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Posted: 12/7/2001 4:28:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/7/2001 4:22:05 AM EDT by lonegunman]
What a crap movie, I watched the whole turd. It should have been called, "Two punks and a slut go to a war and have sex". You would have to believe that in 1939 the Army Air Corp would round up hillbilly kids and dummies that cannot read and make them fighter pilots. The above guys would single handedly fight the Germans, screw all the nurses and then get transferred from England to Hawaii in the days before the attack, then transfer them to Doolittle so they could fly a plane they have never seen before instead of using the hundreds of qualified bomber pilots already at hand. Then transfer the remaining "super pilots " back to Hawaii for more fighter pilot action, all while they take turns with the same nurse and she pretends to love them all, while screwing most of them. And oh yes by the way, the japs attack Pearl Harbor in the middle of the nurse orgy.
Link Posted: 12/7/2001 4:32:58 AM EDT
EXACTLY! Couldn't have said it better.
Link Posted: 12/7/2001 6:26:36 AM EDT
The ads billed it as a war movie, but in reality it was a love story. Typical PC BS.
Link Posted: 12/7/2001 6:32:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/7/2001 6:34:52 AM EDT by 226man]
One of my Son's friends said that they should change the title to "Japan bombs a bunch of lovers". This kid is pretty astute I must say. My Wife who likes action movies as much as I do, was disappointed and commented "Why must EVERY movie include some sort of unrealistic love story?" BTW, "Tora, Tora, Tora" was 100 times better.
Link Posted: 12/7/2001 7:06:34 AM EDT
I liked it. You are correct that it was not totally historically accurate. It is movie not a documentary. If you want more accuracy of what happened at Pearl Harbor watch one of the many excellent documantaries on the subject. In fact the History Channel's Pearl Harbor documentary is included with the new DVD!
Link Posted: 12/7/2001 7:25:47 AM EDT
I agree, the movie sucked! The chicks love it though.
Link Posted: 12/7/2001 8:01:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By lonegunman: It should have been called, "Two punks and a slut go to a war and have sex".
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Bwahahahaha! And the embedded "Cuba Gooding Jr." part of the movie... As far as Ben Affleck, it looked like he was playing a superstar who was playing a pilot...unimpressive. The action shots were "pretty" but did not give too much overall view of what was going on. About the only ship my wife recognized was the [i]Arizona[/i] while I answered questions of what they were showing this time ("Ok...now it looks like were back to seeing the [i]Oklahoma[/i] again..."). And there's no reference that I could find that a zero flew between two ships, plus no tactical advantage for the plane...more like attempted suicide by the pilot. As one of the technical advisors on the movie [i]Pearl Harbor[/i] put it..."We had to pick and choose our historical battles, believe me, it wasn't easy. The director's sole interest was 'how it looked.'"
Link Posted: 12/7/2001 8:19:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ar15bubba: I liked it.
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Are you a chick or just gay? [;)]
Link Posted: 12/7/2001 8:25:57 AM EDT
I work in Pearl Harbor and watched the movie being made. What a friggin joke! The part that really made me bust up laughing was when the zero's buzzed the three ships at anchor in the Harbor. Those ships , if you look at it carefully, Knox class frigates, FF1051 class from the late 60's! I know them well, since I served on one for 3 years (USS Francis Hammond FF1067). The three shown were the USS Harold E. Holt, USS Quellett (spelling?) and USS Rathburne. Look at the bows and the superstructure. Notice on the superstructure how the "mast" and the "stack" are one? It was called the "mack". Look at the rake of the bows on the three of them. No ship during WWII had a bow rake like that, cept maybe PT's. The shots of the Missouri are some of the biggest BS shots! The "MO" was not even involved in the war until, if think, 1944 (my father was the head foreman of the crew that built the magazine and gun mount support structures on the "Mo"). Oh well. As a side note, the Navy is still trying to get about 200,000 bucks from Dizzy Disney for damage that was done to the inactive ships (the frigates) that were used.As of this date, nothing. I was able to meet that faggot Alex Baldwin and I told that puke to his face he was an anti-gun scumbag and he had no right to wear any uniform representing the U.S. Needless to day, I was escorted out of there real quick but not before I flipped him the bird rite in his fat ass face! Man did I feel good! HAHAHAHAHAHAH! [peep]
Link Posted: 12/7/2001 8:37:43 AM EDT
My hat goes off to the effects people (the ripple effect on the Arizona) but the movie blew chunks big time. My gripe (besides a stupid story) is the use of B-25's "J" models instead of "C" models. I'm sure Jimmy Doolittle is turning in his grave being portrayed by Alec Baldwin. I thought Ed Harris would have been a much better choice as Doolittle but it wouldn't have saved this lame film. Hey...it's the pilot in me.
Link Posted: 12/7/2001 8:58:50 AM EDT
I saw the movie, and though I thought it was too long, and the whole love story was boring (even though the chick is a HOTTIE), I thought the movie was pretty good. The effects were great. When the Arizona was hit, the explosion was amazing... if you watch the documentary, they say it touched off about a million pounds of gunpowder... that's one huge bang! I have to say that I give my thanks to all the veterans who fought in WWII today, and remember the ones that didn't make it home. God Bless our veterans!
Link Posted: 12/7/2001 9:22:53 AM EDT
I'd personally like to thank my brethren here at AR15.com for sparing me from this movie. I thought it looked pretty good in the previews, but after reading reviews here and talking to acquaintances who did see it, it wasn't difficult coming to the conclusion that I would have been utterly disappointed had I wasted my money on it. Maybe if a I get free rental or borow it from someone I'll check out the DVD just to see what the stink is all about. As it is, rather than spend money to see Pearl Harbor, I bought the Tora, Tora, Tora DVD. Lastly, I think it's rather offensive that the movie Pearl Harbor is now being marketed as some sort of commemorative of the 60th anniversery of the actual attack.
Link Posted: 12/7/2001 9:28:22 AM EDT
It sucked. I'm glad there are others out there that see through the flashy action. Lots of people agreed that the action was unrealistic, but it amazes me how many of my friends (even my mom [:(]) enjoyed the love story. I thought the girl in the story was a whore and the guy who got her pregnant was the worst friend you could ever want. What a bastard. JMFO Shawn
Link Posted: 12/7/2001 9:34:07 AM EDT
Can't say it better. It sucked. What a huge waste of great potential. I'm only surprised that they didn't somehow try to justify the attack from the Japanese point of view.
Link Posted: 12/7/2001 9:37:45 AM EDT
the only way to watch peal harbor is to put in the disk that has the bomb run then watch that one part put disk away then retru nto vidoe store and demand another movie becouse this one sucked to much
Link Posted: 12/7/2001 9:38:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Sukebe: I'm only surprised that they didn't somehow try to justify the attack from the Japanese point of view.
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seems like I recall reading some reviews claiming that the producers actually DID re-edit the movie so as not be too offensive to Japanese audiences. What a crock. By the way, have they ever officially, genuinely apologized for attacking us?
Link Posted: 12/7/2001 9:54:50 AM EDT
Man those Zero's looked like Tie Fighters barreling down through those ships. It doesn't take a genius to see that. It really stinks when you think how good of a movie this could have been and then see how they really screwed it up. I think they need to remake the Final Countdown but this time let us take care of them Jap bastards. Just for Fun
Link Posted: 12/7/2001 10:46:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By progun: I was able to meet that faggot Alex Baldwin and I told that puke to his face he was an anti-gun scumbag and he had no right to wear any uniform representing the U.S. Needless to day, I was escorted out of there real quick but not before I flipped him the bird rite in his fat ass face! Man did I feel good! HAHAHAHAHAHAH! [peep]
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COOL! OT: Massad Ayoob in the current issue of American Handgunner wrote that a few Japanese planes were shot from small arms fire. Has anyone wondered why the Japanese never invaded the U.S. mainland? In the article, the reply was that the Japanese were shocked that ordinary civilians have were having marksmanship competition. And them it was not going to be an easy feat, like in China defeating a total disarmed civilian population
Link Posted: 12/7/2001 11:24:05 AM EDT
As a pilot I really like it and will be buying a copy today. It is fantasy. Period. I take it as fantasy. I rarely see a whole movie that I like. Saving Private Ryan was good even though the planes at the end were P-51s instead of the correct P47s. Danson as a good commander, hah. Somebody name a movie that is not a compromise. The P-40s used in the movie are stationed 350 yards away from where I am typing this. They fly in good weather. I was on the taxi-way when they returned from SanDiego. What a feeling! We have some rocky canyons around here that we fly crazy through for fun. Otherwise all we can do is dream. Aviation in wartime will never be like it was then. Planerench out. P.S. the story for the most part did suck.
Link Posted: 12/7/2001 11:30:20 AM EDT
progun. You're a hero! [:D]
Link Posted: 12/7/2001 1:20:23 PM EDT
I was disappointed too. Some other errors; they used a P-40N to make the mold for the fiberglass replicas which were blown up on the ground during the attack. If you are an airplane buff, this sticks out like a sore thumb, since the canopy is completely different and the fuselage is longer than the correct P-40B model. At least Tora, Tora, Tora! used a P-40E for their mold which at least gave the proper canopy configuration and fuselage length. What gets me about this is if you are going to have to make a full scale mould anyway, WHY NOT AT LEAST GET THE RIGHT MODEL TO COPY! Just laziness or what? You wonder where the technical consultants were when this was set up. This erks me more than the B-25J's being used for B-25B's. This movie could be picked apart for days. Another glitch was the twin 20mm mount used by Cuba Gooding Jr., a weapon combo that did not even exist until much later in the war. If you watch Tora, you will see the same event depicted correctly with a water-cooled .50 caliber MG. I could go on, but it makes my stomach hurt to think about it anymore. If you want to see the real story, a lot more accurately staged, get a copy of Tora, Tora, Tora!.
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