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Posted: 1/25/2002 6:37:50 PM EDT
[url]http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/1/25/153427.shtml[/url] National Media ignored reporting that the two law students who helped to stop rampaging gunman......were armed
Link Posted: 1/25/2002 6:59:45 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/25/2002 7:08:17 PM EDT
No mention of it, but I wondered how they took him down if they were unarmed. Course, three unarmed SF NCOs took down the idiot that was sniping at his unit here at Ft Bragg one morning. They were out doing PT and heard the gunfire. They moved quietly through the woods, caught him reloading and pounded the crap out of him. Next morning on Good Morning America, when they interviewed the NCOs, one had his foot bandaged, and the others had their hands wrapped up from beating on this knucklehead. Believe it or not, the Provost Marshal considered charging them with excessive use of force despite the fact that this kid had killed a couple of soldiers from his unit and wounded many more. Local pressure stopped that, finally. Note to self: If in this situation, actually shoot killer to death with legal CCW to ensure media reports it.
Link Posted: 1/25/2002 7:14:17 PM EDT
Huh. Now THAT'S unusual. Gee, I hope it's not the start of a trend in journalism to overlook the benefits of an armed citizenry.
Link Posted: 1/25/2002 9:12:25 PM EDT
Michael Savage spent a little time on this today.
Link Posted: 1/25/2002 9:28:31 PM EDT
I dunno why I can't feel surprised.
Link Posted: 1/25/2002 9:54:54 PM EDT
Yep 9divdoc's right. All I can find was 3 articles in CNN, and not one of them even mention that the people who captured the shooter was armed. Just that the shooter was armed with a 380 semiautomatic. [url]http://cnn.com/2002/US/01/16/law.school.shooting/index.html[/url] 3 dead, 3 wounded in law school shooting (16-Jan-02) A suspended student who opened fire Wednesday at a law school in southwestern Virginia, leaving three people dead and three others wounded, was described as "a time bomb" by a local doctor who recently treated him for stress. [url]http://cnn.com/2002/US/01/18/law.school.shooting.ap/index.html[/url] Town mourns law school shooting victims (18-Jan-02) Hundreds of people gathered to remember a dean, a professor and a student who were killed during a campus shooting spree, allegedly by a man described as "off-balance" and prone to violence. [url]http://cnn.com/2002/US/01/16/law.school.shooting.ap/index.html[/url] Three killed in Virginia law school shooting (16-Jan-02) A gunman killed three people and woundedthree others during a shooting spree Wednesday at a tiny law schoolin the Appalachian foothills, officials said. Los Angeles Times: Va. Law Students Leave Hospital http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-brf-law-school-shooting0121jan21.story?coll=sns%2Dap%2Dnation%2Dheadlines Va. Law Students Leave Hospital By Associated Press January 21 2002, 2:12 PM PST GRUNDY, Va. -- Two students wounded in a shooting rampage at the Appalachian School of Law last week have been released from a hospital. Rebecca Brown, 38, and Martha Madeline Short, 37, were discharged Sunday from Wellmont Holston Valley Medical Center in Kingsport, Tenn., said hospital spokeswoman Amy Stevens. A third student, Stacey Beans, 22, was upgraded from fair to good condition. Stevens said all three were expected to make a full recovery. The school's dean, L. Anthony Sutin, Professor Thomas Blackwell and student Angela Dales, 33, were slain in the spree. Student Peter Odighizuwa, 43, has been charged with murder and attempted murder. Police said he had recently flunked out of school. Copyright 2002 Associated Press
Link Posted: 1/26/2002 6:44:02 AM EDT
I also addressed this here and mentioned I was able to find a reference to guns being used in an MSNBC stack article and with that a reference to the fact that Katie Couric did interview on of the three, Traci Bridges on her morming show. After that zip, zilch, nada. I only was able to find that MSNBC article through a chat group on Second Amendment Sisters. I sent all this info to my local newspapaer columnist who sometimes writes on gun issues.
Link Posted: 1/26/2002 7:05:47 AM EDT
I was channel cruising last night and actually saw the issue being debated (actually brought up within a gun debate) but I didn't know which news network but believe it was probably MSNBC. The combatants were the Attorney General for the State of Utah and Ms. Something or other from "Groups Against Groups" (GAG) (or whatever) from the University of Utah. The GAG rep smirked a lot and conveniently attempted to forget the background checks necessary to buy a firearm, blah, blah. The Utah Attorney General thought people who used guns in the commission of a crime were criminals and opined that had the students been able to "carry" inside the classroom instead of having to run to their cars for weapons maybe lives would have been saved. Turns out one of the heroic students was female. For what it's worth the Utah Attorney General kicked GAG's ass. Utah is deserving of the coveted "F-" award from the Brady Bunch. [X]
Link Posted: 1/26/2002 7:14:19 AM EDT
After just having read the "Bias" thread, I think that a picture says a thousand words. [img]http://story.news.yahoo.com/p/rids/20020125/i/1208459378.jpg[/img] Here's the link to give garandman the credit for the photo: [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=89557[/url]
Link Posted: 1/26/2002 7:19:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Corey: After just having read the "Bias" thread, I think that a picture says a thousand words. [img]http://story.news.yahoo.com/p/rids/20020125/i/1208459378.jpg[/img] Here's the link to give garandman the credit for the photo: [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=89557[/url]
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Excellent book.
Link Posted: 1/26/2002 9:07:56 AM EDT
9divdoc, On CNN's CrossFire yesterday Utah's Attorney General pointed out that the crazy guy was stopped by armed students. He was defending the concealed carry laws in Utah. He pointed out that one (they?) student had to run to their car to get their weapon and return to confront the guy. Had they been carrying maybe fewer people would have been shot.
Link Posted: 1/27/2002 10:46:05 AM EDT
[b]Subj: GunsSaveLives> Recent school shooting. Real story. FWD OT Date: 01/25/2002 9:05:59 PM Eastern Standard Time From: denarius@ix.netcom.com (Larry Oliveria) Sender: owner-gunssavelives-l@elara.jtan.com Reply-to: GunsSaveLives-L@jtan.com To: denarius@ix.netcom.com (Larry Oliveria) Nothing biased about the "mainstream" media, eh? Media Ignore Fact That Gun Owners Stopped School Shooter Phil Brennan, NewsMax.com Saturday, Jan. 26, 2002 Two of the three Virginia law students who overpowered a gunman in a fatal school shooting were armed and used their weapons to disarm the shooter. Yet of the 280 stories written about the shooting, a mere four mentioned the fact that the heroic students were armed and used their guns to halt the rampage. That's according to Dr. John Lott, a resident scholar at American Enterprise Institute and the author of the widely acclaimed book "More Guns, Less Crime." Writing in Friday's edition of the New York Post, Lott reported on last week's shooting at Appalachian School of Law. Nigerian student Peter Odighizuwa is accused of killing the dean, L. Anthony Sutin, 42 - a former acting assistant U.S. attorney general and campaign worker for Bill Clinton - professor Thomas Blackwell, 41, and student Angela Denise Dales, 33. Noting that the rampage was widely covered in the world's media, Lott wrote: "As usual, there were calls for more gun control. "Yet in this age of 'gun-free school zones,' the vast majority of the news reports ignored the fact that the attack was stopped by two students who had guns in their cars. The quick response by two of the students, Mikael Gross, 34, and Tracy Bridges, 25, undoubtedly saved multiple lives," Lott reported. According to Lott: Having just returned from lunch, Gross was outside the law school building when Odighizuwa began shooting. Bridges was inside, waiting for class to start. When the sound of shooting erupted, panic ensued. "People were running everywhere. They were jumping behind cars, running out in front of traffic, trying to get away," Gross said. Instead of joining in the chaos, Gross and Bridges ran to their cars and got their guns. Joined by an unarmed Ted Besen, an ex-Marine and police officer, the three men approached the shooter from different sides.[/b]
Link Posted: 1/27/2002 10:47:10 AM EDT
[b]"I aimed my gun at him, and Peter tossed his gun down," Bridges recalled. "Ted approached Peter, and Peter hit Ted in the jaw. Ted pushed him back, and we all jumped on." Wrote Lott: "What is so remarkable is that out of 280 separate news stories (from a computerized Nexis-Lexis search) in the week after the event, just four stories mentioned that the students who stopped the attack had guns. "Only two local newspapers (the Richmond Times-Dispatch and the Charlotte Observer) mentioned that the students actually pointed their guns at the attacker." Lott cited the liberal, anti-gun Washington Post, which reported that the heroes had simply "helped subdue" the killer. The leftist, anti-gun New York Times, not surprisingly, noted only that the attacker was "tackled by fellow students." "Most in the media who discussed how the attack was stopped said: 'students overpowered a gunman,' 'students ended the rampage by tackling him,' 'the gunman was tackled by four male students before being arrested,' or 'Students ended the rampage by confronting and then tackling the gunman, who dropped his weapon.'" Such selective reporting is not unusual, Lott noted. "In the other public school shootings where citizens with guns have stopped attacks, rarely do more than one percent of the news stories mention that citizens with guns stopped the attacks." Wall of Silence Lott cited research showing there are 2 million defensive gun uses each year. "After all, if these events were really happening, wouldn't we hear about them on the news? But when was the last time you saw a story on the national evening news (or even the local news) about a citizen using his gun to stop a crime?" Such "misreporting actually endangers people's lives," Lott concluded. "By selectively reporting the news and turning a defensive gun use story into one where students merely 'overpowered a gunman' the media gives misleading impressions of what works when people are confronted by violence. "Research consistently shows that having a gun is the safest way to respond to any type of criminal attack, especially these multiple victim shootings."[/b] Our "Free Press", the watchdogs of Liberty!!
Link Posted: 1/27/2002 12:55:27 PM EDT
They should have shot the SOB, then there would be no doubt about how he was stopped. But then, they would have crucified the good guys for having guns. No win situation.
Link Posted: 1/27/2002 1:19:00 PM EDT
Not only do they ignor incidents where a gun is used to thwart crime, when they do mention that a "hero" with a gun, they always finish the story with a 3 minute backhanded anti-gun speech about how dangerous these situations are, the police never recommend such actions and they finish with some bs statistic regarding guns and saftey. The stats are always HCI lies.
Link Posted: 1/27/2002 1:52:36 PM EDT
And my wife asks why I get so mad at the TV.
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