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Posted: 12/4/2001 8:12:21 PM EDT
Don't forget this is a commercial enterprise. Goatboy is PAID MONEY by advertisers to keep this site up. You don't make it easy on him when you break his rules. They are HIS RULES. I have run many forum sites for commercial publications. I do right now. He is more than lenient with the members and it is a serious job to balance member gripes and wants with advertiser gripes and wants. You agreed to specific things when you joined as a member. This site and servers are the property of Goatboy... no matter how bad you don't like it. If you don't like the fact that you can't post porn to this bulletin board, then post to a porn forum. If you don't know where one is at then email me and I will direct you to one. If you don't like the fact that he limits topics threads, then you should post the same topic on multiple gun boards and stay busy that way. My .02 worth. Keep up the work GB cuz there are more here that agree with you.
Link Posted: 12/4/2001 8:29:16 PM EDT
Nothing screams "Hey respect me!" than something coming from a guy named BenDover.
Link Posted: 12/4/2001 8:31:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 1GUNRUNNER: Nothing screams "Hey respect me!" than something coming from a guy named BenDover.
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[:D]
Link Posted: 12/4/2001 8:31:12 PM EDT
Apparently you have never seen the movie Fletch. That's an ad hominim argument to what I stated. Next.
Link Posted: 12/4/2001 8:39:41 PM EDT
[rolleyes]
Link Posted: 12/4/2001 8:42:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BenDover: ...That's an ad hominim argument to what I stated.
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Who are you calling a homo!?!?
Link Posted: 12/4/2001 8:43:42 PM EDT
GoatBoy also isn't helping himself by pissing off some of these biggest members on this sote. He is driving away members and thereby decreasing the number of people that see the ads, thereby decreasing revenue.
Link Posted: 12/4/2001 8:45:22 PM EDT
Ben, I am very sorry if I tend to question your motives with what you have to say. I do not mean to be, but I have seen someone post something like this and the next thing we know,.....Whooooosh! he became a moderator! Most of the guys know who I am referring to but for the sake of harmony here, I will not mention his handle. Even if you make sense, honestly now, tell us, do you want to be a moderator too?? Do you think that posting the above will get you the appointment?? No flames intended, it is just that after all the BS around here, I strongly feel that some moderators are more of a liability than an asset to this site. I have been with this site for a very long time now and I hate to see it go down the drain because of kiss-ass, power-drunk moderators.
Link Posted: 12/4/2001 8:54:49 PM EDT
Speaking of ass-kissing, you should have seen Ben in chat tonight! Sorry Ben, couldn't resist!
Link Posted: 12/4/2001 8:57:58 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/4/2001 9:02:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/4/2001 9:02:08 PM EDT by BenDover]
Guys, I am not interested in becoming a moderator. I can guarantee you that I will NEVER become a moderator here. But as a .com guy with businesses of my own I have enough to manage. Because of that I also know what GB is dealing with... empathy. Thanks for your nomination though. Makes me feel good that you are thinking of me. [-!-!-] edited to add THIS: [url]http://www.ar15.com/help/policy.html[/url] Now get a life.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 3:12:24 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Paul:
Originally Posted By riddler: ---snip--- Most of the guys know who I am referring to but for the sake of harmony here, I will not mention his handle. ---snip---
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Is it me? Is it me?
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Paul, You are okay in my books. 99.9% of those named Paul are very prudent, easy-to get-along-with and most of all trustworthy. yours truly included. [;)] [;)] [;)]
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 3:23:28 AM EDT
[b]Goatboy:[/b] Do you think you can make an animated "man kissing ass" icon for us? Sometimes we really need one. -kid
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 3:45:11 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Paul:
Originally Posted By riddler: ---snip--- Most of the guys know who I am referring to but for the sake of harmony here, I will not mention his handle. ---snip---
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Is it me? Is it me?
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I think he is talking about Imbro...somethingorother. But, isn't that you anyway? [IMG]http://www.freakygamers.com/smilies/s/contrib/aahmed/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 4:00:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By a3kid: [b]Goatboy:[/b] Do you think you can make an animated "man kissing ass" icon for us? Sometimes we really need one. -kid
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LOL, what a great way to start a beautiful day! (I can't stand arsekissers)
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 4:10:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf:
Originally Posted By a3kid: [b]Goatboy:[/b] Do you think you can make an animated "man kissing ass" icon for us? Sometimes we really need one. -kid
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LOL, what a great way to start a beautiful day! (I can't stand arsekissers)
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I've had a scuffle or two with GB myself, and after discussing things offline I gained a deep respect for him. Respecting the forum rules of conduct (which, incidentally are [b]NOT[/b] of his making - just his [b]DUTY[/b] to enforce) alone are sufficient praise for his efforts. From what I know of him he [b]AIN'T[/b] fond of ass-kissers. Honor, respect, patriotism, conducting yourself as a man - that's where it's at. (Isn't that how we all learn to respect others?)
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 4:23:30 AM EDT
Just because I offered to help the guy out as a programmer I am now an ass kisser. I simply told him that if he ever needed development help with the site to let me know. That was it. Now because of that statement some of you freaks have been led to believe that I am an ass kisser. Fuck you.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 4:26:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By BenDover: Now because of that statement some of you freaks have been led to believe that I am an ass kisser. Fuck you.
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Well, yeah but how do you really feel? You shouldn't repress your emotions, it's bad for your health. Causes depression, headaches, high blood pressure, constipation, insomnia etc.... [:D]
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 4:48:43 AM EDT
Originally Posted By BenDover: Just because I offered to help the guy out as a programmer I am now an ass kisser. I simply told him that if he ever needed development help with the site to let me know. That was it. Now because of that statement some of you freaks have been led to believe that I am an ass kisser. Fuck you.
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Lighten up. Can't take a little ribbing?
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 4:51:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/5/2001 4:44:11 AM EDT by BenDover]
Originally Posted By FALARAK:
Originally Posted By BenDover: Just because I offered to help the guy out as a programmer I am now an ass kisser. I simply told him that if he ever needed development help with the site to let me know. That was it. Now because of that statement some of you freaks have been led to believe that I am an ass kisser. Fuck you.
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Lighten up. Can't take a little ribbing?
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No. Not before coffee and a smoke. Now that I have been properly medicated with legal stimulants I can take on Yassir Arafat. And YOU... and YOU FALARAK.... YOU ARE THE ONE WHO CAUSED THIS SHAME FOR ME!!!
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 4:58:33 AM EDT
Originally Posted By BenDover:
Originally Posted By FALARAK: Lighten up. Can't take a little ribbing?
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No. Not before coffee and a smoke. Now that I have been properly medicated with legal stimulants I can take on Yassir Arafat. And YOU... and YOU FALARAK.... YOU ARE THE ONE WHO CAUSED THIS SHAME FOR ME!!!
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Damn Ben - [b]ALWAYS[/b] have your coffee and smoke before you log on here. You'll get your a$$ shot down in flames while you're still rubbing the sleep out of your eyes! [:D]
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 4:58:47 AM EDT
How did I "cause this shame" ??? I was just kiiding around. Thought it was funny, the chat room reminded me of the cartoon, of the little hyper dog, running circles around the pig old bulldog, saying "Hey Spike!, we gonna catch a cat, Spike? Are we? Are we? Are we gonna catch a cat, Spike" Your offer to help is commendable. Just looked like some serious ass kising after this post.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 5:30:20 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 5:51:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By FALARAK: How did I "cause this shame" ??? I was just kiiding around. Thought it was funny, the chat room reminded me of the cartoon, of the little hyper dog, running circles around the pig old bulldog, saying "Hey Spike!, we gonna catch a cat, Spike? Are we? Are we? Are we gonna catch a cat, Spike" Your offer to help is commendable. Just looked like some serious ass kising after this post.
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BLAH! [argue] We cool man. It was funny until some of the other cast of Hanna Barbara who wasn't involved jumped in. You leave a mistaken impression with someone and it quickly becomes fact. I still hold my original position that I do about this being GBs business. Servers and pipe to support a site like this are not cheap. I know because I do the same thing. StyerAug was/is a great guy. I dug his posts and thought he was really entertaining. AND he didn't get banned for the locked BOTD thread. He got banned because of his public attack on the moderator with the subject line 'Who the fuck is BigPig' People get these issues screwed up and twisted because they want to invent their own versions of reality. I have never once had a problem with any of the mods because I have respect for the community as a whole. I have ne need to defend posts containing risque material or scat porn.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 5:55:53 AM EDT
Ironically, a couple months ago, this same thing took place between SteyrAug and a Staff member ([i] me [/i]). SA flipped out about a discussion on CHAT, came over here spouting off about it, erased all of his posts, and said he was leaving... Because of all of the crap, I stepped down and don't regret it for a minute, but suddenly he geared up and the BOTD threads became more frequent and pushed the limits 10 fold. This is a firearms site, and it needs to be treated as such! Frankly, SA rarely if ever posted anything of substance, and if he takes a bunch of his followers along with him, we would all be better off for it! We have had this type of "split" happen twice before, and both of the offshoot boards have pretty much suffered a painful death.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 6:41:04 AM EDT
Originally Posted By BenDover: It was funny until some of the other cast of Hanna Barbara who wasn't involved jumped in.
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[peep] [:D]
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 6:56:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By antiUSSA: This is a firearms site, and it needs to be treated as such!
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Technically, it is an AR15 site. Not firearms. [;)] GD is for General Discussion of everything. Taxes, Work, What you did this weekend, the chick / guy you nailed last night etc. GFD is for the firearm discussions.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 6:56:42 AM EDT
Yes, the more things change the more they stay the same. This "moderator" issue comes up every so often- it's just human nature to keep pushing the limits, for some. Frankly, I'd have either shut it down a long time ago, or gone to HEAVY moderation to set a more mature tone. But then, I'm not in charge, am I? [:D]
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 6:58:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By cc48510: GoatBoy also isn't helping himself by pissing off some of these biggest members on this sote. He is driving away members and thereby decreasing the number of people that see the ads, thereby decreasing revenue.
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Biggest (?) does not mean quality or that lots will leave due to their violations of the forum rules. And at the same time he may be attracting more members who will more than offset any loss. Keep in mind that many don't post or participate for fear of being ridiculed by some of the "biggest". Oh & BenDover, the rules apply to you also, the profanity/insult doesn't really give your point any more emphasis, just makes you look foolish ranting about the rules and breaking them at the same time.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 7:15:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/5/2001 7:08:16 AM EDT by BenDover]
Originally Posted By Grin_N_Barrett:
Originally Posted By cc48510: GoatBoy also isn't helping himself by pissing off some of these biggest members on this sote. He is driving away members and thereby decreasing the number of people that see the ads, thereby decreasing revenue.
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Biggest (?) does not mean quality or that lots will leave due to their violations of the forum rules. And at the same time he may be attracting more members who will more than offset any loss. Keep in mind that many don't post or participate for fear of being ridiculed by some of the "biggest". Oh & BenDover, the rules apply to you also, the profanity/insult doesn't really give your point any more emphasis, just makes you look foolish ranting about the rules and breaking them at the same time.
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Well sorry man. You are free to complain to a mod and they can edit my post. I guarantee you that I wont get pissed if they do because that is their job and I willfully used a 'naughty word'. And there is a big difference in my bad word buried in a thread and one in the subject line or porn pics.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 7:20:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By BenDover: Don't forget this is a commercial enterprise. Goatboy is PAID MONEY by advertisers to keep this site up.
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Don't some members also pay? Which is a greater source of revenue, advertising or membership?
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 7:41:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By jvic: Don't some members also pay? Which is a greater source of revenue, advertising or membership?
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Out of nearly 16,000 members, roughly 150 have paid... Oh, and the "biggest" member ([i]SA[/i]) isn't one of them!
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 7:45:22 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 7:49:20 AM EDT
I must be going to the wrong part of AR15.com as I've never heard of "bend-over." [:D]
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 8:34:21 AM EDT
Publish the TOS and then enforce them. But dont make the rules up as you go along.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 8:46:18 AM EDT
Originally Posted By AR15fan: Publish the TOS and then enforce them. But dont make the rules up as you go along.
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That would be the "FORUMS CONDUCT CODE" published at the top of the GD page - if you've somehow missed it, try there: [url]http://ar15.com/forums/announcement.html?id=25[/url] And just as in your business, there is likely to be some selective enforcement or application of the code. [:)]
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 9:00:10 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 9:03:55 AM EDT
So I should take this as a [b]NO, kid[/b] on my icon request? [:D]
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 9:17:27 AM EDT
Is anybody else a little concerned about all this talk of kissing of the behind? If you're not concerned, then please click here: [url]http://www.lpconnect.com/pb2/chips.jpg[/url] ...*runs away really fast*...
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 12:10:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/5/2001 12:02:16 PM EDT by cc48510]
Well, not quite an icon, but: [img]http://home.noreno.org:800/kissass.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 5:41:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By GoatBoy: Lets try to remain civil, even in our jokes and reactions.
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Why? That takes ALL the fun out of it. FLAMES, FLAMES, counter-Flames, Counter-counter-Flames = Good times for everyone....
I can assure everyone here that no Moderator or Staff member has been promoted for "kissing ass." (Perhaps some tongue might change that, but that's another story! [}=D])
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Well that shoots my PLAN right in the HEAD. I even had a 'Goat' nick as an added touch... :( Oh well, maybe I can be a Mod at Lordtrader.com? TheRedGoat/Baphomet
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 6:10:30 PM EDT
I pretty much agree. It's GB's site, and his rules. On the other hand, SA was a great poster and I don't think he should have gotten banned.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 6:25:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BenDover: Fuck you.
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Better be careful. That sounded alot like the kind of "personal attack" that could get a member banned.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 6:38:31 PM EDT
Damn! One night away, and I miss all the fun stuff. Oh well, evidently this is old news. Case Closed.
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