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Posted: 10/2/2001 3:18:03 PM EDT
I was talking to a coworker about this past weeks show and he couldn't understand why towards the end the US soldiers were shooting at the retreating Germans. I explained that they were only temporarily retreating, that most likely the soldiers that retreat here today will be dug in down the road tomorrow. Also, asked him if he noticed if the Germans were throwing their rifles down? No They weren't giving up and going home! What do you think?
Link Posted: 10/2/2001 3:28:18 PM EDT
I know a guy whose cousin worked on the production staff of Band of Brothers. He told me a big spoiler that happens at the end of the series. If you don't want to know it skip over my message. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Ok, the guy told me that THE GERMANS LOSE THE WAR.
Link Posted: 10/2/2001 3:46:25 PM EDT
Hey Imbroglio thanks for spoiling the ending for us!!!! Man I can't belive that kind of info could get out to the public. The guy your cousin knows is gonna be in big trouble if they find out it was him. LOL
Link Posted: 10/2/2001 4:38:42 PM EDT
There's a big difference between retreating and surrendering. Those that were shot in the back during last episode were trying to fall back behind the dike so they could continue to fight. They were also Waffen SS, Nazi Germany's equivalent of special forces. Those were soldiers that you didn't want coming back to fight another day. There were a couple of scenes where some Germans tried to surrender but got shot instead. This happened in the heat of battle where everyone was fair game. When there are bullets flying, mortars dropping, grenades exploding and people dying all around you either you are part of the battle or you are toast. The 101st was not a large military unit with tanks, trucks and artillery. They did not have the time or resources to handle prisoners. If they were on a serious mission, like taking out the 88's during D-Day, I wouldn't expect any of those soldiers to stop what they were doing and babysit prisoners while the landing troups were getting blown to hell on the beaches.
Link Posted: 10/2/2001 6:06:05 PM EDT
Sodie's right. You shoot the Jerry's as they escape then you don't have to fight the bastards again when they regroup and counterattack which the HEER was masterful at doing well. They were NOT running away...merely withdrawing. They would have returned. Also, since Easy company was up against the SS, it was a great benefit to humanity for them to kill every one of those guys they could. As light infantry, Easy company was in the soup as soon as they hit the ground. POWs taken to the rear use up paratroops as guards. If MPs were available for escort, then maybe you don't shoot them...maybe not. Like it or not...that's war. I am reading the book now...and staying just behind the TV show. The show is very accurate, it just lacks certain, unimportant details here and there but it makes the book all that much better. I continue to be amazed at the warfighting skills, the incredible endurance, and the sheer courage that those men had. They were truly great warriors. [^]
Link Posted: 10/2/2001 6:25:12 PM EDT
I've been watching and have seen most of the weapons I expected to see, with the exception of the BAR. Have I not been paying close enough attention?
Link Posted: 10/2/2001 6:28:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RichWV: I've been watching and have seen most of the weapons I expected to see, with the exception of the BAR. Have I not been paying close enough attention?
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I've seen a BAR at least 5 times on the show.
Link Posted: 10/3/2001 8:28:48 AM EDT
I don't think the BAR was normally carried by paratroopers...too heavy. The BAR weighed 20 lbs without ammo. Each 20 round magazine of 30.06 weighed a pound or two...and that my friend is a bunch of weight.
Link Posted: 10/3/2001 8:49:35 AM EDT
Originally Posted By LWilde: I don't think the BAR was normally carried by paratroopers...too heavy. The BAR weighed 20 lbs without ammo. Each 20 round magazine of 30.06 weighed a pound or two...and that my friend is a bunch of weight.
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maybe they picked it up at camp along the way. And in general, it is just a show! [sniper]
Link Posted: 10/3/2001 9:14:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Imbroglio: I know a guy whose cousin worked on the production staff of Band of Brothers. He told me a big spoiler that happens at the end of the series. If you don't want to know it skip over my message. . . Ok, the guy told me that THE GERMANS LOSE THE WAR.
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Friggin' Imbrolio....You're off my Christmas List....AND....you have dropped down to number 7 on my list of heroes.
Link Posted: 10/3/2001 10:01:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By LWilde: I don't think the BAR was normally carried by paratroopers...too heavy. The BAR weighed 20 lbs without ammo. Each 20 round magazine of 30.06 weighed a pound or two...and that my friend is a bunch of weight.
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The Airborne carried M1919 .30 cal. machine guns but not M1918 BAR's? Between the two I'd say the BAR would be a better choice for highly mobile assault troops. Actually I'd be happier with both but wouldn't want to tote either.
Link Posted: 10/3/2001 10:17:05 AM EDT
Ok, the guy told me that THE GERMANS LOSE THE WAR.
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It certainly seems that they're setting the show up so that the German's do in fact loose. Maybe in the next few episodes that will change though. I have to admit I'm expecting an ironic twist from Speilberg, it wouldn't suprise me if the German's do in fact win.
Link Posted: 10/3/2001 12:58:04 PM EDT
Anyone know when or if this will be on DVD? I've been taping it, but DVD's are so much better. Airborne!
Link Posted: 10/3/2001 4:28:38 PM EDT
I think the DVD's are supposed to be released in late '02 or the first half of '03. Are you sure Imbroglio? I hear the Germans are supposed to be coming out with some wonder weapons. But seriously, if you've read the book, episode 10 should be great. The staff car scene and Nixon getting into the sauce after VE day.....should be memorable scenes.
Link Posted: 10/3/2001 5:55:53 PM EDT
in malmedy the germans did not want the 101st prisoners either. after that could you really blame anyone for shooting first it most likely happened on both sides quite more than we are to be believed. I hope that they talk about that to show all we did was the same thing as they were doing at least the ones running away in the field had a choice kinda. their are a few things we should never forget and malmedy was one of them. and if anyone wants a good word for if we should surender to terrorist the next episod should be the one "NUTS"
Link Posted: 10/3/2001 6:13:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Princeton: I was talking to a coworker about this past weeks show and he couldn't understand why towards the end the US soldiers were shooting at the retreating Germans. I explained that they were only temporarily retreating, that most likely the soldiers that retreat here today will be dug in down the road tomorrow. Also, asked him if he noticed if the Germans were throwing their rifles down? No They weren't giving up and going home! What do you think?
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Why does anyone think there are any rules in war? It is kill or be killed and anything goes. You don't take time to be PC. It can cost you your life. You have been trained to kill and you kill. It is the only way you can survive. Both sides know this. People make the big mistake of taking Hollywood's version of war as accurate or historical. I don't care if it is Speilberg or Stone. IT IS NOT!! [frag]
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