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If you enjoy two days off from work every week you owe a thank you to Unions.
If you enjoy a 40 hour work week you owe a thank you to the Unions. If you enjoy time and a half pay for overtime worked you owe a thank you to the Unions. If you have ever been injured on the job and needed workmans comp or other work related injury insurance to help pay the bills while you recovered you owe a thank you to Unions. If your workplace is mostly free of discrimination or intimidation from company owners, managers, and peers you owe a thank you to the Unions. If you benefit from the improvements in workplace safety that have occured over the last 100 years you owe a thank you to the Unions. Many non-union members today enjoy benefits that only exist because individual working men banded together, formed Unions, paid their dues, and fought for improved working conditions that most all of us now benefit from. If you really hate Unions then man up and give all of those benefits away. |
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If you enjoy two days off from work every week you owe a thank you to Unions. The union shop I worked in was so inefficient they couldn't justify weekend work. No option. If you enjoy a 40 hour work week you owe a thank you to the Unions. I do not enjoy such a stifling limitation to my earning power. Haven't worked 40 hrs in years. If you enjoy time and a half pay for overtime worked you owe a thank you to the Unions. rather be salary If you have ever been injured on the job and needed workmans comp or other work related injury insurance to help pay the bills while you recovered you owe a thank you to Unions. If your workplace is mostly free of discrimination or intimidation from company owners, managers, and peers you owe a thank you to the Unions. The only place that I was abused, yelled at, and intimidate was in a union shop. Fail! If you benefit from the improvements in workplace safety that have occured over the last 100 years you owe a thank you to the Unions. Complete and utter bullshit. Limitation of liability is what drove those improvements Many non-union members today enjoy benefits that only exist because individual working men banded together, formed Unions, paid their dues, and fought for improved working conditions that most all of us now benefit from. For awhile, they were needed. Then they became greedy fucks who destroyed their companies and hurt the entire country. Because of their greed, almost nothing is made in the US due to stupid labor costs that were artificially driven way too high. If you really hate Unions then man up and give all of those benefits away. can we man up and give back all the harm they have caused? Can they man up and give back what they took? |
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If you enjoy two days off from work every week you owe a thank you to Unions. The union shop I worked in was so inefficient they couldn't justify weekend work. No option. If you enjoy a 40 hour work week you owe a thank you to the Unions. I do not enjoy such a stifling limitation to my earning power. Haven't worked 40 hrs in years. If you enjoy time and a half pay for overtime worked you owe a thank you to the Unions. rather be salary If you have ever been injured on the job and needed workmans comp or other work related injury insurance to help pay the bills while you recovered you owe a thank you to Unions. If your workplace is mostly free of discrimination or intimidation from company owners, managers, and peers you owe a thank you to the Unions. The only place that I was abused, yelled at, and intimidate was in a union shop. Fail! If you benefit from the improvements in workplace safety that have occured over the last 100 years you owe a thank you to the Unions. Complete and utter bullshit. Limitation of liability is what drove those improvements Many non-union members today enjoy benefits that only exist because individual working men banded together, formed Unions, paid their dues, and fought for improved working conditions that most all of us now benefit from. For awhile, they were needed. Then they became greedy fucks who destroyed their companies and hurt the entire country. Because of their greed, almost nothing is made in the US due to stupid labor costs that were artificially driven way too high. If you really hate Unions then man up and give all of those benefits away. can we man up and give back all the harm they have caused? Can they man up and give back what they took? You made some fair arguments, mostly anecdotal. Your second to last statement then defeats all of your previous arguments. You have already acknowledged that Unions were needed at least at one time. Now since you have admitted that lets take this discussion a step further. Since you already acknowledge Unions were needed. Why do you think they were needed? |
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If you enjoy two days off from work every week you owe a thank you to Unions. The union shop I worked in was so inefficient they couldn't justify weekend work. No option. If you enjoy a 40 hour work week you owe a thank you to the Unions. I do not enjoy such a stifling limitation to my earning power. Haven't worked 40 hrs in years. If you enjoy time and a half pay for overtime worked you owe a thank you to the Unions. rather be salary If you have ever been injured on the job and needed workmans comp or other work related injury insurance to help pay the bills while you recovered you owe a thank you to Unions. If your workplace is mostly free of discrimination or intimidation from company owners, managers, and peers you owe a thank you to the Unions. The only place that I was abused, yelled at, and intimidate was in a union shop. Fail! If you benefit from the improvements in workplace safety that have occured over the last 100 years you owe a thank you to the Unions. Complete and utter bullshit. Limitation of liability is what drove those improvements Many non-union members today enjoy benefits that only exist because individual working men banded together, formed Unions, paid their dues, and fought for improved working conditions that most all of us now benefit from. For awhile, they were needed. Then they became greedy fucks who destroyed their companies and hurt the entire country. Because of their greed, almost nothing is made in the US due to stupid labor costs that were artificially driven way too high. If you really hate Unions then man up and give all of those benefits away. can we man up and give back all the harm they have caused? Can they man up and give back what they took? You made some fair arguments, mostly anecdotal. Your second to last statement then defeats all of your previous arguments. You have already acknowledged that Unions were needed at least at one time. Now since you have admitted that lets take this discussion a step further. Since you already acknowledge Unions were needed. Why do you think they were needed? Actually, I am rethinking that as well. I cannot ever think of a time I needed a union, or that one would be required to protect me. I can't relate to someone who is helpless to advance themselves in a working environment. I can't relate to having to force a company to give me more to keep me on staff. I cannot relate to mediocrity. Last company I left wouldn't give me an extra $50,000 per year, and they lost $4 million per year in the first year after I left, that went up to 6 million per year the next year. An earlier company refused me a $1 per hour raise and lost $1.5 million per year for the last 10 years. My current company loves me and wants to keep me happy so they really bend over backward to keep me. Money will come as the company grows. Companies do stupid things, but not forcing them to do what I want has resulted in me having better working conditions and a better job every single time. Thank God they were so short sighted! |
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People should have the collective right to bargain. Employers love to divide and conquer the workforce. There is strength in numbers for employees facing unjust actions by employers. Does that mean that all unions are good? No. Thats where the employees need to clean house, if the union is a problem.
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I have worked all over this country for the same contractor. I am NOT union. The company I work for hires only UNION tradesmen and Women. I don't work "with the tools" so it alright for me to work side-by-side with them. I have seen the very BEST and the very WORST of Unions and Non-Union labor. The funniest thing about the whole Union vs. Non-Union labor arguments come from people down south were the union is weak. But given the chance every southerner who gets a chance to work up North were there is prevalling wage. You never hear one word out of their mouths. It's funny because I make good money because I'm from Philly were the Union is strong, not weak like down south! I worked all over North Carolina Local 421, Cleveland Local 120, Lansing Local 333, Philly Local 420, Richmond Local 10, Baltimore Local 486, New Jersey Local 5 and 375, Marrietta Local 520, Washington D.C. Local 602. And the funny thing is working in the northern citys and states: No Mexicans! Down south you would rather loose your jobs to Mexicans then the Unions
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I worked for a private prison, who took away our med insurance, and stuck us with garbage....single 4000 dollar deductible, married 10,000. They voted the union in and got our insurance back, so that was a good thing,but getting regular raises was a battle between the company, and the union....good with the bad.
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If you enjoy two days off from work every week you owe a thank you to Unions. If you enjoy a 40 hour work week you owe a thank you to the Unions. If you enjoy time and a half pay for overtime worked you owe a thank you to the Unions. If you have ever been injured on the job and needed workmans comp or other work related injury insurance to help pay the bills while you recovered you owe a thank you to Unions. If your workplace is mostly free of discrimination or intimidation from company owners, managers, and peers you owe a thank you to the Unions. If you benefit from the improvements in workplace safety that have occured over the last 100 years you owe a thank you to the Unions. Many non-union members today enjoy benefits that only exist because individual working men banded together, formed Unions, paid their dues, and fought for improved working conditions that most all of us now benefit from. If you really hate Unions then man up and give all of those benefits away. SO as long as you do good things for a while, you can act like a bunch of mafia fucks and ruin everything? |
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I don't "hate" unions, but overall I doubt they are productive.
They basically allow a private party to hold a monopoly on the workers at any particular business, and that concept just sounds odd to me. Federal right-to-work laws would cure that, but I doubt we'll see them anytime soon. One thing I do know is that they gain benefit for their members by imposing costs on non-union workers... As the number of unionized workers grows and the number of non-unionized workers falls (an any general population) the benefits decrease drastically (more and more people are getting union benefits, but they also have to pay higher union wages for all the other jobs and products that they use, so the net result is that some of everyone's money goes to the union, and they have less than they would if there was no union at all). ~ |
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If you enjoy two days off from work every week you owe a thank you to Unions. The union shop I worked in was so inefficient they couldn't justify weekend work. No option. If you enjoy a 40 hour work week you owe a thank you to the Unions. I do not enjoy such a stifling limitation to my earning power. Haven't worked 40 hrs in years. If you enjoy time and a half pay for overtime worked you owe a thank you to the Unions. rather be salary If you have ever been injured on the job and needed workmans comp or other work related injury insurance to help pay the bills while you recovered you owe a thank you to Unions. If your workplace is mostly free of discrimination or intimidation from company owners, managers, and peers you owe a thank you to the Unions. The only place that I was abused, yelled at, and intimidate was in a union shop. Fail! If you benefit from the improvements in workplace safety that have occured over the last 100 years you owe a thank you to the Unions. Complete and utter bullshit. Limitation of liability is what drove those improvements Many non-union members today enjoy benefits that only exist because individual working men banded together, formed Unions, paid their dues, and fought for improved working conditions that most all of us now benefit from. For awhile, they were needed. Then they became greedy fucks who destroyed their companies and hurt the entire country. Because of their greed, almost nothing is made in the US due to stupid labor costs that were artificially driven way too high. If you really hate Unions then man up and give all of those benefits away. can we man up and give back all the harm they have caused? Can they man up and give back what they took? You made some fair arguments, mostly anecdotal. Your second to last statement then defeats all of your previous arguments. You have already acknowledged that Unions were needed at least at one time. Now since you have admitted that lets take this discussion a step further. Since you already acknowledge Unions were needed. Why do you think they were needed? Actually, I am rethinking that as well. I cannot ever think of a time I needed a union, or that one would be required to protect me. I can't relate to someone who is helpless to advance themselves in a working environment. I can't relate to having to force a company to give me more to keep me on staff. I cannot relate to mediocrity. Last company I left wouldn't give me an extra $50,000 per year, and they lost $4 million per year in the first year after I left, that went up to 6 million per year the next year. An earlier company refused me a $1 per hour raise and lost $1.5 million per year for the last 10 years. My current company loves me and wants to keep me happy so they really bend over backward to keep me. Money will come as the company grows. Companies do stupid things, but not forcing them to do what I want has resulted in me having better working conditions and a better job every single time. Thank God they were so short sighted! You keep defeating your own argument. You are Anti-Union but already acknowledged that historically Unions were needed. So my question to you was why do think Unions were needed historically. Instead of answering my question you again resort to your own anecdotal experience but this time describe how great your work environment is TODAY. Which directly supports the points of my original post that you can thank Unions for the improved working conditions that most workers in the U.S. now experience. Can’t anyone perform a little critical thinking or active debate these days or have we all resorted to a group think black and white mentality out of pure laziness? |
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People should have the collective right to bargain. Employers love to divide and conquer the workforce. There is strength in numbers for employees facing unjust actions by employers. Does that mean that all unions are good? No. Thats where the employees need to clean house, if the union is a problem. Exactly. Very well said sir. |
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If you enjoy two days off from work every week you owe a thank you to Unions. If you enjoy a 40 hour work week you owe a thank you to the Unions. If you enjoy time and a half pay for overtime worked you owe a thank you to the Unions. If you have ever been injured on the job and needed workmans comp or other work related injury insurance to help pay the bills while you recovered you owe a thank you to Unions. If your workplace is mostly free of discrimination or intimidation from company owners, managers, and peers you owe a thank you to the Unions. If you benefit from the improvements in workplace safety that have occured over the last 100 years you owe a thank you to the Unions. Many non-union members today enjoy benefits that only exist because individual working men banded together, formed Unions, paid their dues, and fought for improved working conditions that most all of us now benefit from. If you really hate Unions then man up and give all of those benefits away. SO as long as you do good things for a while, you can act like a bunch of mafia fucks and ruin everything? |
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People should have the collective right to bargain. Employers love to divide and conquer the workforce. There is strength in numbers for employees facing unjust actions by employers. Does that mean that all unions are good? No. Thats where the employees need to clean house, if the union is a problem. Exactly. Very well said sir. Indeed. Marx would be proud of you both. |
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Unions - Socialist shitstain con artists getting drastically overpaid for little or no skills.
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They even sleep with bitter, adversarial, company hating, Obama loving, poor work ethic, attitudes. |
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People should have the collective right to bargain. Employers love to divide and conquer the workforce. There is strength in numbers for employees facing unjust actions by employers. Does that mean that all unions are good? No. Thats where the employees need to clean house, if the union is a problem. Exactly. Very well said sir. Indeed. Marx would be proud of you both. The other side of that coin is that Marxism doesn't prosper when people enjoy basic rights and the ability to provide a comfortable existance for themselves and their family. Historically there have been highly greedy and powerful people that would rather pay no wages if they could get away with it. Ever hear of the Romanovs. We even had "Company Towns" in this country for along time well after after slavery ended. In my experience if you treat your employees as you would like to be treated, pay them fairly, and return their loyalty your business will never see a Union. Unfortunately many CEO's just care about the dollars which is why the greedy Fuck Madoff was sentenced to 150 years today. Communism is bad but so is unrestricted Capitalism. Both methods have already been tried and have failed. |
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People should have the collective right to bargain. Employers love to divide and conquer the workforce. There is strength in numbers for employees facing unjust actions by employers. Does that mean that all unions are good? No. Thats where the employees need to clean house, if the union is a problem. Exactly. Very well said sir. Indeed. Marx would be proud of you both. The other side of that coin is that Marxism doesn't prosper when people enjoy basic rights and the ability to provide a comfortable existance for themselves and their family. Historically there have been highly greedy and powerful people that would rather pay no wages if they could get away with it. Ever hear of the Romanovs. We even had "Company Towns" in this country for along time well after after slavery ended. In my experience if you treat your employees as you would like to be treated, pay them fairly, and return their loyalty your business will never see a Union. Unfortunately many CEO's just care about the dollars which is why the greedy Fuck Madoff was sentenced to 150 years today. Communism is bad but so is unrestricted Capitalism. Both methods have already been tried and have failed. Your experience (which I am guessing is more of a 'gut feeling' than actual experience) is not borne out by reality. Of course every employer wants employees to work for free, and of course employees are insane to do so. You have a choice, and so does everybody else. Neither method has actually been tried, but marxism to any extent has always failed, completely. Capitalism in this country is not failing, the ever growing stain of marxism is killing it, and Unions are a part of that stain. At this point, unions do not operate in the interests of their members. They operate at the *expense* of their members, their company, and their host country. Lastly, you should check your facts. Madoff was sentenced for fraud, not for greed. Greed is neither illegal nor immoral. |
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There are benefits to a union but this is why I don't like them. I borrowed this from another forum:
No, this isn't like the military. The military is not a privately owned, for-profit organization with a labor agreement.
If UPS wants to impose physical fitness standards, I dont have a problem with that...as long as they are negotiated into the contract. As far as people getting fired for stealing and then getting their jobs back....the company made a choice to enter into a labor agreement that specifies how and for what an employee may be terminated. If the company is unable to prove its case or justify that termination in front of a balanced grievance panel...or arbitrator...then the termination is not warranted and the employee should be returned to work |
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There are benefits to a union but this is why I don't like them. I borrowed this from another forum: No, this isn't like the military. The military is not a privately owned, for-profit organization with a labor agreement.
If UPS wants to impose physical fitness standards, I dont have a problem with that...as long as they are negotiated into the contract. As far as people getting fired for stealing and then getting their jobs back....the company made a choice to enter into a labor agreement that specifies how and for what an employee may be terminated. If the company is unable to prove its case or justify that termination in front of a balanced grievance panel...or arbitrator...then the termination is not warranted and the employee should be returned to work grievance panel??? is that a real thing?? companies don't exist to employ people. -frank |
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There are benefits to a union but this is why I don't like them. I borrowed this from another forum: No, this isn't like the military. The military is not a privately owned, for-profit organization with a labor agreement.
If UPS wants to impose physical fitness standards, I dont have a problem with that...as long as they are negotiated into the contract. As far as people getting fired for stealing and then getting their jobs back....the company made a choice to enter into a labor agreement that specifies how and for what an employee may be terminated. If the company is unable to prove its case or justify that termination in front of a balanced grievance panel...or arbitrator...then the termination is not warranted and the employee should be returned to work grievance panel??? is that a real thing?? companies don't exist to employ people. -frank It's very real. But it's the attitude the union implores that I don't like. |
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There are benefits to a union but this is why I don't like them. I borrowed this from another forum: No, this isn't like the military. The military is not a privately owned, for-profit organization with a labor agreement.
If UPS wants to impose physical fitness standards, I dont have a problem with that...as long as they are negotiated into the contract. As far as people getting fired for stealing and then getting their jobs back....the company made a choice to enter into a labor agreement that specifies how and for what an employee may be terminated. If the company is unable to prove its case or justify that termination in front of a balanced grievance panel...or arbitrator...then the termination is not warranted and the employee should be returned to work grievance panel??? is that a real thing?? companies don't exist to employ people. -frank No joke. That attitude makes me sick.. where did that come from rippers? |
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People should have the collective right to bargain. Employers love to divide and conquer the workforce. There is strength in numbers for employees facing unjust actions by employers. Does that mean that all unions are good? No. Thats where the employees need to clean house, if the union is a problem. Exactly. Very well said sir. Indeed. Marx would be proud of you both. The other side of that coin is that Marxism doesn't prosper when people enjoy basic rights and the ability to provide a comfortable existance for themselves and their family. Historically there have been highly greedy and powerful people that would rather pay no wages if they could get away with it. Ever hear of the Romanovs. We even had "Company Towns" in this country for along time well after after slavery ended. In my experience if you treat your employees as you would like to be treated, pay them fairly, and return their loyalty your business will never see a Union. Unfortunately many CEO's just care about the dollars which is why the greedy Fuck Madoff was sentenced to 150 years today. Communism is bad but so is unrestricted Capitalism. Both methods have already been tried and have failed. Your experience (which I am guessing is more of a 'gut feeling' than actual experience) is not borne out by reality. Of course every employer wants employees to work for free, and of course employees are insane to do so. You have a choice, and so does everybody else. Neither method has actually been tried, but marxism to any extent has always failed, completely. Capitalism in this country is not failing, the ever growing stain of marxism is killing it, and Unions are a part of that stain. At this point, unions do not operate in the interests of their members. They operate at the *expense* of their members, their company, and their host country. Lastly, you should check your facts. Madoff was sentenced for fraud, not for greed. Greed is neither illegal nor immoral. Your statements are so rediculous I must assume you are being facetious. Yes I do recognize there is no federal law against "Greed" However I would argue that his fraud wasn't committed in order to pay his electric bill, Now we are back to "Greed" IE motive for the fraud. You are purposely acting dense. |
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There are benefits to a union but this is why I don't like them. I borrowed this from another forum: No, this isn't like the military. The military is not a privately owned, for-profit organization with a labor agreement.
If UPS wants to impose physical fitness standards, I dont have a problem with that...as long as they are negotiated into the contract. As far as people getting fired for stealing and then getting their jobs back....the company made a choice to enter into a labor agreement that specifies how and for what an employee may be terminated. If the company is unable to prove its case or justify that termination in front of a balanced grievance panel...or arbitrator...then the termination is not warranted and the employee should be returned to work grievance panel??? is that a real thing?? companies don't exist to employ people. -frank No joke. That attitude makes me sick.. where did that come from rippers? Browncafe.com |
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This thread is so full of bullshit it makes me damn near cry from laughter! I only wish people would have the balls to post or email me some answers to the questions I've posted in the past..... Also I do not agree with all of the UAW's ways but that is a small fraction of the workforce represented by a collective bargaining agreement.
Also as to the IBEW guy that so greatly sent me the smiley with the finger do some research on the position you were in and see what benefits you had at your disposal such and non-voluntary disability given to ALL IBEW members injured on the job beyond workers comp be it private ins. or .gov. Like I said in the past I've been around all arenas from a shit head to a boss (company man) to a small business owner so I really feel I am non-bias and know the facts...... I'll will now and alway stand by what I say...... Here is one for the pot of shit stirring what about OSHA and MSHA??? Who do they work hand in hand with no matter of the represented majority in the government since around 1940???? You people say the .gov is here to intervene with safety anyone ever research where their training and studies come from??? Answers would be great.... I could go on for countless post if someone wants to play..... |
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This thread is so full of bullshit it makes me damn near cry from laughter! I only wish people would have the balls to post or email me some answers to the questions I've posted in the past..... Also I do not agree with all of the UAW's ways but that is a small fraction of the workforce represented by a collective bargaining agreement. Also as to the IBEW guy that so greatly sent me the smiley with the finger do some research on the position you were in and see what benefits you had at your disposal such and non-voluntary disability given to ALL IBEW members injured on the job beyond workers comp be it private ins. or .gov. Like I said in the past I've been around all arenas from a shit head to a boss (company man) to a small business owner so I really feel I am non-bias and know the facts...... I'll will now and alway stand by what I say...... Here is one for the pot of shit stirring what about OSHA and MSHA??? Who do they work hand in hand with no matter of the represented majority in the government since around 1940???? You people say the .gov is here to intervene with safety anyone ever research where their training and studies come from??? Answers would be great.... I could go on for countless post if someone wants to play..... There's no need to 'play'. Go on for 'countless posts' if you dare, but chew on this: Once we were done with the Axis in WW2, did we turn a blind eye to the Soviets because they helped out once before, or...? Unions *today* are not the noble entities you seem to think they are, and have not been for several *decades*. You don't get to slide through life doing as much wrong as you like just because you did right one time. |
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Quoted: 82% of ARFCOM hates or dislikes laber/trade unions. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=870807 Looks like that number has risen slightly! ETA: I voted hate them.
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If you enjoy two days off from work every week you owe a thank you to Unions. The union shop I worked in was so inefficient they couldn't justify weekend work. No option. If you enjoy a 40 hour work week you owe a thank you to the Unions. I do not enjoy such a stifling limitation to my earning power. Haven't worked 40 hrs in years. If you enjoy time and a half pay for overtime worked you owe a thank you to the Unions. rather be salary If you have ever been injured on the job and needed workmans comp or other work related injury insurance to help pay the bills while you recovered you owe a thank you to Unions. If your workplace is mostly free of discrimination or intimidation from company owners, managers, and peers you owe a thank you to the Unions. The only place that I was abused, yelled at, and intimidate was in a union shop. Fail! If you benefit from the improvements in workplace safety that have occured over the last 100 years you owe a thank you to the Unions. Complete and utter bullshit. Limitation of liability is what drove those improvements Many non-union members today enjoy benefits that only exist because individual working men banded together, formed Unions, paid their dues, and fought for improved working conditions that most all of us now benefit from. For awhile, they were needed. Then they became greedy fucks who destroyed their companies and hurt the entire country. Because of their greed, almost nothing is made in the US due to stupid labor costs that were artificially driven way too high. If you really hate Unions then man up and give all of those benefits away. can we man up and give back all the harm they have caused? Can they man up and give back what they took? You made some fair arguments, mostly anecdotal. Your second to last statement then defeats all of your previous arguments. You have already acknowledged that Unions were needed at least at one time. Now since you have admitted that lets take this discussion a step further. Since you already acknowledge Unions were needed. Why do you think they were needed? Actually, I am rethinking that as well. I cannot ever think of a time I needed a union, or that one would be required to protect me. I can't relate to someone who is helpless to advance themselves in a working environment. I can't relate to having to force a company to give me more to keep me on staff. I cannot relate to mediocrity. Last company I left wouldn't give me an extra $50,000 per year, and they lost $4 million per year in the first year after I left, that went up to 6 million per year the next year. An earlier company refused me a $1 per hour raise and lost $1.5 million per year for the last 10 years. My current company loves me and wants to keep me happy so they really bend over backward to keep me. Money will come as the company grows. Companies do stupid things, but not forcing them to do what I want has resulted in me having better working conditions and a better job every single time. Thank God they were so short sighted! You keep defeating your own argument. You are Anti-Union but already acknowledged that historically Unions were needed. So my question to you was why do think Unions were needed historically. Instead of answering my question you again resort to your own anecdotal experience but this time describe how great your work environment is TODAY. Which directly supports the points of my original post that you can thank Unions for the improved working conditions that most workers in the U.S. now experience. Can’t anyone perform a little critical thinking or active debate these days or have we all resorted to a group think black and white mentality out of pure laziness? Actually, your just not worth debating. Nothing you can say is going to make the unions of today any less greedy or guilty of killing American business. |
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You keep defeating your own argument. You are Anti-Union but already acknowledged that historically Unions were needed. So my question to you was why do think Unions were needed historically. Instead of answering my question you again resort to your own anecdotal experience but this time describe how great your work environment is TODAY. Which directly supports the points of my original post that you can thank Unions for the improved working conditions that most workers in the U.S. now experience. Can’t anyone perform a little critical thinking or active debate these days or have we all resorted to a group think black and white mentality out of pure laziness? The optimal word is historical, that was before the government turned progressive and does all those things, now instead of having one proponent you have a government that does the same thing making them redundant overhead. |
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What do you think is stopping alot of companies from paying everyone walmart wages? Why do you think you have holidays and vacation days? What do you think is stopping bosses from firing anyone they want at anytime? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Your jobs are being replaced by mexicans and chinese! You don't HAVE to be fired! Your company will simply move production or go out of business! Just ask anyone in the UAW! |
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I own my own company and have not a damn thing to thank the Unions for regarding MY success! I am fair to my employees because it is the right thing to do not because some fucking union told me to or tries to make me be. Unions breed sloth and perceived entitlement and have no place in the 21st century.
Quoted: Quoted: If you enjoy two days off from work every week you owe a thank you to Unions. If you enjoy a 40 hour work week you owe a thank you to the Unions. If you enjoy time and a half pay for overtime worked you owe a thank you to the Unions. If you have ever been injured on the job and needed workmans comp or other work related injury insurance to help pay the bills while you recovered you owe a thank you to Unions. If your workplace is mostly free of discrimination or intimidation from company owners, managers, and peers you owe a thank you to the Unions. If you benefit from the improvements in workplace safety that have occured over the last 100 years you owe a thank you to the Unions. Many non-union members today enjoy benefits that only exist because individual working men banded together, formed Unions, paid their dues, and fought for improved working conditions that most all of us now benefit from. If you really hate Unions then man up and give all of those benefits away. This. |
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Unions have good and bad issues.
Union leaders in some cases are as big or bigger crooks than the business leaders they are buddies with. Yes, I said buddies. Many International unions are run like businesses with just as little integrity as you find. The Interational officers in most cases have different and much better benefits from the average member. I saw an International Vice President of a large union tell everyone at a local meeting they should retire so they could hire new hands at a much lower wage. He shut up when someone asked if he knew the retirement wasn't even half of Social Security and most were even 62 yet. And that not being able to get SS, they would starve to death on welfare. Then the jerk retired himself with a $120,000 severance from a company that he hadn't worked for in 25 years. He also got a $2300 retirement from the company - one of the highest of any hourly retiree in the company. He also got a $10000 a month retirement from the International. Plus he got free health care benefits from the International while the rest of those companies employees have to give 17% of their meager pensions to get a "medicare supplement". The International officers all have pay and benefits just like business executives of companies with who they bargain with and have personal business with. (Like Democratic party leaders) Play golf with, visit Las Vegas with, etc. And then talk "We stand against the company injustices with you" to the local unions. International union officers can be the most crooked bastards you've ever seen. Why shouldn't they be? They get bribed, paid off, or "influenced" by some even more rotten people - business leadership. Local unions are good for the most part. I'll say the one I belonged to is fairly decent and won't let a member starve. I'm talking about a skilled building trade local where if you don't work and don't produce, you don't stay. That is a given. In my younger years I've had to travel to other states to work. I got to one union hall, got a referral for a job. I asked the business agent if he knew where a really cheap place to stay was other than the YMCA. He asked how much money I had and I replied "not to much". He reached into his wallet and pulled out a $100 bill, handed it to me, and said "Pay it back on your first check". He didn't know me from Adam. It was a blessing and kept me from eating crackers and peanut butter for a week. I gave him his money back and told him "Thank you brother". He replied "Your welcome, brother". Tell me where else that would have happened other than a good local union? Now here's the downside. If I'd burned him, I would have got cooked myself. Brothers stand together against assholes. Maybe that is something you don't understand because you are "above" your fellow workers cuz you are tougher, smarter, a better worker, etc, - superior in every way. Well good for you. It'll be lonely when bad luck comes down on you. |
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People should have the collective right to bargain. Employers love to divide and conquer the workforce. There is strength in numbers for employees facing unjust actions by employers. Does that mean that all unions are good? No. Thats where the employees need to clean house, if the union is a problem. Exactly. Very well said sir. Indeed. Marx would be proud of you both. Apparently you want employers/ supervisors to be able to run roughshod over their employees and subordinates. |
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People should have the collective right to bargain. Employers love to divide and conquer the workforce. There is strength in numbers for employees facing unjust actions by employers. Does that mean that all unions are good? No. Thats where the employees need to clean house, if the union is a problem. Exactly. Very well said sir. Indeed. Marx would be proud of you both. Apparently you want employers/ supervisors to be able to run roughshod over their employees and subordinates. Those employees and "subordinates" are free to leave when they choose. It's called Capitalism. I voted for the "I hate all Unions" option, but I suppose the COC requires that I exclude the police union from my blanket statement. |
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FireFighters Union Union bonds of those serving together in combat ? Are these this kinds of unions yo want me to love or hate? |
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Police Union FireFighters Union Union bonds of those serving together in combat ? Are these this kinds of unions yo want me to love or hate? There isn't a formal "Soldier's Union". The other two you mention both have organized, socialist unions. COC prevents you from disliking the police union. |
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Those employees and "subordinates" are free to leave when they choose. It's called Capitalism. I voted for the "I hate all Unions" option, but I suppose the COC requires that I exclude the police union from my blanket statement. Why should good employees leave because of a bad supervisor? Why should employees not be able to bargain as a group instead of getting picked off one by one by a hostile management? Especially in todays economy, why should a good employee have to risk being unable to find a good job if they leave because of bad management? You can't always find another job in a careerfield, and by moving you put yourself at the bottom of the seniority ladder at a new employer. Once again, simply because of bad management? That shouldn't have to be the case. |
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Those employees and "subordinates" are free to leave when they choose. It's called Capitalism. I voted for the "I hate all Unions" option, but I suppose the COC requires that I exclude the police union from my blanket statement. Why should good employees leave because of a bad supervisor? Why should employees not be able to bargain as a group instead of getting picked off one by one by a hostile management? Especially in todays economy, why should a good employee have to risk being unable to find a good job if they leave because of bad management? You can't always find another job in a careerfield, and by moving you put yourself at the bottom of the seniority ladder at a new employer. Once again, simply because of bad management? That shouldn't have to be the case. If the management in question is middle management there isn't a thing in the world preventing all of those good employees from going over his head to the owner. If the owner is the problem, then yes they should find another company, the owner is free to do with his/her company as they please. The real world isn't always fair, it doesn't make it more fair by giving money to archaic organizations (and the Democratic party) for those too lazy to negotiate for themselves. |
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I belong to one.
I hate to love it. I also love to hate it. Does that help? I'd type more during regular business hours, but it's time for my post-lunch coffee break. All joking aside they're good for advocating labor rights, but contradict themselves to an obnoxious degree when you examine the lax accountability unions foster throughout it's apathetic workforce. In unions, it's been my experience that 10-15% of the population appreciates the union's mission statement and works hard to justify it. |
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Unions... should have a limited life. Formed to negotiate with management upon completion of negotiations it should disband.
Unions should not require anyone to join if they want the job. Unions should not have any say on who gets promoted or how much they make excepting that it be above a certain minimum. Unions should not make political contributions. |
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Unions shot up my grandparents house because my grandfather refused to join the union.
The workers of my father's printing plant tried to unionize once - suffice to say they rethought their standpoint when he fired every last one them (most were re-hired later that day). I used to volunteer for scab work up North so that I could get a piece of union scum who think it's cute to terrorize those who will gladly do their jobs for them, without all the bellyaching - suffice to say that knowing my rationale and background history, the managers never would send me on one of those assignments. |
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Quoted: I own my own company and have not a damn thing to thank the Unions for regarding MY success! I am fair to my employees because it is the right thing to do not because some fucking union told me to or tries to make me be. Unions breed sloth and perceived entitlement and have no place in the 21st century. Quoted: Quoted: If you enjoy two days off from work every week you owe a thank you to Unions. If you enjoy a 40 hour work week you owe a thank you to the Unions. If you enjoy time and a half pay for overtime worked you owe a thank you to the Unions. If you have ever been injured on the job and needed workmans comp or other work related injury insurance to help pay the bills while you recovered you owe a thank you to Unions. If your workplace is mostly free of discrimination or intimidation from company owners, managers, and peers you owe a thank you to the Unions. If you benefit from the improvements in workplace safety that have occured over the last 100 years you owe a thank you to the Unions. Many non-union members today enjoy benefits that only exist because individual working men banded together, formed Unions, paid their dues, and fought for improved working conditions that most all of us now benefit from. If you really hate Unions then man up and give all of those benefits away. This. If employers do as you do, then unions probably aren't needed. Unfortunately not all employers are like you. You are to be commended, sir. The generalizations and silly anti union anecdotes here are laughable. There are plenty of unionized companies that are, and continue to be very profitable, their employees work hard, and understand that both the employer and employee have a vested interest in the continued success of the company. The idea that union members want to see their employer fail is incredibly naive and stupid. |
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I own my own company and have not a damn thing to thank the Unions for regarding MY success! I am fair to my employees because it is the right thing to do not because some fucking union told me to or tries to make me be. Unions breed sloth and perceived entitlement and have no place in the 21st century. Quoted:
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If you enjoy two days off from work every week you owe a thank you to Unions. If you enjoy a 40 hour work week you owe a thank you to the Unions. If you enjoy time and a half pay for overtime worked you owe a thank you to the Unions. If you have ever been injured on the job and needed workmans comp or other work related injury insurance to help pay the bills while you recovered you owe a thank you to Unions. If your workplace is mostly free of discrimination or intimidation from company owners, managers, and peers you owe a thank you to the Unions. If you benefit from the improvements in workplace safety that have occured over the last 100 years you owe a thank you to the Unions. Many non-union members today enjoy benefits that only exist because individual working men banded together, formed Unions, paid their dues, and fought for improved working conditions that most all of us now benefit from. If you really hate Unions then man up and give all of those benefits away. This. If employers do as you do, then unions probably aren't needed. Unfortunately not all employers are like you. You are to be commended, sir. The generalizations and silly anti union anecdotes here are laughable. There are plenty of unionized companies that are, and continue to be very profitable, their employees work hard, and understand that both the employer and employee have a vested interest in the continued success of the company. The idea that union members want to see their employer fail is incredibly naive and stupid. I don't believe they want to see the company fail, but I believe that many Union members are too obtuse to realize that many of their demands will cause a company to fail. |
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If you enjoy two days off from work every week you owe a thank you to Unions. If you enjoy a 40 hour work week you owe a thank you to the Unions. If you enjoy time and a half pay for overtime worked you owe a thank you to the Unions. If you have ever been injured on the job and needed workmans comp or other work related injury insurance to help pay the bills while you recovered you owe a thank you to Unions. If your workplace is mostly free of discrimination or intimidation from company owners, managers, and peers you owe a thank you to the Unions. If you benefit from the improvements in workplace safety that have occured over the last 100 years you owe a thank you to the Unions. Many non-union members today enjoy benefits that only exist because individual working men banded together, formed Unions, paid their dues, and fought for improved working conditions that most all of us now benefit from. If you really hate Unions then man up and give all of those benefits away. SO as long as you do good things for a while, you can act like a bunch of mafia fucks and ruin everything? What's so hard to get. Yeah unions have done GREAT things, but not recently. Recently, they have only fucked things up by acting like thugs. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I own my own company and have not a damn thing to thank the Unions for regarding MY success! I am fair to my employees because it is the right thing to do not because some fucking union told me to or tries to make me be. Unions breed sloth and perceived entitlement and have no place in the 21st century. Quoted: Quoted: If you enjoy two days off from work every week you owe a thank you to Unions. If you enjoy a 40 hour work week you owe a thank you to the Unions. If you enjoy time and a half pay for overtime worked you owe a thank you to the Unions. If you have ever been injured on the job and needed workmans comp or other work related injury insurance to help pay the bills while you recovered you owe a thank you to Unions. If your workplace is mostly free of discrimination or intimidation from company owners, managers, and peers you owe a thank you to the Unions. If you benefit from the improvements in workplace safety that have occured over the last 100 years you owe a thank you to the Unions. Many non-union members today enjoy benefits that only exist because individual working men banded together, formed Unions, paid their dues, and fought for improved working conditions that most all of us now benefit from. If you really hate Unions then man up and give all of those benefits away. This. If employers do as you do, then unions probably aren't needed. Unfortunately not all employers are like you. You are to be commended, sir. The generalizations and silly anti union anecdotes here are laughable. There are plenty of unionized companies that are, and continue to be very profitable, their employees work hard, and understand that both the employer and employee have a vested interest in the continued success of the company. The idea that union members want to see their employer fail is incredibly naive and stupid. I don't believe they want to see the company fail, but I believe that many Union members are too obtuse to realize that many of their demands will cause a company to fail. A contract requires two parties. When a company fails, it is usually the result of many factors, including bad management. The fact is that millions of union members have given back pay and benefits to help their employers survive because all have a vested interest in success. Unions do not manage the company. Management does. Employees carry out the management plan. No single party causes failure. But bad management causes failure regardless of whether there is a union in place. Agreed? |
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The fact is that millions of union members have given back pay and benefits to help their employers survive because all have a vested interest in success. Unions do not manage the company. Management does. Employees carry out the management plan. No single party causes failure. But bad management causes failure regardless of whether there is a union in place. Agreed? I hate that so many people will condemn EVERYONE in organized labor because of some shit that has happened. I have never forgotten that cream and shit float, and that turds rise to the top. That doesn't mean the lower echelons are all slackers and leeches. Try working in either state or federal jobs and you'll see a hell of a lot more slackers, leeches, and unethical opportunists that you'll ever see in a local union. And don't think that management doesn't have say with union bosses. Many time the union bosses are drawing a check above the table from the union, and a much bigger one under the table from the companies. |
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