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Posted: 10/9/2001 5:47:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/10/2001 1:37:13 PM EDT by Morgan-Keegan]
I bought a new SpringField Armory 3rd Gen scope over the weekend through the internet for $499. After reading some of the articles on the sniper sites I've decided to sell the scope to my friend for a $75 profit. He made the offer so I took it and the scope isn't even here yet. I have reconsidered my options now and have decide to now spend another few hundered dollars and get what I want. This is what I have been looking at. NightForce NSX 5.5-22 [$1050] Lepould 6.5-20 Mildot [$750] Lepould MK4 16x [$1150] Of the three I like the NightForce, but the guy at SWFA said it could take 2 months to get one and there was a waiting list. The only thing I'm afraid of when it comes the to the Nforce is its electrical componets inside. Will this scope possibly corode over the future. What do you think I should do? The scope will be going on a Remington 700 PSS 20 incher.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 6:10:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/9/2001 6:08:12 PM EDT by cnatra]
I'm fond of the Leupold Vari-X III's M1's & M3's try [url]www.bearbasin.com[/url] too! Vari-XIII M1 3.5-10X 40mm Matte Dplx (30mm Tube) Vari-XIII M1 3.5-10X 40mm Matte Mil Dot (30mm Tube) Vari-XIII M3 3.5-10X 40mm Matte (Fine Dplx) (30mm Tube) Vari-XIII M3 3.5-10X 40mm Matte Mil Dot (30mm Tube) Vari-XIII 4.5-14X 50mm Matte (Fine Dplx) (30mm Tube) Vari-XIII 4.5-14X 50mm Matte (Std Dplx) (30mm Tube) Vari-XIII 4.5-14X 50mm Matte Mil Dot(30mm Tube) I'm 90% sure these all have side focus in addition to the target turrets/cams
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 6:15:31 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 6:28:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Troy: Assuming this is a .308, you aren't going to need anything over 10X, given that you'd be limited to about 600m of effective range. The 26" barrel would get you out to 800 with the extra velocity, FWIW. Anyway, anything on cnatra's list would work very well. I'd go 3.5x10 M3 myself. -Troy
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Yeah, think the 4.5x14 would be too much plus the 50mm bell on some of those would require taller rings. I've never messed with the M3's & those load (bullet weight I think) specific cams but the turrets on the M1 are sweet. Is your Remington PSS the LTR ?? I have a good friend with an LTR & he mounted a Vari X III 3.5x10 40mm on his with Leupold dual dove-tail low mounts & it fits great.
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Link Posted: 10/9/2001 6:50:31 PM EDT
The rifle is the PSS model and it's in .223. I wanted the .223 because I have about 10 battle packs ready to go. I figure it would be a lot less expensive to shoot than the .308.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 7:03:19 PM EDT
MK, to start with I'm a Leupold fan. I also have a LTR and LOVE it. There's a Leupold Mk4 16x mounted on mine and I wouldn't change it for anything. That being said, the NightForce 5.5-22 is a very nice optic. For all-around use, the power range is a good match for the LTR's capabilities. I personally opted for the HUGE vertical adjustment of the Mk4. It has 150 moa range. I use that. Most folks probably don't. Just remember you can't shoot any better than you can see and you can always turn the power down if you don't need it. And with the NightForce you have two power settings (10x and 20x) where range finding can easily be done. Just my .02. Arock out.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 7:10:54 PM EDT
Morgan, I have all the scopes you mention and they are all fine scopes. A "sniper" scope can mean different things to different people. LEO designated Marksman(PC for sniper) is somewhat different than the military mission profile. FOr a rugged all around scope i prefere the Leupold Mark 4 M3 or Ultra 10X--very good light performance and you can pound nails with it and it won't budge off zero. I like the BDC for quick target aquisition and lack of ambiguity under high pressure situatons,premiere reticle can make a custom cam for your perticular load--sweet.The Marine scope made by Unertl(used to be)or US optics is fine as well but a lot too heavy for most mortals. The NXS is ok but heavy and huge and i do not believe it to be as rugged as either of the above(I use mine alot so time will tell). For the leupold tacticle variable(6.5-20, 30mm tube) i had premiere reticle take off the cheese turrets that come on the scope with the M1 turrets--much much better set up. That's all i know, hope it helps.
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Link Posted: 10/9/2001 7:35:32 PM EDT
... I have been extremely happy with my [b]SpringField Armory 3rd Gen[/b] scope with the .308 bullet drop compensator. For the money she has great light gathering capability and clarity. I too was once concerned about the "bad press" they were receiving but I cannot be critical of her at all after I've put her through the paces.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 7:38:02 PM EDT
Where is the best place to buy the NXS scopes? Does SWFA have the best prices? JLA, what did you have to give for the scope? I saw on SWFA they had a demo NXS 5.5-22 for $899 that was in Mint condition, but it was sold when I called.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 7:41:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/9/2001 7:37:10 PM EDT by rigidrotor_rt]
I have a US Optics SN6 I'll let go for $1500.00 It has the AO and 58mm Objective... Just a thought :-) [url]http://www.usoptics.com/us03026.htm[/url] (edited for link)
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 7:54:21 PM EDT
rig, thanks for the offer, but I want to stay close to a grand. I also think I want the illuminated recticle. Those US Optics are one fine looking scope though.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 7:57:00 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 7:58:47 PM EDT
If I had the money, I would go with the Schimdt & Bender line. The clear view and great light gathering impressed me. Since I do not have that kind of cash right now, I happy with the Leupold line.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 8:04:34 PM EDT
Can someone post a link to some of the "bad press" SA has been getting? I have been trying to decide which illuminated-reticle scope to buy for my .308 LTR, and I was down to the SA and the Leupold M3 3.5-10. But if the SA is deserving of bad press, I'd like to know!
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 8:10:48 PM EDT
Liberty, fo to some of the Sniper sites and see what they have to say about them. One of the guys was a pro sniper and he said that he's never seen anyone with SA scope. I found out they were made by a company from Japan called Hakka. [URL]http://www.hakko-japan.co.jp/optical/japan/item/scope/scope00.htm[/URL]
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 8:19:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/9/2001 8:14:08 PM EDT by Dacon]
Morgan-Keegan, Glad you sold yours so fast. I have a Springfield 1st Generation Government model 7.62mm 4-14X56 brand new in the box that I paid $500+ for and have a hard time to see it for $300. I bought it for my wife's AR15 and she thinks is too big and does not want it. Anybody interested?
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 8:24:22 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 8:28:13 PM EDT
JLA, great deal my friend! The scope alone will cost you $1200.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 10:57:31 PM EDT
At the fun show I got to try out a Schmidt & Bender 3-12x 50mm police/marksman and my god, it had as much fish eye distortion as a Eurolux (Norinco) scope! I thought euro-optics were supposed to be top notch but this thing was really bad. I didn't see how much they wanted for it, but I am sure it was $700+
Link Posted: 10/10/2001 12:40:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Morgan-Keegan: The rifle is the PSS model and it's in .223. I wanted the .223 because I have about 10 battle packs ready to go. I figure it would be a lot less expensive to shoot than the .308.
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So does it have the 20" fluted barrel ??
Link Posted: 10/10/2001 12:43:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Morgan-Keegan: Where is the best place to buy the NXS scopes? Does SWFA have the best prices? JLA, what did you have to give for the scope? I saw on SWFA they had a demo NXS 5.5-22 for $899 that was in Mint condition, but it was sold when I called.
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try [url]www.bearbasin.com[/url]
Link Posted: 10/10/2001 1:42:23 AM EDT
Here's another vote for the Leupold Vari-X III, Have a 4.5x14x40mm bought many years ago (12+) had it upgraded at Leupold w/ turrets and mil-dots and it came back like new (optic wise) and ready for many more years of [b]DEPENDABLE[/b] service. Mike
Link Posted: 10/10/2001 1:42:31 PM EDT
I received the Springfield scope today and let me tell you I WASN'T impressed. When you dialed it up to 14x it was SUPER FUZZY. I called BearBasin about the scope and they were VERY RUDE over the phone when they thought I would be returning the scope. So they just lost a customer and SWFA picked one up. I called SWFA and bought a Swarovski 6-18X 50mm. I hope I'm happy with my new scope. I asked them to compare the Swarovski to the Leupold and he said it was like comparing a Corvette to a Chevette.
Link Posted: 10/10/2001 7:03:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Morgan-Keegan: I received the Springfield scope today and let me tell you I WASN'T impressed. When you dialed it up to 14x it was SUPER FUZZY. I called BearBasin about the scope and they were VERY RUDE over the phone when they thought I would be returning the scope. So they just lost a customer and SWFA picked one up. I called SWFA and bought a Swarovski 6-18X 50mm. I hope I'm happy with my new scope. I asked them to compare the Swarovski to the Leupold and he said it was like comparing a Corvette to a Chevette.
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Sorry to read that about BearBasin. I've had good luck with those guys. I like SWFA too but I often order from BearBasin to save on sales tax since I'm in TX.
Link Posted: 10/10/2001 7:19:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Morgan-Keegan: 50mm. I hope I'm happy with my new scope. I asked them to compare the Swarovski to the Leupold and he said it was like comparing a Corvette to a Chevette.
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or a BMW to a Chevy ? [:)]
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