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Posted: 10/2/2001 4:55:33 PM EDT
I don't know what to make of this- I hope it's not true, what he's saying, but I, too, sure do meet some sheep in my travels... http://www.nypost.com/commentary/5487.htm THE YOUNG AND THE GUTLESS By ROD DREHER ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- October 2, 2001 -- OUR enemies know what they believe. They're willing to kill for it. And, more importantly, they're willing to die for it. Are the young men and women who may be called on to defend our civilization willing to make the same sacrifice? Anecdotal information cannot conclusively answer that question - thank heavens. If liberty had to depend on most of the young people I spoke to in Washington Square Park the other day, we'd all be answering to Osama by Christmas. "I'm not big on war," says Patrick Mulryan, 21, an aspiring actor. "I'm gay, so I'm not big on the military." Well, the Islamic extremists our military are preparing to attack are not big on gays. In Afghanistan, Osama's Taliban supporters execute gays by crushing them under demolished walls. Recent college graduate Philip Rosenbloom, 21, is also unwilling to put his life on the line to defend his country, which he says "to some extent, has been something of a bully." NYU student Jonathan Chen, 20, thinks that war is wrong, wrong, wrong. But as for terrorists, Chen insists that "we have to take care of them." "We," but not "he"? Does Chen mean that other men have to be willing to die to protect his freedom? Yes. Some people are born for that purpose, he says. "There are people who are more willing to fight, who have the mindset of killing people," Chen says. "Not everybody is meant to fight." Chen has "hopes and dreams" of becoming a filmmaker, and he doesn't want to "endanger" them, he says. Presumably, those brave firefighters who went to their deaths in those burning towers to save the lives of strangers had no hopes and dreams worthy of concern. Perhaps, men and women who are willing to die to defend Chen's right to pursue his hopes and dreams have none themselves.
Link Posted: 10/2/2001 4:56:33 PM EDT
NYU student Justin Tables, 19, saw one of the towers collapse in front of his eyes. Still, he is unwilling to risk his life to fight the terrorists because "this is all [America's] fault anyway." Jason Toledo, 19, is the only draft-age man I can find who would be willing to die for his country in the coming war. He says he's not enthusiastic about fighting, but he would go if America called. Toledo, an NYU student from Atlanta, says he's wondered a lot if Americans have the backbone to fight such a dedicated enemy. The terrorist-themed Bruce Willis film "The Siege" has been on his mind. "There's a saying in that movie that the most committed wins. That's scary, because we're not about causes here. We're about individualism," he says. Toledo cautions me not to take the young men in Washington Square as representative of the whole country. "Man, we're in the Village. I don't know anyone who would go, even if there were a draft," he says. Still, you have to figure that you could have gone into Washington Square Park in December 1941 and found plenty of liberal young men who were willing to go fight Tojo and Hitler, neither of whom had done what Osama bin Laden did: mount a sneak attack that murdered more than 6,000 in New York, live on TV. That was then. This is now. Maybe the Muslim fanatics are right, and we in the free world have become decadent beyond all saving. God help us. We may soon see. e-mail: dreher@nypost.com
Link Posted: 10/2/2001 5:04:47 PM EDT
In other words, "I hate America and all it stands for, but someone else must protect my right to be a rich movie making faggot actor." Disgusting. Eddie
Link Posted: 10/2/2001 5:10:14 PM EDT
I want free speech freedom to practice my own sexuality free drugs for seniors a welfare program that helps people to be able afford all the trash rock i want on a StarBucks barista wage ...but I don't think I can go to war to protect it. Grrrrrrrr. Zaz
Link Posted: 10/2/2001 5:19:34 PM EDT
95th foot, I am formerly 95th(training). I think if this interveiw were done in some other part of the country say in the midwest or the south or about anywhere away from a major university or large population center the result would be a little different. I too wonder about the patriotism of some of our youth but I pray that if the need should arise they will answer the call. If not I'm afraid that what the rest of us are willing to fight and die for is already lost.
Link Posted: 10/2/2001 6:19:05 PM EDT
I wish they'd interview me. "Nuke them, then give me an M4A1 with some SS109, and Ill finish off the mutated babies"
Link Posted: 10/2/2001 6:50:52 PM EDT
A terrific example of the "feminism of America". Luckily, inner-city socialists are not necessarily the future of our country. Ask passing young men in downtown Po-dunk NH where I live the same questions and you'll get a completely different set of answers. Up here, when we hang an American Flag on our car antenna, it's there because it means something, not because it's trendy. Jay - Liberals are stupid.
Link Posted: 10/2/2001 7:00:04 PM EDT
And these fu*kers drive elections in states like Kali, NY, etc... I, too, have hopes and dreams-for when I retire from the Army in many years. I also know that being Infantry, there is a good chance that my wife will have to realize them without me, early, with the meager life insurance payoff. Makes me want to projectile vomit in their faces shortly before fixing bayonets! Don (back to the Eighty-Deuce) Carter
Link Posted: 10/2/2001 7:09:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 03shooter: 95th foot, I am formerly 95th(training). I think if this interveiw were done in some other part of the country say in the midwest or the south or about anywhere away from a major university or large population center the result would be a little different. I too wonder about the patriotism of some of our youth but I pray that if the need should arise they will answer the call. If not I'm afraid that what the rest of us are willing to fight and die for is already lost.
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The sad point of the editorial is the unspoken one- this is in the very city targeted by the mass murderers. Greenwich Village is not very far away at all! One would think that those most affected by the massacre would be the ones who would want to stamp out those behind the whole thing. But noooooo....... "Give Me My Beautiful Career- Or Give Me Death...." A friend of mine came back from helping out as a volunteer in NYC, somewhere near the WTC site. He is very angry, even more so than before he went down- wants to quit his Ph. D. program and "do something" about the terrorists. I am reminded that draft riots occurred in 1863 in NYC. I wonder if they'll happen there again?
Link Posted: 10/2/2001 9:28:11 PM EDT
These fine young Schumers and Feinsteins will be in Congress and the Bureaucracy soon and they will be calling the shots while you struggle to pay your bills and pay their salaries as well. LOL That is of course only if others - you - succeed in defeating the bin Ladin military organization. LOL As a side note, this article is a transparent attempt to rabble rouse as anyone who "gets out much" knows that New York City, like all USA cities, is populated by aggressive, violent people that are only occasionally not aggresive and violent. The author was probably fearful for his health to go to the Bronx or Harlem. Even Clinton with his secret service escort rarely goes to Harlem even though he has an office and staff provided by you. LOL War: Let's you and you go to another continent to kill and be killed for my selfish economic interest, while I screw your girl friends and I get rich. NOT LOL.
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