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Posted: 1/21/2002 1:48:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/21/2002 2:10:13 PM EDT by the_survivalist]
the unthinkable is happening, that witch you have been saying "it wont/san't happen" is happening NOW........ [url]www.kc3.com/news/chicago_confiscation.htm[/url] Confiscation of Registered Guns Begins in Illinois Chicago Anti Gun Enforcement (CAGE) unit. This elite squad, operated jointly by the Illinois State Police, the Chicago Police Department, and the Cook County State's Attorney's Office, supposedly exists to identify illegal gunrunners. However, information gained by the ISRA makes it clear that the CAGE unit is targeting law-abiding citizens, not criminal gunrunners. The Chicago Police Department and the Illinois State Police have teamed up to make good on Mayor Daley's pledge that, if it were up to him, nobody would have a gun. Daley and his elite "CAGE" unit are apparently taking advantage of gun privacy loopholes to pinpoint certain individuals for inclusion in the confiscation program. The ISRA is following up on leads in one case that has disturbing implications. An elderly first-generation Chicago resident was recently paid a visit by an Illinois State Police trooper. After asking to come inside the man's home, the trooper asked if the man owned a gun - to which he replied yes. The trooper then directed the individual to surrender the firearm. The man complied with the officer's demand and the trooper left with the gun. And the story gets better... The gun in question was purchased legally by the man in the 1970s shortly after he became a U.S. citizen. When Chicago's infamous gun registration scheme went into effect in the early 1980s, the man registered the firearm as per the requirement. However, over the years, the fellow apparently forgot to re-register the firearm, and forgot to renew his Illinois FOID Card. So...what does this all mean? In the last edition of The Illinois Shooter, we reported on the activities of a shady taskforce known as the Chicago Anti Gun Enforcement (CAGE) unit. This elite squad, operated jointly by the Illinois State Police, the Chicago Police Department, and the Cook County State's Attorney's Office, supposedly exists to identify illegal gunrunners. However, information gained by the ISRA makes it clear that the CAGE unit is targeting law-abiding citizens, not criminal gunrunners. Thanks to a ruling by a liberal federal judge, the CAGE unit now has the name of every single person in the United States who, since 1992, lawfully purchased more than one handgun in the period of a week. The CAGE unit also has all the makes, models and serial numbers of those guns. In essence, the Chicago Police Department is now registering guns and gun owners nationwide. The ISRA has also learned that the CAGE unit has compiled a list of families where more than one person in that family holds a FOID card. Acting on that information, the CAGE unit is now contacting gun shops where those families have shopped, and is illegally registering all guns purchased by those families. Now, it appears that the CAGE unit is scrubbing Chicago's gun registration list against the list of FOID card holders. Indications are that folks who have let their registrations and FOIDs lapse will have their guns confiscated. We have to wonder how long it will be until state troopers show up at the doors to confiscate the guns of non-Chicago residents who have let their FOIDs expire. More later as this story develops. Source: Illinois State Rifle Association
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That's just plain wrong. I've always suspected something like this would happen. When I lived in the "burbs" a few years ago, the rumors were flying then that anyone with an "assault weapon" in Cook county was going to get busted. They've had a ban on "assault weapons" in Cook county for years but no one every really did anything about it. Even gun stores such as GAT sold "assault weapons" to people who clearly lived in Cook county. Hell, they even sold handguns to people who had Chicago addresses on their FOID cards. All you had to do was say you weren't storing it in the city and they didn't do anything. But somebody was watching... I also know that the local police and ATF routinely stopped into GAT to check records. I believe it was once a week on every Tuesday or Wednesday. They were looking for people who made lots of purchases or who were purchasing particular types of weapons. They were photo copying 4473 forms and all sorts of stuff that you would think would be illegal... but it went on and probably still goes on there to this day. This was told to me by several employees whom I came to know very well after having spent thousands of bucks in there over the years. Having known this for years I left that state believing something like this was coming. They have been compiling a shit list in that state far longer than many people know. I only lived in that fascist state for a little over 3 years. By the time my FOID card expired for the first time I was gone... and happily so. What's funny is that most of the state is progun, geographically speaking. But the population is so high in Chicago that their politics dictate the politics of the entire state. Daley shouldn't have any power outside of his corrupt city, but he does. He frequently tries to force the Governor to follow his marching orders and often succeeds.
Link Posted: 1/21/2002 2:16:59 PM EDT
This is old news. The lastest is the Jim Ryan "internet gun sting" a republican- spent 250 k on buying guns over the net. No convictions, other than catching a cop in Ohio selling a Galli. The ISRA said shit about it to members. Only when the Democrats do it, they say anything. c-rock
Link Posted: 1/21/2002 2:31:14 PM EDT
I forgot it goes something like this. Cost is $20 per firearm, per year. Each arm gets a card, on that card is a passport quality photo on it. So cost can be around $25-30 per arm, per year!! For someone like me, thats around $400 a year! Nothing pistol can be registered, no assualt weapons in the city also. Except M1A's. c-rock
Link Posted: 1/21/2002 2:52:30 PM EDT
You now have Chicago and Wisconsin. I think they are going to be in for a little suprise someday. AMERICANS HAVE NEVER LIVEN IN TYRANNY. I AM NOT SO SURE THEY ARE GOING TO START NOW. It maybe that Democrat Legislatures are viewing the ANTI-GUN activities in such a manner as to believe they are not going to be getting second chances to reverse this, so they are attempting a last ditch effort to confiscate firearms. The END IS COMMING FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. THE AMERICANS ARE FED UP WITH THIS SHIT. THEY UNDERSTAND PLAINLY WHO IS AT FAULT IN THE SACRIFICE OF THIER RIGHTS AND THEIR COUNTRY AND I THINK ITS GAME OVER FOR LEFTIST , DEMOCRATS, AND SOCIALISTS IN OUR NATION. AMERICANS SET THERE AND FOR EIGHT YEARS WATCHED JANET RENO, BILL CLINTON, HILLARY AND DEMOCRATS. OVER TAX THEM, OVER LEGISLATE THEM, SALE TECHNOLOGICAL SECRETS TO THE CHINESE, SALE AMERICA DOWN THE RIVER ON DEFENSE, ON FORIEGN POLICY, ON LOCAL ELECTIONS. WATCHED FOREIGN NATIONALS CONTRIBUTE TO THE DEMOCRATS CAMPAIGNS, THOSE NATIONALS COME FROM COUNTRIES THEY KNOW DON'T LIKE AMERICA, THEY HAVE PUT 2 & 2 TOGETHER AND FIGURED OUT THE DEMOCRATS DON'T LIKE AMERICA EITHER. LIGHTS OUT , GAMES OVER FELLAS. Benjamin
Link Posted: 1/21/2002 3:04:15 PM EDT
Someone catch me up on what is happening in Wisconsin, please.
Link Posted: 1/21/2002 3:14:29 PM EDT
RKB, There is legislation pending in the Legislature in Wisconsin that would ban all but single shot firearms. See the news article on the Front of the Ar15.com sight. Benjamin
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Guess what..no FOID card, no legal gun ownership in Illinois. The guy should have kept his FOID card current. Same with the other folks they are trying to check on who might be in possession of a firearm without a valid FOID card. Did you somehow think a FOID card was optional? A similar scenario would be someone who used to have a drivers license and thinks that somehow its still legal for them to drive even though they've let the drivers license lapse.
Link Posted: 1/21/2002 4:02:32 PM EDT
When is the rest of the country going to wake up. In my state, New F***ing York, we gun owners thought we had it made with a republican govenor. Then one day last year, the republican controled senate screwed every gun owner in the state by pushing throught the 5 point gun control package. Then our govenor packed salt back there when he signed it into law after the penis rubbing, salivating, rabid, pinko democrat controled assembly pushed through its own legislature that mirrored the senate bill. With one stroke of a pen, the govenor did more damage to gun rights in NFYS than 12 years of Cuomo. They said it will not effect anyone. They said the AW ban only mirrored the Fed ban. But, now I here the want to use the these law to start banning the possession. They probably cannot do that yet, but I'm sure they will start slipping in amendments to the law periodically untill they think it is OK to do whatever they want. BE WARNED!!!
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Another reason I'll never vote for Pataki again,Bilster.
Link Posted: 1/21/2002 4:24:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/21/2002 4:24:41 PM EDT by bilster]
tcsd1236, In the senate, Jim Allisi (not sure if this is spelled right) is still on our side. I no longer live in his senatorial district though. I will research my current senator, and see where he stands on the 2nd Amendment.
Link Posted: 1/21/2002 4:26:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By tcsd1236: Guess what..no FOID card, no legal gun ownership in Illinois. The guy should have kept his FOID card current. Same with the other folks they are trying to check on who might be in possession of a firearm without a valid FOID card. Did you somehow think a FOID card was optional? A similar scenario would be someone who used to have a drivers license and thinks that somehow its still legal for them to drive even though they've let the drivers license lapse.
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you are fucking kidding right?... if not then i'd better go renew my FOSP card right the hell now! Dont want my Freedom of Speech and Religon revoked because i let that lapse too. I'll be damned if i think that this FOID card is even "optional", I'd rather think it's "illegal". It is cowards like you that give our RKBA no credibility. It is either absolute or nothing at all. "..not be infringed..." means just that.
Link Posted: 1/21/2002 4:33:24 PM EDT
and to compare gun ownership to car ownership is completely disregarding the BOR. nowhere can i find any mention of the rights to navigate any sort of vehicle without restriction. buddy, when the feds issue you your Speech ID that you have to use before you open your trap, will you still make that comparison (to a drivers license)? hell, as it is, [b]I'd[/b] vote for its revokation.
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[Last Edit: 1/21/2002 4:57:02 PM EDT by mattja]
Can't you guys just quit your job, pack your bags, and your family and move to a new state? That is the solution we hear here every day, right?
Link Posted: 1/21/2002 5:01:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Big_Bear:
Originally Posted By colinjay: ...It is cowards like you that give our RKBA no credibility. It is either absolute or nothing at all. "..not be infringed..." means just that.
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I agree with you on the "absolute" thing, but unless you carry a concealed weapon Vermont-style in Texas without a valid [i]CCW PERMIT[/i], it's not nice and rather hypocritical to call other people cowards.
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actually i dont currently have a concealable weapon to use, but i still stand by my word. "coward". to accuse this man of wrongdoing because [b]HE[/b] did not [b]RENEW[/b] his license to own a firearm is [b]COWARDLY[/b]. also, even when i live in phoenix i did not "open carry" not because i didnt want to, but because my USP Tactical doesnt fit well on my skinny frame.
Link Posted: 1/21/2002 5:02:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Big_Bear: Well, there's another one off my "getting out of California" moving list. Texas Arizona Florida [s]Wisconsin[/s] [s]Illinois[/s] Vermont Kentucky Tennessee
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WHY NOT GEORGIA?
Link Posted: 1/21/2002 5:06:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mattja: Can't you guys just quit your job, pack your bags, and your family and move to a new state? That is the solution we hear here every day, right?
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I did. Moved out of So. Cal. (Chino) in 1993. I can't stand being in that area for more than two days. Just long enough to visit friends and family, then get out. Crossing the border back to Az. is almost a physical relief.
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Link Posted: 1/21/2002 5:43:40 PM EDT
just like ca. before I'am long dead and gone you will not be able to own a gun here in the us anywhere unless you are a elite storm trooper. we deserve this. and it will be nation wide in the next 10 years. start salting some of your weapons away where no one will find them registration or not. how many ak47's , fal's or cetme's and sks's do we need laying around the house for someone to steal from us. find a couple of nice secluded spots deep in the woods and bury a couple of all those cheap surplus guns that are out there. I'am not so parinoid as to go over board and did not get anything extra for y2k or after 9-11. but have put weapons and mags with ammo around a few places. those 55 gallon plastic drums bury real nice and won't rust like the steel one's will. the poor guy in chi-town did not follow up but if you believe they will not think of other ways to get them you are being not to bright. talk about the stock market and investing for retirement most all of us do and even I getting close to retiring I think the best insurence for my kids future and my countries is to be armed some day in the future. after your resricted on moving about the country and they can track you it will start to get worse very worse. this years goal is to make a .50 with ammo and a couple more sks's drop off the face of the earth. enough said.
Link Posted: 1/21/2002 6:00:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By GWF:
Originally Posted By mattja: Can't you guys just quit your job, pack your bags, and your family and move to a new state? That is the solution we hear here every day, right?
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I did. Moved out of So. Cal. (Chino) in 1993. I can't stand being in that area for more than two days. Just long enough to visit friends and family, then get out. Crossing the border back to Az. is almost a physical relief.
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Do you miss the swap meet? Or, I guess they called it an "auction" when I lived in Upland.
Link Posted: 1/21/2002 6:09:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Big_Bear: I understand colinjay, and thanks for your honesty. All that "absolute RKBA" sounds well and good but my point was that we all submit to "infringements" on our RKBA every day (some more than others), whether it's filling out a form, submitting to a background check, or carrying a permit. If you only do private sales then maybe you don't, and good for you. I don't particularly like filling out a form 4473 and submitting to a background check to buy a gun but it's something I have to do as required by law. I guess that makes me a coward too.
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agreed, i was just commenting on someones "justification" of confiscation. my vow is to become more "absolute RKBA" and not less. i hope that everyone else here is on the same page. telling me that you hope i burn at the stake for not playing by the rules however is when i would call you a coward.
Link Posted: 1/21/2002 6:32:48 PM EDT
Big_Bear: (s)...my point was that we all submit to "infringements" on our RKBA every day (some more than others)....{s)
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Yes. Some more than others... [:\]
Link Posted: 1/21/2002 8:15:23 PM EDT
quote] Do you miss the swap meet? Or, I guess they called it an "auction" when I lived in Upland.[/quote] No not especially. By the time I left, it was too much new, made in china trash. When I was a kid, we used to go to the auction, when it was an auction. I do kinda miss the "Tamale King"(?), that used to set up on the corner and bicuits and gravy at the airport.
Link Posted: 1/21/2002 8:58:17 PM EDT
There will be a nation wide FOID this year. It is called the driver's license and all your data will be encoded on it. Failure to present your ID will soon become a felony. Of course, all this will cost money. Cost of a DL will be rapidly raised to 30 - 40 or more. The anti-car bunch will probably lobby (successfully?) for a more PC 500 per year! As your ID becomes more universally required to buy gas, groceries, medical care, travel, guns, ammo - virtually everything - remember it is for your safety!! Think I am joking? The data upgrade on DL has already been approved. All the other things have been discussed. Most politicans see it as a good thing. Soon after the next terrorist attack, implementation will be swift, the consequences dire. Welcome to Nazi America!!
Link Posted: 1/21/2002 9:05:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By c-rock: This is old news. The lastest is the Jim Ryan "internet gun sting" a republican- spent 250 k on buying guns over the net. No convictions, other than catching a cop in Ohio selling a Galli. The ISRA said shit about it to members. Only when the Democrats do it, they say anything. c-rock
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So what you are saying is the Dems and Reps up there are all commies,not just the Dems. Damn Yankies! can't trust any of them.
Link Posted: 1/21/2002 9:18:29 PM EDT
Is there an easy way to destroy the "electronic thumbprint" or whatever the heck it is that is already on DLs (at least here in GA) without visually damaging the card? Is that legal? Just curious for educational purposes. Magnets or something screw it up?
Link Posted: 1/21/2002 9:30:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By colinjay:
Originally Posted By tcsd1236: Guess what..no FOID card, no legal gun ownership in Illinois. The guy should have kept his FOID card current. Same with the other folks they are trying to check on who might be in possession of a firearm without a valid FOID card. Did you somehow think a FOID card was optional? A similar scenario would be someone who used to have a drivers license and thinks that somehow its still legal for them to drive even though they've let the drivers license lapse.
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you are fucking kidding right?... if not then i'd better go renew my FOSP card right the hell now! Dont want my Freedom of Speech and Religon revoked because i let that lapse too. I'll be damned if i think that this FOID card is even "optional", I'd rather think it's "illegal". It is cowards like you that give our RKBA no credibility. It is either absolute or nothing at all. "..not be infringed..." means just that.
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No, I am NOT kidding. State alw requires that Illinois residents have the card. Otherwise they are breaking the law. If they don't like it, they can overturn the law through popular referendum. I don't hear of any mass movement to do that, so I assume that there isn't support to revoke the law. In the meantime, residents have to follow the law as it exists. Please keep the name-calling out of this debate.Thanks.
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Link Posted: 1/22/2002 4:02:04 AM EDT
Originally Posted By tcsd1236: No, I am NOT kidding. State alw requires that Illinois residents have the card. Otherwise they are breaking the law. If they don't like it, they can overturn the law through popular referendum. I don't hear of any mass movement to do that, so I assume that there isn't support to revoke the law. In the meantime, residents have to follow the law as it exists. Please keep the name-calling out of this debate.Thanks.
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and you think there havent been an attempt at removceing this uncionstitutional law?? of course there have, but the media won't touch it because it is pro gun news.. so never trust the media.... you never get the whole story.
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