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Posted: 1/16/2002 10:45:30 AM EDT
The "Fox News Alert" scroller just popped up with "6 people shot at Grundy, VA school. Details after ashcroft." Between this and the gang shooting in NY yesterday, I can't help but think, "Here we go again."
Link Posted: 1/16/2002 11:35:14 AM EDT
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - At least five people were shot on Wednesday at a law school in Grundy, a small town in southwestern Virginia, apparently by a male student who opened fire in a student lounge. "There's been five, maybe six people shot. I think they have everything under control," a woman who answered the phone at the sheriff's office said. Alicia O'Quin, a special assistant to the president of the Appalachian School of Law, said a male student had apparently entered a student lounge area on the campus at about 1 p.m. EST and opened fire. O'Quin said she did not know if anyone was killed or how many were wounded. It was unclear, she said, how many people were in the lounge at the time of the shooting. "All the details are sketchy at the moment. We are still trying to find out exactly what happened," she said. Police and ambulances rushed to the scene and she said the campus was being evacuated. A trauma team had arrived to counsel students and a command center had been set up in the law library. "Nothing like this has ever happened before, either here or even in this county. It's usually a very quiet campus, very intimate," said O'Quin, adding that there were only about 240 students on the campus.
Link Posted: 1/16/2002 11:52:21 AM EDT
maby i am just paranoid, but for some reason i think were going to see a lot of instances like this all over the country in the next few months. the antis know they are loseing the gun battle, so they are orcestrating some "tradgeties" to bolster there agenda. my .02
Link Posted: 1/17/2002 1:22:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By the_survivalist: the antis know they are loseing the gun battle, so they are orcestrating some "tradgeties" to bolster there agenda.
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[b]WHAT???[/b]You mean to tell me that You think the "anti's" are perhaps hiring kids to kill kids, just to further their cause?? If so, that's gotta be to MOST ridiculous thing I've heard! I really doubt even Sarah Brady herself would even consider such a scheme! And [size=5]NO![/size=5]I'm no fan of hers!
Link Posted: 1/17/2002 1:59:32 AM EDT
I have been saying to my wife over the past few months that I would not be to surprised if there are quite a number of murders,suicides and crimes involving the use of firearms within the next year. My reasoning for this is because of the slumping economy. People need money to support themselves and there family members, and if the means are not there to support ones family then crime,or murder/suicide will become a factor.If one were to get laid off from there job and felt that it was unjust well there is just another possible incident of some kind of work related shooting ramage. Depending on were you live and ones skills jobs can be hard to come by these days. Relocating to a regoin were jobs are easier to come by might not be feasable for most. Just an observation. I hope my thoughts are wrong but people do strange things when they feel hopeless. As far as the ant-gunners haveing some plot I would not put it past them one bit. What a way to push there agenda by setting up some kind of incident. Not that anybody could prove such a thing but one could use mind control/brain washing or even pay off someone to use a firearm to promote an anti-gun position. There are many covert operators who are skilled in the art of mind control/brain washing. But enough of the conspiricy theories.
Link Posted: 1/17/2002 2:46:33 AM EDT
Originally Posted By PAPA101-FISH: Depending on were you live and ones skills jobs can be hard to come by these days.
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This isn't a flame directed at you PAPA, BUT! [rant/on] I am of the mindset that this is TOTAL [size=5]F%$#ING[/size=5] CRAP! The way I see it, just because you just got laid off from your cushy little supervisor job at the local DOT-Com joint. Does NOT, I repeat NOT mean you arent above flipping burgers at Mac-Daddy's/Wendy's/Booger Thing etc. Swallow your pride and do what it takes to take care of your family, instead of becoming a 'Thug' Whatever happened to "A man's gotta do, what a MAN'S gotta do"??? [rant/off]
Link Posted: 1/17/2002 2:55:55 AM EDT
That's not what he said, Ruckus. When you go from earning $30 an hour to $6 an hour, it's get a little difficult to provide for your family as you once did. This introduces all sorts of stress that many people are not equipped well enough to properly deal with. Couple that with the current generation's inexperience in dealing with economically hard times, their unrealistic expectations, general sense of entitlement, and you have a a recipe for a rash of violent outbursts. I agree with your "buck up and take it" attitude, but also acknowledge that it is easier said than done.
Link Posted: 1/17/2002 3:02:31 AM EDT
GRUNDY, Va., Jan. 16 — A student who had been suspended earlier in the day was in custody Wednesday after a gunman opened fire at Appalachian School of Law in western Virginia, killing two faculty members and a student and wounding three other students. Among the dead was the school’s dean, a former Clinton administration official who was “executed in his office,” a doctor said.DEAN L. ANTHONY SUTIN and the other faculty member, identified as Professor Thomas Blackwell, were shot at close range as they sat in their offices, said Dr. Jack Briggs, the first physician on the scene. The gunman then walked downstairs and began firing randomly, Briggs said in an interview with CNN, adding that the injured students had been critically wounded. NBC affiliate WCYB-TV in Bristol, Va., reported that other students managed to tackle the gunman shortly after he opened fire in a common area. Peter Odighizuma, 43, described as a Nigerian exchange student, was being held in the Buchanan County jail but had not yet been charged, police said. “He was suspended from school effective today for some unknown reason and came back,” Virginia State Police Lt. Jason Miles told Reuters. “He used a .380 semiautomatic handgun.” CAMPUS EVACUATED Alicia O’Quin, a special assistant to Sutin, told Reuters that the gunman entered a student lounge area about 1 p.m. ET and opened fire. She said it was unclear how many people were in the lounge at the time. Police and ambulances rushed to the scene, and the campus was evacuated, she said. The private law school was closed for the rest of the week. “Nothing like this has ever happened before, either here or even in this county. It’s usually a very quiet campus, very intimate,” said O’Quin, adding that there were only about 240 students on the campus. Grundy resident Tiffany Street, 20, told The Associated Press, “There were fire trucks, ambulances, state police and cops all heading toward the school. “I’ve never seen anything like this,” said Street, who works at a nearby motel. “Grundy’s a very small town, and I’ve been here all my life.” Justin Marlowe, a first-year law student from Richwood, W.Va., said the suspect had been in all of his classes. “He was a real quiet guy who kept to himself. He didn’t talk to anybody, but he gave no indication that he was capable of something like this,” Marlowe said. Briggs told CNN that he had previously treated the suspect for stress. “I had no idea that it would affect him this way,” Briggs said. “However, he was a time bomb waiting to go off.”
Link Posted: 1/17/2002 3:03:17 AM EDT
CLINTON ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL Sutin, an election law specialist widely quoted during the legal struggle in Florida after the 2000 presidential campaign, was deputy associate attorney general and the Justice Department’s acting director of legislative affairs during the Clinton administration. He served in legal positions with the 1992 Clinton-Gore presidential campaign and with the Democratic National Committee Sutin (pronounced Sutton) was “very well respected,” said the Rev. Charles Lees, dean of Grundy Bible Institute, who spent much of Wednesday counseling students and staff at the law school. “The Appalachian Law School is a new school, and he has worked very hard to get it developed,” Lees said in an interview with MSNBC. Virginia Gov. Mark Warner, a member of the school’s board until his inauguration Sunday, said he was shocked and saddened. “I commend the students who acted swiftly to apprehend the suspect, who is now in custody,” Warner said. “My heart goes out to the school and the community. I know that such a close-knit community will feel such a tragedy especially deeply.” Attorney General John Ashcroft said in a statement, “My thoughts and prayers go out to Mr. Sutin’s wife, Margaret, their two children and to all of their family and friends.” The law school, which is near the Kentucky border in the Appalachian foothills, opened in 1997 in a renovated junior high school. Its enrollment is about 170. MSNBC.com’s Alex Johnson, The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
Link Posted: 1/17/2002 3:06:25 AM EDT
I know he didn't say that. And I know it's tough taking a paycut like that. But, it can be done. It's just that "easy way out" attitude that kinda gets me riled up. Imagine if you will, WHEN (not IF) another Great Depression rears it's ugly head upon this country. This (me included) generation would in NO WAY handle it as well as our Great/Grand/Parents did then. If it happened tomorrow, it would be like hitting the self destruct button on the nation. Which would take Generations to rebuild. I guess my point is, were getting softer, and that ain't good!
Link Posted: 1/17/2002 9:16:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Ruckus: Imagine if you will, WHEN (not IF) another Great Depression rears it's ugly head upon this country. This (me included) generation would in NO WAY handle it as well as our Great/Grand/Parents did then. If it happened tomorrow, it would be like hitting the self destruct button on the nation. Which would take Generations to rebuild. I guess my point is, were getting softer, and that ain't good!
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Hey, you got no argument from me there. Another depression on the order of teh Great Depression would probably push this country into civil war or towards some drastically more controlling form of government. Personally, I think our country no longer has the stomach to fight a war on the magnitude of WWII, either. Look at what happens every time ONE soldier gets killed in combat. It's on the news for weeks. Just imagine if D-Day occurred under this sort of media coverage. You're right, as a nation, we are getting softer. We are too materialistic and unwilling to give any of it up or make any real sacrifices.
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