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Posted: 10/30/2001 6:14:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/30/2001 6:12:06 AM EDT by realist]
[IMG]http://www.ar15.com/adManager/images/wolf223.gif[/IMG] Why are we advertising Wolf ammo???? Why would we advertise wolf ammo at the top when I learned from day one about all the problems AR15 owners have when chambering... it's because of this forum I don't buy Wolf Ammo.... I think it's rather strange to see it advertised... if I were a newbie, I would be compelled to buy the ammo first chance I got because my trusted board seems to advocate the use of it.... What's up GoatBoy! Are you chambering these pretty green lacquered rounds through your AR15's ? How many of the boards staff admits to using these precious rounds.... [rolleyes] Yeah I know, the board is making money from them.... So I guess If anti gun organizations wanted to pay for their ad on the board we'd have to see that crap too, huh? [rolleyes] Realist out
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 6:18:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/30/2001 6:12:59 AM EDT by thebeekeeper1]
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 6:18:13 AM EDT
Realist, This forum doesn't get much in the way of donations, so ads fund this place. Welcome to the Internet. Ice
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 6:20:15 AM EDT
Wolf ammo works great in some AR15s and great in alot of other rifles. Its not like poeple [i]ONLY OWN AR15 TYPE RIFLES!!!![/i]. I mean damn!! Since when is capitalism bad?? Sgtar15 [img]http://imagem.webphotos.iwon.com/1000017294/1000017294_1030200131206AM0.8566553.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 6:22:05 AM EDT
Try it first. Then trash it. Most people use it with no problems. Most people who trash it have never used it. Then again, there's never been a shortage of profound gun/ammo advice from people with no hands on experience concerning the items they are advocating/trashing..
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 6:23:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/30/2001 6:17:30 AM EDT by a3kid]
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1: Maybe it's because there are too many "members" who bitch a lot but don't bother to contribute the $60.00 to become Team Members and help support the site. Just a thought. Edited to correct spelling.
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Feeling a little smug today, Bkpr??? [:D]
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 6:26:05 AM EDT
Originally Posted By sgtar15: Wolf ammo works great in some AR15s and great in alot of other rifles. Its not like poeple [i]ONLY OWN AR15 TYPE RIFLES!!!![/i]. I mean damn!! Since when is capitalism bad?? Sgtar15
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Last I looked, this board isn't called "other rifles.com" So Sarge... how much wolf ammo do you chance through your ar15's?
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 6:33:11 AM EDT
None...But atleast 5000 rnds thru my SKS and AK. I only use handloads thru mt target BullBarrel, but when I had a standard 16" barrel I used alot of it and never had a problem. Like theguy said..try it first Sgtar15 [img]http://imagem.webphotos.iwon.com/1000017294/1000017294_1030200131206AM0.8566553.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 6:37:27 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 6:37:38 AM EDT
Originally Posted By realist: So Sarge... how much wolf ammo do you chance through your ar15's?
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I don't know about SgtAR15, but I agree 100% with Major-Murphy; try it before you trash it. I've had absolutely no problems with Wolf and Barnaul ...and I've put several thousand rounds through a short barreled (11.5") M16, mostly in full auto.
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 6:42:35 AM EDT
Why not? Why not let someone advertise? I mean hell, they let RGUNS advertise here. It's a free country. Ads help pay for the site. Besides, there are TONS of users here who use Wolf ammo, love it.... dont have any problem with it. I use it... but just for blasting ammo... nothing more. After using it in 4 rifles now of different manufacture, including 2 tight chambered Oly's... and NEVER having a single failure of any kind, I think the majority of people who dont like it are biased from the negative posts they read, and have never tried it. Like I said, it's cheap, RELIABLE, blasting ammo. Advertise away.
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 6:43:37 AM EDT
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Originally Posted By a3kid: Feeling a little smug today, Bkpr??? [:D]
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Yeah, I guess so. [BD] I get a little peeved when reading stuff like Realist's last sentence. It sounds like a flat-out attack on GB as if something evil has been perpetrated. Our hosts spend a great deal of time/money to provide this place, so I wish there was a little more gratitude shown, and less bitching, that's all. I am loyal as an old dog, so am quick to bristle when a perceived attack shows itself. [:D]
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Bee man... I am as Loyal to this board as one can get... flat out attack on Goatboy? LMAO... not at all.. Just pointing out the obvious... [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 6:46:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/30/2001 6:50:56 AM EDT by brouhaha]
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 6:50:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By sgtar15: None...But atleast 5000 rnds thru my SKS and AK. I only use handloads thru mt target BullBarrel, but when I had a standard 16" barrel I used alot of it and never had a problem. Like theguy said..try it first Sgtar15 [img]http://imagem.webphotos.iwon.com/1000017294/1000017294_1030200131206AM0.8566553.jpg[/img]
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I dont own AK's... I owns AR's... so why don't you try it in your AR's? Try it first??? No thanks !!!! [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 6:55:24 AM EDT
I have shot 1500 rounds of it. I have not had the first problem. It has been used in 5 different AR's with barrels of different MFG without a hitch. It is not the most accurate ammo I have used, but it works. There are other Russian brands that may be giving Wolf a bad name. YMMV
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 6:55:31 AM EDT
The Wolf .22 LR is good stuff. [^] I just wish I'd bought more at Camp Perry. [>(]
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 6:56:56 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 7:07:42 AM EDT
It is easy to lose the intended meaning when reading the written word. Voice inflection adds much to conversation, and that is lost here. If I put more, or a different, meaning to your words, I am sorry. I would be just as quick to jump to your defense!! Like I said, loyal . . . LOL
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Bee man... no problem, I can see where one may have taken it wrong.. I just feel as far as AR15's are concerned that Wolf is Crap... Just like anti gun organizations I care way to much for my weapons to chamber crap through them... I don't chamber reloads either..! [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 7:09:14 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/30/2001 7:19:23 AM EDT
...and yet you aren't buying or stocking Wolf any more Forest.......
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 7:20:17 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 7:24:26 AM EDT
I use Wolf ammo in my AR's all the time. Only problem is that if you get your barrel too hot the lacquer coating will start to melt and may cause a failure to extract. Best to bring along your cleaning gear just in case. And my 9mm AR loves it. Feeds better than some more expensive brands. You can't beat the price. When I go to the range it isn't uncommon for me to blow through 1000+ rounds. So for me to be able to blow through 1500+ rounds for the same price works for me. BTW Realist, it's a banner ad. Not a recommendation.
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 7:38:30 AM EDT
[b]Wolf is an overall decent ammo.[/b] For the price you get ammo that goes boom, and I have only seen a failure with it on very hot or very cold days. On hot days with plastic mags, the laquor ammo may stick. On the cold days, it could have been other problems. They use a dirty powder but then it's cleaner than the American ammo in those plastic packs.
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 7:38:54 AM EDT
I've never had a problem with Wolf ammo in any of my AR-15's or M-16's. I run the stuff all the time... no problems. I tell you what, when you're feeding a M16 1000 rounds or more on a Saturday, it sure is nice only paying $100 for the day vs. $150 or more for brass domestic ammo. As for Rguns advertising here... they probably did that on purpose to keep people from complaining about their business practices on this board... since it's against board policy to post negative (regardless of how true they are) comments about an advertiser.
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 7:39:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/30/2001 7:34:53 AM EDT by JTR]
Well, I don't even own an AR (yet) so you prob. don't want me posting anyway. I used 1,750 rnd of wolf in my HK USC, and NEVER had a single problem. Not on FTF, or anything. I I spent MORE then I spent on my 1st case of wolf ($60 for 1k of wolf) on 3 BOXES, 150 rnds, of expensive stuff, and out of the 30 rnds I've fired so far, had 7 FTF's. (all do to ammo, braking). I'm not going to fire the rest of that crap (hell, I figured at that price it'd at least WORK, right). Anyhow, I have been firing S&B mostly, as it's close to Wofl on price, and there is one thing I don't like about wolf: Tha laquer! Like stated above, it'll melt, and it is a PAIN in the arse to clean a ton of laquer out of the magwell, around the chamber and bolt, etc. . .. it get's all over everything while your cleaning it, etc. . . . I just wish they put it in a case that didn't need laquring, or found a solution to the laquer problem. But, I may start muyign it again, as it cost 1/2 of the next cheapest stuff. . .and works. -Justin
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 7:45:18 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 9:16:20 AM EDT
I shoot nothing but brass.....
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 9:33:04 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Gun-fan: I have shot 1500 rounds of it. I have not had the first problem. It has been used in 5 different AR's with barrels of different MFG without a hitch. It is not the most accurate ammo I have used, but it works. There are other Russian brands that may be giving Wolf a bad name. YMMV
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AFAIK, the only other Russian brand is Barnaul. I just ran 250+ rounds of Barnaul 55 grain .223 through my ARs this weekend with about 50 different shooters pulling the trigger. No problems of any sort. If Wolf is as good as Barnaul, it may well be my next bulk purchase.
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 9:42:26 AM EDT
"Are you chambering these pretty green lacquered rounds through your AR15's ? How many of the boards staff admits to using these precious rounds...." i'm "board staff"...and i use wolf. it works flawlessly in my tight chambered armalite ar-15a2 national match. it works fine in my colts. it runs well in my dpms. my legp rra m4 seems to eat it up without a hiccup. i also use a shitload of other russian ammo...ulyanhevsk, barnaul, tula. no problems. russian ammo feeds all my ak's, too.
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 9:44:36 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 9:51:42 AM EDT
look at the spent cases. i have fired thousands of rounds of wolf,.45.9mm,7.62x39,.223, all of the light marks on the cases do not go all the way through the lacquer into the SOFT steel case.
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 10:21:18 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 10:28:42 AM EDT
I have had my AK-47 for quite a while, and Wolf is all I have ever shot through it, never had a jam or misfire!! I admit I have not tried Wolf in my AR's because of bad performance that other members have had.
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 11:14:52 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/30/2001 11:22:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1: I have shot a thousand or so Wolf through an AK and it has been flawless and groups as well as my old, tired eyes can see iron sights--about 1 1/2" @ 100 yds.
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1.5 MOA through an AK, with Wolf??? Yeah, right!
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 11:27:11 AM EDT
Originally Posted By FALARAK: 1.5 MOA through an AK, with Wolf??? Yeah, right!
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What he meant to say was that he fired a 30 round magazine at the target with 3 rounds landing within 1-1/2 inches of each other. The other 27 rounds were called flyers. [:D]
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 11:41:50 AM EDT
There is NO problem with Wolf ammo. If a rifle doesn't work on Wolf, there's likey a problem with the rifle. I note that most all complaints about Russian 223 ammo (Wolf, TCW, Barnaul, etc.) are usu by folks that do NOT have non-milspec chrome-lined barrels/chambers - Olympic Arms, and other 2nd-tier mfgrs using SAAMI chambers. Rarely heard a problem w/"ABC" (Armalite, Bushmaster, Colt) rifles with milspec bbls. Even my old unlined J&T upper has fed hundreds upon hundreds of rounds thru it w/nary a fault in feeding, extraction or ejection. IIRC, Chuck Santose checked the varnish on the cases and found out that it did *not* soften or wear off with heating (he used a blowtorch or something similar). I suspect that this varnish could, in a tight and/or rough (new?) and/or too dirty (i.e, uncleaned for a month w/hardened deposits) chamber impede operation. While accuracy is not quite what other brands are (Fed Amer Eagle, IMI) I do trust it to go "Bang" every time I pull the trigger. The steel case is very mild soft steel; I doubt it wears anything, esp in a chromed chamber/ bore. Even if it did the cost savings are still there: at $50-$100 cheaper than other brands for 1K rounds, one can easily afford a new extractor or even a new barrel with just 2 cases shot! Shoot straight... Bill Wiese San Mateo, CA
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 12:02:53 PM EDT
I have never had one problem with any ammo I've put in my Colt SP1, Wolf .223 included. God Bless Texas
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 12:15:29 PM EDT
wolf ammo works very well in some firearms my bushmaster ar-15 has had 5000+ rounds of wolf through it and i have had very little down time with wolf .for $2 a box ....i say if it hurts my gun the money i saved using wolf i could fix it. [50]
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 12:16:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By bwiese: The steel case is very mild soft steel; I doubt it wears anything, esp in a chromed chamber/ bore. Even if it did the cost savings are still there: at $50-$100 cheaper than other brands for 1K rounds, one can easily afford a new extractor or even a new barrel with just 2 cases shot! Shoot straight... Bill Wiese San Mateo, CA
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Damn good point.
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 12:23:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 1:02:05 PM EDT
Bulgarian SLR-95, I will send example targets if you wish. Deer season is coming up shortly so I won't be bench shooting for several weeks, but if you wish to "call me out" I will gladly send examples.
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Hmmm... giving props to the SLR-95, it does have a very good reputation. Even then, I have a hard time believing that this rifle can produce 1.5" groups even with match handloads. Especially, since we are talking a 7.62x39 load. That's 3 or 5 shot groups, reliably averaging 1.5" center to center at 100yds. Not buying it. Especially with the crappy iron sights on an AK. Especially since you are shooting Wolf, which is not the best quality bullet... nowhere near match standards. Especially since they (Wolf) do not regulate the powder charges very well.. proven by taking apart cartridges and measuring. Personally, I have READ about 2MOA AK's, and those are a rarity. In the 7.62x39 genre, 3MOA is good, and 4MOA is closer to the average. If we were talking 5.45x39... then yes, I could buy that, especially scoped.
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 1:44:38 PM EDT
I shoot Wolf out of my Oly Arms Plinker, with never a hiccup... Don't know what all the fuss is about...
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 1:50:48 PM EDT
[img]http://www.the-movie-times.com/pictdir/actors/gallery/jnicholson/jnicholson8.jpg[/img] Sell crazy somewhere else, we`re all stocked up here.
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 1:54:02 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 2:03:38 PM EDT
I never had a problem with WOLF ammo - for the price, I think it's great. Just my .223
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 2:48:16 PM EDT
I only tried 1000 rounds of it. I got failures to extract from the laqure melting in the chamber. I dont like having to use a chamber brush every couple hundred rounds at the range. So i dont buy Wolf ammo anymore. A shooting buddy tried a case too. He had the exact same problems with his Colt M4 clone and FNC that I had with my Sporters. Wolf exchanged the ammo for him and even gave him a free hat, but that doesnt make up for the ruined range trip.
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 4:29:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By goneshootin: I shoot nothing but brass.....
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Soooo .... You have no idea if the Wolf works or not. Right?
Link Posted: 10/30/2001 4:48:21 PM EDT
Well, this seems pretty self explanatory. I can't believe it warrented a post at all. 1. This site takes money to run. Advertisers help pay for it, so those of us who aren't paying members can enjoy it for free. Why turn down somebody who wants to pay to advertise? Not good business sense. 2. Not everybody just has AR's. 3. Not everybody has problems with Wolf ammo in their AR's. I have had problems with it in my Bushmaster, and therefore don't use it in my AR's. However, my AK's love it, so I use Wolf ammo in them.
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