM EDT
Depends on the purpose and environment, but I'm very much in agreement with David Hineline. For defense/combat in a harsh, dirty environment, it would be the Uzi without a doubt. In a cleaner role, the M16/9 or the MP5. The MP5 is a smoother shooter, but the ergonomics suck compared to a M16/9mm. For pure lead-slinging fun at a line shoot, its hard to beat an AM180.
Link Posted: 1/31/2002 9:27:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TREETOP: My favorite [b]SMG[/b]? [b]S[/b]arah [b]M[/b]ichelle [b]G[/b]ellar, of course! [:D]
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[img]http://www.smgfan.com/pictures/favorite/fav05.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 1/31/2002 9:44:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TheRedGoat: MP5SD...good enough for Reno..it's good 'nuf for me! TheRedGoat
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Ditto, I have always wanted one. Ever since I was a kid(well back then I just wanted the MP5N). After shooting mojo's though, I think about the MP5SD at least 3-4x a day. Man I want one bad!!! At this point in my life, I would give up getting laid for a year......oh no wait...its almost a year since I got laid. DAMMIT where's my MP5!!!!
Link Posted: 1/31/2002 9:51:41 PM EDT
UMP 45!!!
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MP5-K [:D]
Link Posted: 1/31/2002 11:03:00 PM EDT
Fingers the 22lr kit Vector Arms makes is a great cost saver when your soon to be ammo mooching friends show up. Once you get a machinegun you will soon find your friends have no ammo or wallets.
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This would do it for me.... [img]http://www.bteg.com/~cougar/HK94l.jpg[/img] I'm dying to have an MP5a* too!!!
Link Posted: 2/5/2002 4:27:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/5/2002 4:35:36 AM EDT by drfcolt]
My M16/9. MP5 is the king of the hill, but I know the workings of mine and it can be tuned to be pretty close the MP5. MP5 breaks and it's a trip to the HK-doctor. As far as "cool factor", mine does OK: [img]www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid29/p365e31c71294111b2bca6222c8ccb268/fdf4fac4.jpg[/img] [img]www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid29/p294de3fe30a53bef7abb8738f961fe98/fdf4faee.jpg[/img] [img]www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid29/p9ce657fa092241a65e38944388a97a07/fdf4fb0f.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 2/5/2002 5:28:29 AM EDT
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The XM177E2. Even though it was not a pistol caliber however it was still classified as a SMG.[heavy]
Link Posted: 2/5/2002 5:37:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By drfcolt: My M16/9. MP5 is the king of the hill, but I know the workings of mine and it can be tuned to be pretty close the MP5. MP5 breaks and it's a trip to the HK-doctor. As far as "cool factor", mine does OK:
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I think we have a winner for "Understatement of the Year!" Super kewl. David_Hineline, After the 'new' wore off of providing ammo to friends and relatives, I began telling them all "Come on out and shoot, if you want to shoot anything I own, just bring ammo." Works like a champ! Moochers quit asking to shoot, others now bring ammo. Troy, about shooting the MP5SD, it's sweeter than sweet! The sound of bullets bouncing off trees is louder than the action of the gun. Sounds like a blow dart throwing rocks at trees. Very interesting to hear the 'flight path' of rounds that you thought were not leaving the property. Very educational, indeed. TheRedGoat
Link Posted: 2/5/2002 5:39:21 AM EDT
The German MP-40 of WWII fame. I've never had a chance to shoot one, but I still see them occassionally. They must be pretty tuff. Folding stock, 32 round mag. 9mm. Simple to make, simple to maintain. The STeN gun is a copy. Looks like crap, but same basic Idea. Sheet metal stamping, cheap to make. I think the Germans got it right. 60+ years ago.
Link Posted: 2/5/2002 6:03:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By JimE2: The German MP-40 of WWII fame. I've never had a chance to shoot one, but I still see them occassionally. They must be pretty tuff. Folding stock, 32 round mag. 9mm. Simple to make, simple to maintain. The STeN gun is a copy. Looks like crap, but same basic Idea. Sheet metal stamping, cheap to make. I think the Germans got it right. 60+ years ago.
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[url]http://www.ww2n.com/films/mp40_project/[/url]
Link Posted: 2/5/2002 7:14:08 AM EDT
drfcolt..... Need any new friends? I know, I live in FL and you're in PA....but I'm willing to make the trip. Seriously, that is a sweeeeeeet AR you have yourself. Not that you need to have it validated by me, just wanted to compliment you on creating a beautiful weapon. VERY nice!
Link Posted: 2/5/2002 7:16:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By M4: P.S.- Just curious, no flame intended, but if the UZI was the ultra weapon, as some claim it is, then why do pretty much every Spec Ops team use HK subs? They could have UZI's if they were what the job called for, but they don't. Antisemitism? Don't get me wrong, I like the UZI, just don't think it's the best subgun.
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Anyone care to address this?
Link Posted: 2/5/2002 8:01:26 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/5/2002 8:14:06 AM EDT
Originally Posted By mojo: [b]
Originally Posted By M4:
Originally Posted By M4: P.S.- Just curious, no flame intended, but if the UZI was the ultra weapon, as some claim it is, then why do pretty much every Spec Ops team use HK subs? They could have UZI's if they were what the job called for, but they don't. Antisemitism? Don't get me wrong, I like the UZI, just don't think it's the best subgun.
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[/b] My guess: 1. The weight factor. 2. Uzi is open bolt; therefore, first shot is less accurate. 3. MP5 is more accurate when go full auto. 4. Probably, cool factor. I shot all three. And I like them all.
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Everything makes sense, except for #4. I don't think guys who stake their lives on their weapons are concerned with a "cool factor". I know, you were probably joking.
Link Posted: 2/5/2002 8:23:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By mojo: [b]
Originally Posted By M4:
Originally Posted By M4: P.S.- Just curious, no flame intended, but if the UZI was the ultra weapon, as some claim it is, then why do pretty much every Spec Ops team use HK subs? They could have UZI's if they were what the job called for, but they don't. Antisemitism? Don't get me wrong, I like the UZI, just don't think it's the best subgun.
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[/b] My guess: 1. The weight factor. 2. Uzi is open bolt; therefore, first shot is less accurate. 3. MP5 is more accurate when go full auto. 4. Probably, cool factor. I shot all three. And I like them all.
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Having only shot the MP5SD and the UZI, I can give my opinion oon the "Why not an UZI?" Open bolt, as Mojo pointed out, affects accuracy to some degree, in CQB, I wonder if this would be a factor? I doubt it, but it does allow for some serious debris to be collected in the chamber if you go dropping, and rolling. Ergonomics seem to be much better on the MP5SD than on the Uzi. I really, really doubt many people use Anti-Semitism to determine their entry teams' primary weapon. TheRedGoat
Link Posted: 2/5/2002 8:35:51 AM EDT
american 180 :)
Link Posted: 2/5/2002 8:36:24 AM EDT
MP5-K & UMP45 w/navy trigger. Even though it's probably not a true subgun, I like the G36K, if retrofitted with the stock & sight rail from the G36C. My H&K 94's not a bad substitute. Someday, if I move to a C3 friendly state, it'll be morphed into the MP5-K, w/navy trigger. Then, G36K/C will be right alongside, to keep it company. No gun should be alone. [:D]
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Of the two that I've shot, a Sten and an M16A1, of course the M16.
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