Hope I haven't offended anyone by using this old name, but the article did.  And I hope this is not a repeat from days ago.

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'Negroes With Guns'

                     Dr. Michael S. Brown
                     Dec. 28, 2001


                 The year was 1957. Monroe, N.C., was a rigidly segregated town
                 where all levels of white society and government were dedicated to
                 preserving the racial status quo. Blacks who dared to speak out
                 were subject to brutal, sadistic violence.

                 It was common practice for convoys of Ku Klux Klan members to
                 drive through black neighborhoods shooting in all directions. A
                 black physician who owned a nice brick house on a main road was
                 a frequent target of racist anger.

                 In the summer of 1957, a Klan motorcade sent to attack the house
                 was met by a disciplined volley of rifle fire from a group of black
                 veterans and NRA members led by civil rights activist Robert F.
                 Williams.

                 Using military-surplus rifles from behind sandbag fortifications, the
                 small band of freedom fighters drove off the larger force of
                 Klansmen with no casualties reported on either side.

                 Williams, a former Marine who volunteered to lead the Monroe
                 chapter of the NAACP and founded a 60-member NRA-chartered
                 rifle club, described the battle in his 1962 book, "Negroes With
                 Guns," which was reprinted in 1998 by Wayne State University
                 Press.

                 According to Williams, the Monroe group owed its survival in the
                 face of vicious violence to the fact that they were armed. In several
                 cases, police officials who normally ignored or encouraged Klan
                 violence took steps to prevent whites from attacking armed blacks.
                 In other cases, fanatical racists suddenly turned into cowards when
                 they realized their intended victims were armed.

-con-

Oddly, it appears that the organized armed blacks of Monroe never
                 shot any of their tormentors. The simple existence of guns in the
                 hands of men who were willing to use them prevented greater
                 violence.

                 It is important to note that the guns were not used offensively. They
                 were part of an overall strategy that relied primarily on peaceful
                 protest like picketing or entering whites-only establishments.
                 Williams demonstrated that the dignified and responsible use of
                 firearms for self-defense was an important method to achieve
                 justice for those denied fair treatment by all institutions of
                 government.

                 The civil rights movement was deeply divided between those who
                 espoused a pacifist, non-violent approach and those who believed
                 that human beings had a right and a duty to use force in
                 self-defense. Williams was the most influential leader of the
                 self-defense wing of the movement.

                 His effort to provide guns and training to African-American civil
                 rights supporters was alarming to white politicians. Most state gun
                 control laws, not just in the South, were blatantly designed to keep
                 guns out of the hands of blacks and other minorities. Those with
                 racist beliefs were not pleased when blacks claimed the right to keep
                 and bear arms that is guaranteed to all Americans.

                 The connection with the NRA might surprise some people who
                 portray the organization as a haven for racist rednecks. Former
                 NRA Executive Director Tanya Metaksa spoke with Williams
                 before his death. She recalls, "He was very proud of being an NRA
                 member and that the NRA sanctioned his club without question."

                 The civil rights organizations of today bear little resemblance to the
                 deadly serious armed activists of Monroe. African-American leaders
                 generally support the liberal white line that guns are evil and have
                 no place in modern society.

                 On the other hand, small numbers of responsible black gun owners
                 continue to honor their heritage by practicing their marksmanship
                 and joining gun rights organizations. The tradition of the black gun
                 club still lives on in the Tenth Cavalry Gun club, led by Ken
                 Blanchard in Prince Georges County, Md.

                 While researching this column, I contacted Don Kates, a civil rights
                 attorney who went to North Carolina in 1963 to participate in the
                 movement. I asked if he ever carried a gun during those days and
                 he responded with a list of a half-dozen that were always within
                 reach.

-con-

Kates also suggested that I read a letter written by an old friend of
                 his from those days, John R. Salter Jr., who is now Professor
                 Emeritus at the University of North Dakota. Here are two brief
                 quotes:

                      In the early 1960s, I taught at Tougaloo College, a black
                      school in Jackson, Mississippi. I was a member of the
                      statewide board of the NAACP and was Chairman of the
                      Jackson Movement. No one knows what kind of
                      massive racist retaliation would have been directed at
                      grass-roots black people had the black community not
                      had a healthy measure of firearms within it.

                      During most of the 1960s I did civil rights work in
                      various parts of the South and almost always had with
                      me a .38 special Smith and Wesson 2-inch-barrel
                      revolver – what you would now erroneously call a
                      "Saturday Night Special."

                 In 1962 the Monroe freedom fighters were overwhelmed by a huge
                 mob that converged on the town. The Justice Department and the
                 state police ignored calls for help. The rabid racists were aided by
                 law enforcement that branded Williams a communist and a
                 dangerous schizophrenic.

                 Rob Williams eluded an FBI manhunt and fled to Cuba, which he
                 erroneously believed to be free of racism. Within five years he
                 realized that Cuba was not as he had imagined and moved on to
                 China. There he was treated as a celebrity and returned to the
                 United States in 1969 with the quiet blessing of Richard Nixon.

                 Williams worked as a China scholar at the University of Michigan
                 and reportedly advised Henry Kissinger on Chinese affairs. He died
                 in 1996.

                 Dr. Michael S. Brown is an optometrist and member of Doctors
                 for Sensible Gun Laws, www.dsgl.org. He may be reached at
                 [email protected]

                 References:

                 [url]http://www.lexis-nexis.com/academic/2upa/Aaas/bpower2.htm[/url]
                 [url]http://www.natcom.org/roc/one-one/hope.htm[/url]
                 [url]http://www.blackmanwithagun.net/intro.htm[/url] (Ken Blanchard)
                 [url]http://www.saf.org/pub/rkba/general/GunsVersusKKK.htm[/url] (John R.
                 Salter Jr.)

OK- somebody fill me in- why was this original thread locked?

Where is CavVet when we need him?......

So this is where drive-by shootings started.

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The article was posted the first time by a guy named Hoser88. The link to the national alliance nazi site was posted on the General Firearms Discussion forum by a guy named area88. Seeing a pattern yet?

H is the eighth letter of the alphabet.
HH is nazi skin slang for "Heil Hitler."

Of course, I could be wrong. It could be that these Dr. Mengele decoder ring wearers are just big Eric Lindros fans... [rolleyes]

I like Hoser88's in-depth commentary on the other AR15 link better than reading this article.  But then another link is also makes comments like:



I missed the deep south 50's but now we have multiple claims of KKK Nightriders shooting indiscriminately.  What we can't believe would happen today, could have happened in the 50's and the news media would have ignored it.

A [b]a disciplined volley of rifle fire[/b] doesn't mean you aimed at the intended target, they could have fired a warning shot.  Sure, may were from WWII, but this would have been a disorganized mob gathering, not an organized military operation.  A volley of shots could have easily dispersed the crowd.  

Hmmm...

"Barbecue Buster"
"Beer Belly"
"Biscuits-and-gravy Biter"

I don't know, brother. "Jarhead_22" is what hotmail suggested when I tried to get "[email protected]," so I went with it.

I lived in Monroe, N.C. from 1967 until 1978 and never heard mention of this at all.  I was in Scouts, parents were active in the community and school, at the local gun club and hunted and fished.  NEVER, EVER even heard this story.  Asked my Dad, who was a mamber of the local VFW, Moose Lodge and Legion hall.  He said it sounds like bullsh!t.  
I can prove I lived there it was a town of approx. 11,000 when I left, small enough to hear things.

My girlfriend is black/hispanic. She was living in LA during the 94 riots (or whenever). She actually got to see the police leave (in person). She said that the only non-black businesses that didn't get burned down was the ones with armed guys standing out front. Everything else got robbed and torched.

She lives here in Texas, owns a Glock 17 and a Colt AR-15 HBAR. The Colt has a Bushnell Holosight on it. If any rednecks come driving down her street with a white hood on then there is going to be a red hole in it right after they get to her house. Trust me when I tell you that there will be no warning shots.

It's not blacks with guns you gotta worry about. Hell, it's not asians, arabs, hispanics, etc, etc, etc. The only people you gotta worry about with guns are WOMEN. You piss them off and they will shoot your ass, no questions asked.

I don't know.  I could see some reasons why this might happen:
The defenders may have been shooting to warn, not to kill.  Killing could have had larger consequences, and may have been considered a last resort.
I have read this story before in the American Rifleman a few years ago, which mentioned that this confrontation took place at night, like most KKK actions.  This was 1957, rifles had no night sights or red dot sights, street lighting in a black neighborhood, even on the main road, may have been less than perfect, the parties may simply have missed each other in the dark.
It is difficult to hit someone traveling in a moving car, or someone entrenched behind sandbags.
There is some statistic somewhere that the US Army in Vietnam fired over 30,000 rounds of small arms fire per VietCong/NVA casualty.  Sorry, I cannot find the source right now.
Even today, there are gunfights where tens of rounds are fired and no one gets hit.

It would be interesting to get some independent corroboration of this story.

In the old days, when Rec.guns flame burned even brighter than it does now, I did some research on the topic which lead me to this book. It was an old book on the top floor of the U library, it was paperback and survived only because it was in a box.
I posted a book report on it, and the training and firefights.
Odd how the NAACP forgets who supported the blacks in staying alive, and who tried to make them defenseless victims....
must be a memory problem...

Anyhow, the leader (who the NAACP fired and the locals rehired) used the local black gun club as a source of both rifles and training. He was a former Marine NCO, and his first mission was arming the men. He used a mix of NRA M1s and other rifles, and had to import German WWII rifles cheaply to round out his TE. The NRA provided training in addition to materials.
He then trained the men to aim, and to use sparks to insure they were on target. This was because most white forces used a 1950s sort of driveby attack. The men knew they were on target when they saw hits on the cars. I believe that explains the lack of deaths.
His men also used rifles to drive off a light aircraft on a firebombing mission.
His leadership ended when a white couple who were connected with the attacking forces came into his area and he held them to safeguard them from his men. He was then arrested by state forces.
Later his men were disarmed by federal agents  and left defenseless victims because of their use of German arms (German=Nazi=Commie in the fed mind)
The leader then escaped, first to Canada and then to Cuba.

                                            Long-Gone......and I don`t blame him...[spank]

Very sad- he had some good stuff to say. I sorta remember how he left, prob. from having to deal with the neanderthals that crop up on this forum from time to time.....
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Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will.
Find out just what people will submit to and you have found out the exact
amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these
will continue until they have resisted with either words or blows, or both.
The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they
suppress.

- --FREDRICK DOUGLASS

"The lesson this [an example of successful resistance to lynchers] teaches and which every African American should ponder well, is that a Winchester rifle should have a place of honor in every black home, and it should be used for that protection which the law refuses to give." — Civil rights leader [b]Ida B. Wells[/b], [u]Southern Horrors: Lynch Law In All Its Phases[/u] (New York, 1892), 22-23.

An article in Virginia's official university law review called for a "prohibitive tax... on the privilege" of selling handguns as a way of disarming "the son of Ham", whose "cowardly practice of 'toting' guns has been one of the most fruitful sources of crime... Let a negro board a railroad train with a quart of mean whiskey and a pistol in his grip and the chances are that there will be a murder, or at least a row, before he alights." —  [i]Carrying Concealed Weapons[/i], 15 Va L. Reg. 391, 391-92 (1909), [u]George Mason University Civil Rights Law Journal[/u], Vol. 2, No. 1, "Gun Control and Racism," [b]Stefan Tahmassebi[/b], 1991, p. 75]

"No slaves shall keep any arms whatever, nor pass, unless with written orders for his master or employer, or in his company, with arms from one place to another. Arms in possession of a slave contrary to this prohibition shall be forfeited to him who will seize them."  — [u]A Bill Concerning Slaves[/u], Virginia Assembly, 1779

95th ft.......I agree I liked Cav Vet myself......someone tried to get him to re-up.......but it WAS some of the narrow minded b/s that pissed him off...as I said...don`t blame him.......[:(]

Let me just say that I have met CavVet, and he really seemed like a great guy. As a matter of fact, he's now the proud owner of a Walther P99 that I sold him.

I could only hope that other members of this board are as cool as he is. Too bad he left due to some of the a$$holes here.

No, ever hear of the roaring 20`s? Ya know Tommy guns and gansters?

CavVet, GovtThug and one other... I don't remember who were the only people that stood up with me during my first post(a little over a year ago). It was a racial thread, and headed by McUzi and a few others who I also don't remember.

I remember just buying my first AR, finding this site, and reading how racist this thread was. That was my first impression of this web site. The ONLY reason I stayed was to fight McUzi(and friends) alongside CavVet, GovtThug and someone else.

Later on I found out that the majority is not racist. But I remember being so furious reading what people where saying about blacks, or minorities with guns. Just pissed me off and kind of made me want to do to them what they said minorities would do if they were allowed to have weapons. [pissed]

But for the most part, I haven't seen one of those threads in a while. [beer]

"CavVet, GovtThug and one other... I don't remember who were the only people that stood up with me during my first post(a little over a year ago). It was a racial thread, and headed by McUzi and a few others who I also don't remember.

I remember just buying my first AR, finding this site, and reading how racist this thread was. That was my first impression of this web site. The ONLY reason I stayed was to fight McUzi(and friends) alongside CavVet, GovtThug and someone else.

Later on I found out that the majority is not racist. But I remember being so furious reading what people where saying about blacks, or minorities with guns. Just pissed me off and kind of made me want to do to them what they said minorities would do if they were allowed to have weapons" posted by et3_surfacewar

You just joined a little too early. Or maybe you're just a little too in touch with your feminine side. People keep telling me to get more in touch with my feminine side. If I could find my feminine side I'd be touching her all the time. [:D]

My girlfriend, as described above, wasn't really too interested in the AR till two things happened. She shot it, which she really liked, and then she saw my copy of "The Black Rifle". Well when she figured out that its semi-formal name was the BLACK rifle I think she decided then and there that she had an ethnic right to own one. I had never really thought about it till then but I'm certainly not going to be the one trying to tell a black person that they shouldn't have a black rifle [:D]

You know what, I'd say it was you Paul. Before you were a Moderator I believe. I'm not exactly sure, but does the nick ET3_NotReally look familiar to you?

retrodog: Yeah... sure... what he said. [whacko]

Does this guy qualify? [;)]

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I am a "Negro with a gun". My weapon is for the defense of -
My country
My freedom
My beliefs
My honor
My home
My family
My friends, regardless of race, creed or color
It may sound corny, but I just wanted to say that.