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Posted: 10/19/2001 6:19:31 PM EDT
What are some opinions the on best .223 ammo to use for interior defense....Like as in buildings. Thanks in advance medcop
Link Posted: 10/19/2001 6:21:35 PM EDT
LEO's around here ususally use a 55gr. HP from federal. i just use ball M193.
Link Posted: 10/19/2001 6:22:08 PM EDT
I use TAPs in my AR. I live in a concrete cave. I wished that this state would allow frangeable bullets.
Link Posted: 10/19/2001 6:42:09 PM EDT
I am a LEO...I should have said this before...so, I can use about anything. Well, my department won't let me use FMJ for the primary mag...they will allow it for a backup mag...so, with this info...what is the best to use? I want something that will expand nicely and basically....stop the fight! without over penetration. thanks, medcop
Link Posted: 10/19/2001 6:46:04 PM EDT
Would Nosler 40-gr. Ballistic tips/Varmint rounds suffice? There are more than a few lighter weight HP's or plastic tip bullets to consider. You've asked a great question.
Link Posted: 10/19/2001 6:49:49 PM EDT
M193
Link Posted: 10/19/2001 6:58:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BusMaster007: Would Nosler 40-gr. Ballistic tips/Varmint rounds suffice?
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WEll..not sure what would..that is why I am asking....I use the ballistic tip in my 30-06 for deer hunting...I assume they would work for people hunting in .223 any more info would be great..thanks guys OH...and isn't M193 considered a FMJ? medcop
Link Posted: 10/19/2001 7:24:24 PM EDT
medcop- just checked the bookmarks and found: [url]http://www.aaconsult.com/ammoreview/[/url] [url]http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs3.htm[/url] I posted right away; now I'm going back to look into it, too. Oughtta be something in there re the Topic... Let's see.
Link Posted: 10/19/2001 7:32:24 PM EDT
Yes, M193 is FMJ
Link Posted: 10/19/2001 7:35:34 PM EDT
defense? interior defense? I know it's not .223 but how about a shotgun? or a Tromix Jackhammer?
Link Posted: 10/19/2001 7:43:13 PM EDT
I'd say use some of the UMC 55 grain soft points available at Wal-Mart. While these are a great deer hunting round, they'll also drop a 300 pound gangsta doing a home invasion on your house.
Link Posted: 10/19/2001 8:22:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Waverunner: defense? interior defense? I know it's not .223 but how about a shotgun? or a Tromix Jackhammer?
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Well, I would rather use a shotgun...however, this is for duty use. We can use whatever round we want (not FMJ in primary mag) and wanted to know what people thought was the best.
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 4:18:33 AM EDT
What is the barrel twist ratio on your rifle medcop?
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 11:07:01 AM EDT
barrel twist 1/9 14.5" with perm. Phantom
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 12:14:52 PM EDT
We just switched to the Hornady 55-grain TAP (ballistic tip) from the Federal 55-grain match HP. The Hornady load is noticeably more accurate, and seems to fragment better in test media. It'll still punch clean through a Level II vest, too. Great stuff. Hornady's tests (yes, I know this is the manufacturer testing their own bullets) seem to indicate that the 55- and 40-grain TAP loads break up well in common building materials, more so than softpoints or regular hollowpoints. Our non-scientific tests seem to support this. FWIW.
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 12:23:18 PM EDT
Hey medcop, I hear the Hornady tap round is good, but I have little experience with it(never fired indoors). I would think that at typical .223 velocity, any light weight HP would perform about the same. BTW do you guys requesition new eardrums as needed or order in bulk!! - .223 indoors OUCh!!! Now that's what I call overpressure.[SHOCK]
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 12:25:46 PM EDT
I've heard good things about Hornady's TAP ammo (breaking up on hard surfaces, reduced ricochet risk, ability to defeat soft armor, etc.). I think their heavier loads (75gr?) are in favor with some police departments for being good at target deanimation with the same likelihood of overpenetration as a 9mm or 40S&W because it's still lighter than either of those. Heavier bullets like that generally require a fast barrel (1:7, 1:8) so that can also determine which load you'd use.
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