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Posted: 1/28/2002 8:45:53 AM EDT
Well for my 500th post I thought I would put out a pull to see if you think that the AWB will sunset in 04'. Does this mean that NICS will go away to, wasn't that part of the 94 crime bill?
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 8:48:48 AM EDT
I severely doubt it will be allowed to sunset. The media is completely against it, and the Repubs won't risk P.O.ing the soccer moms by allowing it to go away.
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 8:52:15 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 8:53:37 AM EDT
Not a chance in hell. Might as well stop talking about it.
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 9:01:09 AM EDT
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I voted but I suspect what's happening both militarily and politically at 'THAT' time will decide. (I voted "The AWB will be renewed.") Good 500th post - something important to the vast majority of us. [beer]
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 9:06:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/28/2002 9:07:40 AM EDT by Armed_Scientist]
Personaly, I think it will be dead on arivial. It just barley passed a democratic congress in 94', and right now we control the house, and will likley control both house of congress after this election. I do not think that it will be able to pass, and even if it did I don't think that Bush would risk signing it and alignating his base. Gun control is an out of style issue with the bleeding heart types out there. It is arguable that it cost them the presidency in 00'. Also it's not even on the political radar screen, except for a few things that they are trying to slip in to 'anti-terror' bills that are all dead when they hit the floor. Thanx 5sub
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 9:07:08 AM EDT
A quick add. There was a post recently concerning "Ruger" in general and "Bill Ruger" specifically. Ruger's actions regarding the "AWB" matter may go a long way toward shedding light on that debate.
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 9:08:50 AM EDT
Originally Posted By MarineGrunt: Not a chance in hell. Might as well stop talking about it.
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What he said!
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 9:12:41 AM EDT
I voted that it will sunset! Provided that all RKBA supporters get off their duffs and elect a solidly Republican Congress in 2002. That election will probably have a greater impact on the RKBA than the 2004 election will! If the GOP controls the House, the renewal will not pass, if they control the Senate the renewal vote will be filibustered to death, or not even brought up for a vote! Then Pres. Bush will not face the certain downside of either vetoing the renewed AW bill, or signing it, right before the 2004 election! God help us all on this! Eric The(Pro-'TalibanWing'OfTheGOP)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 9:15:54 AM EDT
The Ruger aspect of it was something I hadn't heard before, I wonder if the AWB could have passed in 94' without America's largest gun maker plawing the road to the high-cap ban. I think at this point the battle lines are clearer, and I don't think that there will be that kind of defections. I think S&W has made it clear what happens when you coperate with the enemy.
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 9:37:11 AM EDT
if it don't were all in trouble. this is just a litmus test, if we let it stay the feds will just pile on more sh!t untill we are a dying breed..
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 9:41:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By the_survivalist: if it don't were all in trouble. this is just a litmus test, if we let it stay the feds will just pile on more sh!t untill we are a dying breed..
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I hate to be the one to say it, but we ARE a dying breed. Unless somewhere along the line, someone proves the 2nd to be an individual right in fed. court, then maybe, MAYBE we won't lose this war. But if that doesnt happen, say bye-bye to your EVIL guns.
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 9:50:34 AM EDT
Can some please explain exactly what has to happen for the AWB to sunset ? Does the AWB automatically expire if there is no vote on it ? Does it have to be voted on in order for it to expire ? Do both houses have to vote on it ? When would all this have to happen ? Ten years from when the AWB bill was passed or 10 years from the date it took effect ? Also did the '89 ban pass the point were it can not sunset ?
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 9:52:02 AM EDT
This reminds me of the chapter in "[i]Unintended Consequences[/i]" where Henry is at the Knob Creek shoot and holds a straw poll of how many will be voting for George Bush the elder in the 1992 election. The results are unanimous against and he gives the impromptu speech that would convert those who intended to vote against GHWB. Someone there faxed the poll results, the speech and some advice to GHWB's brother, but he couldn't get through to the White House during the last days before the election, and Bush was crushed by Clinton. Someone needs to get the word to GWB that, unless he wants to be a one-term president like his father, he needs to get off his ass and do what's right. It's non-negotiable. I have never written to a president before, but have been considering writing to this one to make this point, though a touch more eloquently. Input?
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 10:06:53 AM EDT
I think there is a good chance that this one won't make it to Bush's desk. I think there is a good chance that it won't make it to the floor of Congress. The Republicans know that gun owners make up a good part of their base. I think that they are going to work as hard as they can so that they won't have to take a vote on it and risk alienating either gun owners and soccer moms. GWB feels the same way. If he doesn't have to take a stand on it right before the election, he won't have to risk pissing off a bunch of voters. I think that there is a good chance it will die in commitee or that Congress and the Senate will pass very different bills that they'll never be able to reconcile and they'll die too. That's exactly what happened with one of McCain's gun show bills and some of the campaign finance reform crap. I think the Democraps won't be too keen on bringing up the subject either because they were burned pretty bad after they passed the first one. I'll keep my fingers crossed though. In the meantime, let's all write our senators and congressmen and donate time and money to work on our cause.
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 10:13:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Philadelphia_GunMan: Can some please explain exactly what has to happen for the AWB to sunset ? Does the AWB automatically expire if there is no vote on it ? Does it have to be voted on in order for it to expire ? Do both houses have to vote on it ? When would all this have to happen ? Ten years from when the AWB bill was passed or 10 years from the date it took effect ? Also did the '89 ban pass the point were it can not sunset ?
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One of the provisions of the AWB was that after 10 years it expires. So basicly as long as nothing is done to reintroduce it, it will slip into the good night.
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 10:14:19 AM EDT
Jarhead_22, writing the President is a waste of time. The letter will be sent to the automated computer response system and you'll get the standard computer generated response. I stopped writing my Senators months ago when I never got back a personalized response. It's useless. Representatives are different since their constituencies are smaller. I still write my reps. If you really want to make a difference, you must learn this right now "Money talks, shit walks". Build up a war chest, donate tens of thousands to GOA, NRA, the Republicans, and tbe Bush campaign and you'll probably get to talk to GWB personally. No kidding! The AWB will sunset. The Republicans have gerrymandered the districts so they'll hold onto and most probably gain seats this year. The Senate will swing back to Republican control because of all the "blue" Senators in "red" states, and GWB will be kissing the NRA's ass so he'll HAVE to veto it. Lest he anger a $20 million donor. This pessimism from you old farty Elmer Fudd losers is really starting to frustrate me. Maybe you should spend a little less on your skeet guns and make your money count for something real!! "Money is the mother's milk of politics." Donate Donate Donate and you'll get whatever you want!
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 10:24:42 AM EDT
Jarhead_22 - write your congresscritter, you'll get a whole lot more attention! Is it Sam Johnson? If it is you'll be preaching to the choir! Sam Johnson (one of the longest captive POWs from Vietnam War) is a died-in-the-wool RKBA kind of guy! Eric The(GOPUeberAlles)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 10:35:55 AM EDT
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Last year, I sent paper mail to all of my congress critters (including McCain) regarding a gun related house bill. I received a personalized, positive response from each of them with the exception of McCain (although my letter to McCain had a decidedly different tone than the others). I wasn't sure which congressional district I was in, so I wrote to [i]both[/i] possible representatives and both senators. The three that responded promised to support the Second Amendment Restoration Act (which never made it out of commitee) and pledged their support to our right to keep and bear arms.
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 10:44:38 AM EDT
Wasn't there some study that was published last year about how the 'assault weapons ban' did absolutely nothing? As in, it did not reduce crime (any crimes in any way)... Seems to me if we, or our side, could raise that issue, and say that the ban didn't DO anything, why have it? M@
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 10:49:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By AR15FENCER: Wasn't there some study that was published last year about how the 'assault weapons ban' did absolutely nothing? As in, it did not reduce crime (any crimes in any way)...
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I'm sure there is, but it's mostly common sense.
Seems to me if we, or our side, could raise that issue, and say that the ban didn't DO anything, why have it?
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Because the Antis and Socialists don't undertand that concept. They believe that if a law doesn't work, it needs to be strengthened, or given more teeth. If a law is working, better results can be acheived by strengthening the same law. Besides, the AWB was never about stopping crime, it was about banning the AK-47 and AR15.
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 10:57:37 AM EDT
Picked Sunset option, only for a glimmer of hope. Even if it sunsets, the Caliban rule here so the law will not affect us. [V]
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 10:58:26 AM EDT
I voted it will sunset - just a feeling. [:D] Tyler
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 10:59:50 AM EDT
Wasn't there some study that was published last year about how the 'assault weapons ban' did absolutely nothing? As in, it did not reduce crime (any crimes in any way)... Seems to me if we, or our side, could raise that issue, and say that the ban didn't DO anything, why have it? M@
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That's thinking logically though. I think most of them realize that banning guns has no, or a worse effect on the crime rate. They want to ban them because of the culture they represent, mostly conservative white males. They are always preaching tolerance when it doesn't have to apply to them. They want to wipe out the gun culture because they see it as somehow being barbaric.
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 11:00:58 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Jarhead_22 - write your congresscritter, you'll get a whole lot more attention! Is it Sam Johnson? If it is you'll be preaching to the choir! Sam Johnson (one of the longest captive POWs from Vietnam War) is a died-in-the-wool RKBA kind of guy!
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Sam is my Congressman, and I write him regularly. I always receive return correspondence on point and specific to the concerns or questions raised in my letters. Sam is the man. Kay Bailey Hutchison and Phil Gramm have replied to my letters, but usually with a general "I will always strive to protect the right to keep and bear arms" tone rather than specifically answering questions and concerns raised in my correspondence.
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 11:04:37 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Buddyman: Jarhead_22, writing the President is a waste of time.
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Which is one reason why I've never done it.
This pessimism from you old farty Elmer Fudd losers is really starting to frustrate me. Maybe you should spend a little less on your skeet guns and make your money count for something real
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Where the hell did this come from? How does this help me? Or is this just a general reaction to those who believe the AWB will not sunset?
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 11:08:24 AM EDT
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The AWB will sunset. The Republicans have gerrymandered the districts so they'll hold onto and most probably gain seats this year. The Senate will swing back to Republican control because of all the "blue" Senators in "red" states, and GWB will be kissing the NRA's ass so he'll HAVE to veto it. Lest he anger a $20 million donor.
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I seriously hope you aren't counting on the NRA for any help...the NRA won't give two-tenths of a micron of gnat shit about your evil "assault weapons". They'll be silent as usual about the ban either way...They quit being a gun rights organization and became a money-making compromise organization years ago. As long as it don't involve Moses' musket or purty shotguns, then the NRA's silence is deafening. Contribute directly to the candidate of choice and to GOA. Pit
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 11:12:52 AM EDT
Why is it we have to have this thread on average of once a week? We should just pin one to the top. Writing your reps is a near complete waste of time. I've never gotten back anything but a stupid form letter that usually has nothing to do with what I wrote in about or just expresses their personal opinions on the subject which are usually 180 degrees opposed to mine. Just typical liberal horseshit sent out to make us idiots think we have some say in what happens when we actually do not. I'm glad some of you got back real letters, but does that even matter? The only people they listen to are lobbyists--GOA, mainly. NRA ain't worth a damn anymore seems like. Buying politicians isn't really the answer either--didn't help Enron any. The only thing that works is people getting out into the streets and raising hell for the cameras--that's why TN has no state income tax, for example. It's just mobocracy, but that may be slightly superior to kleptocracy. Either way, we are unbelievably lucky to not have widespread gun bans by now. But will the AW ban sunset? Do we even know if the sunset includes the background checks and so forth? I doubt that it does. In fact, if it's anything like the "sunset" provisions in the USA PATRIOT Act, it won't mean a damn thing anyways. Probably some little arcane chapter is all that will sunset.
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 11:23:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: I voted that it will sunset! Provided that all RKBA supporters get off their duffs and elect a solidly Republican Congress in 2002. That election will probably have a greater impact on the RKBA than the 2004 election will! If the GOP controls the House, the renewal will not pass, if they control the Senate the renewal vote will be filibustered to death, or not even brought up for a vote! Then Pres. Bush will not face the certain downside of either vetoing the renewed AW bill, or signing it, right before the 2004 election! God help us all on this! Eric The(Pro-'TalibanWing'OfTheGOP)Hun[>]:)]
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I voted "Will Renew." Because I don't see people getting off their duffs and getting involved. Other wise Eric is right. We need to start [b]yesterday[/b] getting non-shooters invovled and finding out that our black rifles are not evil in and of themselves. Change the fence sitters ideas. And then get them involved in writing their congress critters.
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 12:21:16 PM EDT
Whatever happens, you can bet your bottom dollar that Debya will work as hard as Bill did in slipping the impeachment noose in avoiding the whole issue. He will lean very hard on Congress or the Senate to make sure it never reaches a vote.
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 12:28:36 PM EDT
I agree with Pogo, it will get killed in congress, if for no other reason then to keep Bush from taking the bullet on this one, for him it'd be damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 12:29:03 PM EDT
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I know this reply is repetitively redundant [:D]but I believe the political climate at THAT MOMENT will go along way toward which decision. U.S. Public Companies are thinking about next quarters earnings. In China about 20% of their politicians are thinking short-term - the next 20 years or so. The other 80% are thinking long-term - from 20 years to 100 years. Our politicians will be thinking about winning their next election. The politicians will sniff the political winds of that time and make their carefully studied decisions. (Edited to add: on to Europa, Mars and the stars....)
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 12:31:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Armed_Scientist: I agree with Pogo, it will get killed in congress, if for no other reason then to keep Bush from taking the bullet on this one, for him it'd be damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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Make that three of us. This thing will never make it to George. I think that most of the people who think it's here to stay are just in denial because they have a closet full of expensive prebans. I got rid of most of mine with a plan to replace them in October 2004 [:)]
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 12:34:26 PM EDT
Hey, I know a guy who is writing congressmen supporting the ban to protect the value of his guns. I can understand the logic, but it still pissed me off.
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 12:36:37 PM EDT
If the world continues to be interesting as it has been in the past year, the AWB may just be set on the back burner as non-important...perhaps saved for a better time. But we must expect a large campaign to get the ban permanent from the Brady Circle Jerk Society and its friends.
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 12:38:07 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/28/2002 12:40:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Armed_Scientist: Hey, I know a guy who is writing congressmen supporting the ban to protect the value of his guns. I can understand the logic, but it still pissed me off.
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Multi-Armed, as you know there are various publications that value guns. I know a guy these pubs often call for help. He consistently values low to increase his profits as he sells in the 'real' market. Maybe not good but the other guy..........
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 12:43:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
Originally Posted By Armed_Scientist: I agree with Pogo, it will get killed in congress, if for no other reason then to keep Bush from taking the bullet on this one, for him it'd be damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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Make that three of us. This thing will never make it to George. I think that most of the people who think it's here to stay are just in denial because they have a closet full of expensive prebans. I got rid of most of mine with a plan to replace them in October 2004 [:)]
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I have one of those expensive pre-ban Colts I bought new in '91 for $650. I have no problem with it not being worth $1000 or so over night as it is not for sell. I was going to add...for any price. But everything has a price. Someone just has to make a really STUPID offer I just can't refuse. [:D] I would then replace it and if it dropped in value over night, GREAT. I'd truely love it.
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 12:47:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By M4Madness: People, I do [b]not[/b] think that it will sunset. George Bush may be pro-gun, but I personally doubt that he is pro-AW. The general public is afraid of AW's, even a lot of people who are for private ownership of firearms. Some folks like sporting firearms, but despise any type of firearm that they believe is favored by criminals. You can all thank the media for the propaganda. Face it, we own evil black rifles and we are shunned even by the NRA when it comes to that. Editted to add: You guys all know the strange looks you get from others when you pull your evil AW from its case at the range. [;)]
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M4Mad, and WE are a part of the problem. There exists a specific definition of an "Assault Rifle" and unless Class III we don't have one. I have a decent group of "AR's" but only one assault rifle - an AR-18.
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 12:54:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
Originally Posted By M4Madness: People, I do [b]not[/b] think that it will sunset. George Bush may be pro-gun, but I personally doubt that he is pro-AW. The general public is afraid of AW's, even a lot of people who are for private ownership of firearms. Some folks like sporting firearms, but despise any type of firearm that they believe is favored by criminals. You can all thank the media for the propaganda. Face it, we own evil black rifles and we are shunned even by the NRA when it comes to that. Editted to add: You guys all know the strange looks you get from others when you pull your evil AW from its case at the range. [;)]
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M4Mad, and WE are a part of the problem. There exists a specific definition of an "Assault Rifle" and unless Class III we don't have one. I have a decent group of "AR's" but only one assault rifle - an AR-18.
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I agree. "We" have been calling them Assault Weapons and Assault Rifles since the late '70's-early '80's. Because it was [8D]. And it came around and bit us in the ass.
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 1:31:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By JonnieGTyler:
Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
Originally Posted By M4Madness: People, I do [b]not[/b] think that it will sunset. George Bush may be pro-gun, but I personally doubt that he is pro-AW. The general public is afraid of AW's, even a lot of people who are for private ownership of firearms. Some folks like sporting firearms, but despise any type of firearm that they believe is favored by criminals. You can all thank the media for the propaganda. Face it, we own evil black rifles and we are shunned even by the NRA when it comes to that. Editted to add: You guys all know the strange looks you get from others when you pull your evil AW from its case at the range. [;)]
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M4Mad, and WE are a part of the problem. There exists a specific definition of an "Assault Rifle" and unless Class III we don't have one. I have a decent group of "AR's" but only one assault rifle - an AR-18.
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I agree. "We" have been calling them Assault Weapons and Assault Rifles since the late '70's-early '80's. Because it was [8D]. And it came around and bit us in the ass.
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And I'm just as guilty as anyone you can find. (Probably our little ego-driven mistakes do not really matter - don't forget those E-vil 'assault-rocks'!) [:D]
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 1:40:49 PM EDT
What exactly "sunsets" ? Then whole brady bill? The baning of the evil features ? The 10 round mag limit ? All of the above ? You can bet your ass that if the requirement for background checks is up for sunset then it WILL become an issue and W will not be able to just let it die. Even if congress wants to leave it alone the fucking media won't let them. I can see the headlines now "If congress doesn't act soon MILLIONS of criminals will now be able to buy guns with no background check."
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 1:58:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Philadelphia_GunMan: What exactly "sunsets" ? Then whole brady bill? The baning of the evil features ? The 10 round mag limit ? All of the above ? You can bet your ass that if the requirement for background checks is up for sunset then it WILL become an issue and W will not be able to just let it die. Even if congress wants to leave it alone the fucking media won't let them. I can see the headlines now "If congress doesn't act soon MILLIONS of criminals will now be able to buy guns with no background check."
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As I understand it it is just the AWB section of the crime bill that sunsets, but I am not sure.
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 2:13:35 PM EDT
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I have no idea what will happen but I hoping like hell it does sunset a quiet death. I voted it will be veto'd just to be different. [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 3:00:55 PM EDT
I still remember how we was sold out by the republicans in 1994 and Bush 43 was the one who banned AW from inportation. The media will whip the country into a frency about it sunseting and Chuck Schumer and Dianne Feinstein will be on every news report saying crime will run rampant and then there is the Brady's, and do you trust trent Lot? Im not saying not to fight for it to sunset but dont think its going to be easy and its a presidential election year. we all have to get off our ass's and get it gone, my 2 cents worth. Bluemax
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 3:04:08 PM EDT
I wish it would sunset. I think it will be renewed. There is no political downside to voting against letting any crazed gunman own high-powered, military-style, automatic weapons which spray bullets and are only good for one thing. Seriously though,we must never forget that most non-gunowners and even some gunowners think that "assault weapons" are machine guns.
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 3:13:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Philadelphia_GunMan: What exactly "sunsets" ? Then whole brady bill? The baning of the evil features ? The 10 round mag limit ? All of the above ?
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The only portions that sunset are the assault weapons ban and the magazine limit ban. So basically you could add the collapsable stocks and flash hiders and bayo lugs and there would no longer be 'restricted' or LEO only magazines. The background check is part of the Brady Bill which is a different piece of legislation than the Semi-automatic Assault Weapon (SAW) Ban of '94.
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Link Posted: 1/28/2002 3:37:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ColonelKlink: Just think of it this way, bush is in a lose lose situation. If he passes a new AWB, he will not win reelection, if he doesnt pass it, he will not win reelection.
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That's not the point, we don't want it to get that far. That is why it is so important for the Republicans to gain complete control in '02. Then this matter won't even make it to Bush and he won't have to make any decision. The only way he would then be able to reinstate the ban would be by EO and I don't think he would not be reelected for not renewing the ban by executive order.
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 3:41:57 PM EDT
because the "soccer moms" are largly influenced by what they see on TV, there may change there minds with the NRA's presentation of "Armed Citizen". i'v witnessed the changes in my polar opposite wife, with the viewing of biased television programming. changes come with presistance, education, and hard work. [soapbox]
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 3:50:12 PM EDT
God, half of you do not even understand what is required to sunset, etc... From a factual perspective, there are several ways it can die: 1) No Bill is proposed (Doubtfull as Feinswine will propose one) 2) It never makes it out of commitee (Small Possiblity) 3) Tom DeLay (R-TX) refuses to put it on the Calendar for a vote. He has final choice over what gets voted on (Hell Yeah. This is how it will die) 4) Dennis Haskert as Speaker can prevent it from coming to a vote (Another distinct possibility) 5) Even if it does make it to the floor it can be voted down. The original bill only passed by 1 vote in an overwhelmingly democratic house and that was only after a fillibuster by the dem. speaker. (Possibility) 6) Even if passed in the house, it has to go to commitee to reconcile senate and house versions. It could easily die if both sides refuse to give (Possibility) 7) It can dies on the Senate Floor. Not going to happen. They control the Senate and the only senators up for a vote are long-termers. Elizabeth Dole who will replace Jesse Helms has already showed her ignorance by saying she'd vote for a ban on "Assault Weapons" as nobody needs an Automatic Weapon. (Hell will freeze over first) 8) It can be vetoed by Bush. He has nothing to loose by vetoeing it. How many of you actually believe Sarah Brady, or any Soccer Moms voted for Bush. Hell, all the Anti-Gunners voted for Gore. Bush will never get their vote so he has nothing to loose by pissing them off. On the other hand, if he pisses off the Pro-Gun community who overwhelmingly voted for him in 2000, he risks being a 1-term president. (Possibility) BTW, we can gauge it by what happens to the Plastic Gun Ban in 2003. The ban on Plastic Guns, which BTW don't exist expires in 2003. If a ban on X-Ray invisible and Metal Detector Impervious guns is allowed to sunset, then we should expect the AW Ban to sunset.
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