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Posted: 9/30/2001 11:31:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/30/2001 11:37:11 AM EDT by Matt_S]
I noticed in the guns you'd never buy again post that the Ruger P series guns were listed alot. I am just curious as to why this is the case. I'm not looking for the political Ruger helped get the 10 round limit answer. Otherwise we would all be boycotting the Mark II and the 10/22 which some of us do anyway. But technically, why do you feel these weapons are not up to par? Just wondering, because I say a lot of them at my CCW class.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 11:34:38 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 11:38:06 AM EDT
That is exactly what I was getting at raf.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 11:43:39 AM EDT
I had a P-85 that fed 1500 rounds without a hitch. I sold it to a friend of mine who is a Ruger fan, after I fired one shot from a Sig 228. Ergonomicaly, the Ruger just sucked. It is big and bulky, the slide feels like a boxcar sliding back and forth. But, I would trust my life to it. My friend has since moved to the PRNJ, so the P-85 once again sits in my safe, until he figures out the red tape needed to take it there, if he decides to.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 11:48:19 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 11:49:39 AM EDT
They have the sex appeal, weight and feel of a brick. Those are my reasons for not wanting to pay retail for one, and others I've talked to who own them feel similarly. Of course, if I found one for $100, I'd grab it in a heartbeat. For those who don't like them, find out what they do like. I like the 92FS because it's reliable, comfortable, and it has almost as many cheap accessories as a 1911. But how many guns can you say that about? Of course you're not going to find pistol scope mounts and cheap high capacity magazines for a gun that is considerably more rare.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 12:05:22 PM EDT
Remember, everyone recites the old rumors, and known problems of the first run of any weapon on this board, unless they own a newer one. I always hear about sig's frames cracking with frequent use of +P+ ammo, but my newer sig has no problems, in fact sig states they redesigned the frames in the mid 80's to correct the problem. Yet, it is still the number one thing people complain about with sigs. I've never had problems firing friends ruger 9mm's and .45's in the P series, but I don't like the feel compared to sigs. I'm picky, I don't like glocks, but I've never had one FTF when shooting friends' glocks. I just don't like their trigger system(the plastic piece sticking out into my trigger finger annoys me after a few shots). Berettas are fine too, I just dislike manual safties. Of course people always talk about being able to just yank the slide off a beretta to disable it, but that was fixed by slidestops in the mid 80's. Ivestigate guns you wish to purchase, and then talk to someone who owns a recently produced gun of that model about any problems they have had. And above all, go to a range and rent one to try out. In your hand you will have a well used gun, and can feel how it fits your hand, as well as see how well it has worn with abusive rental use.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 12:11:53 PM EDT
There's a much narrower selection of GOOD holsters. For example, Galco doesn't make as many of their models for the Rugers. But if you search for Glock or Sig, the selection is unlimited.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 12:12:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/30/2001 12:16:09 PM EDT by DaMan]
If you like to pound in nails with your pistols, go with the P85s! They suck for everything else! DaMan Edited for clearer understanding of these POSs!
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 12:48:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/30/2001 12:48:37 PM EDT by Matt_S]
DaMan, I don't quite understand what you are saying. I understand that Ruger isn't much of a comparison to a decked out Kimber. But we are talking about $350 dollar guns versus $1,000 dollar guns. Isn't that kinda like saying well my Corvette could smoke your Escort, and then claiming that a Chevy is better than a Ford based on that alone? The Rugers, in my opinion are excellent guns for the money. They are extremelly reliable, rugged, and relatively accurate. I understand that they are blocky, but I don't get the comment that they are only good for pounding nails? Please explain.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 12:56:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/30/2001 12:58:55 PM EDT by The_Beer_Slayer]
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 12:59:34 PM EDT
if you have had one and had no trouble with it you are lucky. every one i have come into contact with has been a lousy shooter. i have a few thousand rounds thru a combo of a p85. the guns were originally made to appeal to handgun shooters that did not want to spend a lot of money and thus they are not the best made guns. As a firearms instructor for one of the 5 largest sheriff's offices in the country i can tell you that when we count the scores on our targets the rugers are usually the ones with the lower scores. also one of my close friends was always having a hard time qualifing and we would have to run him thru the course 2 times each time he went out. i handed him my h&k usp45 and he shot at the expert level on his first run thru, right now he has qualified at the expert level and is carrying my sig 226 until he buys his 220. with no remediation it is obvious that it was the gun and not the shooter. we allow the use of s&w, glock, h&k, beretta, ruger, and sig sauer. so we have every option, many carry the ruger, mostly because of cost, and you don't see many of them wearing the pistol master ribbon.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 1:09:22 PM EDT
I realize that as soon as I say something good about my Ruger P89 somebody will make a wise ass crack about how I just bought it cause I couldn't afford anything else blah blah blah. Well I've got a FN Hi Power, Taurus PT92, HKUSP 40, Beretta 85, Beretta 3032, and two HS2000s. I bought the Ruger cause as near as I could tell every part in it was stainless steel. I got it for the truck. I only decided to get one after shooting two of my friend's Rugers. While it is true that it doesn't have the feel of other more expensive guns, it certainly seems to be as much or more reliable than just about anything else. Now I'm not going to lie to you and say that it is my favorite pistol but it is certainly capable of holding its own and I'd pick it up as soon as anything else if my life depended on it. It is built like a brick but sometimes a brick is a good thing. It would really hurt if you hit someone with it. [:D] Sometimes people get caught up in the little details and then blow them out of proportion. My P89 shoots about as accurately as anything else. I also like my Mini-14 though. Most of the people who refer to the 14 as a POS are just talking about it's inherent nature to not shoot as accurately as a target rifle. It wasn't really designed to be one though and it is great at what it is. It is the world's greatest beater .223 rifle. Nothing else comes close. Now bear in mind that I'm limited in comparison to my SteyrAUG, AR-15 and M17S. Some of the .223 AKs may be great beaters too. Guns are like cars. People get real opinionated about them and it usually only something that they read/heard or one specific lemmon that they themselves had. If you want a Ruger P series then go get it. Just don't be too sensitive about other's commments cause you are gonna get them. If you want a great all around gun for the $300 range that will get you almost no negative feedback, then get a HS2000. They rock the Glock.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 1:13:13 PM EDT
My Ruger P91 40s+w......shoots and feeds without a hitch........and is very accurate...for the money i dont think u can go wrong........and when on the other end of the barrel......YOUR DONE
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 1:14:27 PM EDT
The bore axis is WAY too high and the slide is too wide and bulky. It reminds me of working on cars and using a timing light.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 1:17:08 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 1:20:36 PM EDT
My P95DC eats anything I put in it, very reliable, the AK47 of pistols, in my opinion. However, it is bulky and not as accurate as my Sig P225 that has a .5" shorter barrel. I feel it was a very fair deal @ $325 new. Lightfighter, out!
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 1:38:00 PM EDT
Lots of rounds through the p90- no problems........bigger than the colt but.....half the $..................[smoke]
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 1:41:01 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 2:36:30 PM EDT
There is nothing at all wrong with the "P" series Rugers. I have a P89DC that eats any ammo, is durable, functions flawlessly and hits POA when I do my part. What is a gun supposed to do anyway? I love my Rugers! Jim Hall
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 2:53:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By raf:
Originally Posted By tc6969: It reminds me of working on cars and using a timing light.
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Oh, Man that brings back memories!
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I cant tell one end of a car from the other these days. Hell the engine in mine is sideways!
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 2:58:25 PM EDT
Other than the fact that they're butt-ugly and feel like a brick in your hand, there's nothing wrong with them!
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 3:05:33 PM EDT
Theres nothing wrong with the raliabity of the p-series, I hand one too big, I was lucky to get 4" groups off the rest. like it was said I buy another one for 100 bucks if it was offered.there are too many gun for A couple hundred more that shoot better carry better and look better. They look like they should be a 44 mag or somthing. I guess they would make A good night stand gun.[kill]
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 3:08:31 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 3:13:38 PM EDT
A simply horrible trigger pull, both. Too blocky. Poor ergonomics. My .02. Talyn
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 4:05:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Talyn: A simply horrible trigger pull, both. Too blocky. Poor ergonomics. My .02. Talyn
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Don't agree about the trigger pull. Not that much different from my Sigs or friend's Glocks. Ergonomics are fine. Spent $18 and put Hogues on all my Rugers and Sigs. With the Hogue, the Ruger feels as good as any pistol and better than many. The P90, P89, P91, and P85 are no more blocky than any other auto pistol and the P95, P94, and P97 are a lot more rounded and smoother than many pistols. Overbuilt is not a bad thing, beats the hell out of one built barely to tolerance for a particular ammo. Some are snobs and feel like they aren't expensive enough. Some won't forgive Bill Ruger for his past transgressions that he has since atoned for but state they will buy a Smith and Wesson when they rescind the agreement they signed with Clinton, which was way worse than anything Ruger ever did. Go figure.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 4:32:04 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 4:45:26 PM EDT
My P94DAO was $315 with two 15 round mags. Shoots great, never a problem. When the ammo runs out I can throw it and it is still lethal.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 5:45:44 PM EDT
If you like the Mini-14, you'll LOVE the P-Series! They're just as accurate .... but you can throw them with deadlier effect! DaMan
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 6:35:05 PM EDT
I was drawn to the price, but when I picked it up I just felt like junk. I know that sounds arbitrary, but when you shake it it rattles...Alot! I'm not a gun snob, cause I have an Makarov and it appears to be better built. Other than that I'm sure that they are effective, and a good value.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 6:14:47 AM EDT
I love my P...it is a brick and a hammer and a lethal throwing object...but before throw it I would have to go throught the two 30 round magazines I have....can you say sixty rounds of Nine Mike Mike coming at you? And concealed carry is a breeze....I have a vest with pockects that seem to be made for this piece....
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 6:27:31 AM EDT
I'll stand on my original comments. I tried a friends' and came to that conclusion. I have Glocks and they have a far better trigger-pul that the P-series. If you want to try a 9mm with far superior erognomics & trigger pull check out the CZ-75. One of the all time best 9mms. My experiences of course. Talyn
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 6:57:50 AM EDT
I bought a P85 when they first came out. I never had a problem with it. It digested any kind of ammo I fed it. I don't ever remember having it jam. It's a little bulky and the trigger has way too much travel, but it's ok for a home defense gun. This is one of the guns I use for training purposes for people I certify for carry permits.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 7:37:51 AM EDT
Hey guys, I have a question while we're on the subject. I've shot hundreds of rounds through my P89DC and I've had about three or four instances where the slide hung open instead of traveling forward into battery. I wondered if maybe I accidentaly had my thumb pressing on the slide catch lever and it grabbed. I've made a conscious effort to change my grip to eliminate that possibility and it hasn't happened since. Is that possible or can you think of another reason it would catch like that instead of cycling as it should? BTW, I love my Ruger! It takes time to get used to the trigger pull, but now it's second nature. I shoot accurately with it and it is worth every penny I paid for it. I don't care if there are "higher quality" weapons our there. I want at least one of every brand anyway! Get you a Ruger and then get some Hogue grips -- they fit your hand perfect! Peace, Bill
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 8:26:37 AM EDT
It's pretty simple: Rugers work. They are reliable and accurate. Any one who says a ruger is not accurate has never fired the p90 or 97; both guns have been proven to shoot 1-2 inch groups with the right ammo. In my opinion, the best autos from ruger are the p95 and the p97. By the way, you can't compare a double action pistol to the glock's striker/safe action.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 8:54:03 AM EDT
I have a P-90 and I have always found the accuracy to be accceptable (couldn't give you pattern size, I really never measured, but I do remember thinking it was acceptable for self-defance.) Yeah, it is quite bulky, but I also don't think it was envisioned as a concealed carry gun and I did not buy it for this purpose. I have never experienced a jam or FTF, it has been very reliable. The grips are annoying, but not unserviceable in my opinion, but that is personal preferance. I am looking into some rubberized grips. I argee that there is no comparison to guns such as Sig, but then again we are talking different guns for different purposes. The grip is large, but is nowhere near as bad as my brother's Desert Eagle (.44). I have big hands and that monster fills them up easily. I have heard the original P85's were very troublesome, but I have also heard that these problems were resolved in later guns. That's OK with me, I have never been a big fan of 9mm, although I will likely eventually buy one for plinking. In short, I believe the P series Ruger does what it was designed for quite well. I have no complaints with mine and I would not hesitate to buy another, although with the HS2000s hovering around $300, I would probabaly buy one of them first. That is a gun that will not stay that inexpensive forever.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 8:59:38 AM EDT
Ugly as Sin. But I would trust my life to one. I have a P89 and have had 100% reliable.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 9:21:09 AM EDT
I HAD a P95DC. Even considering that it was only my 2nd firearm ever, it had some serious barrel seating problems. I'd fire, the barrel would reseat, and then be off as much as 4 ft from POA each time (at about 15 yards.) Probably just a fluke, but it turned me off from the P-series.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 9:47:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By raf: The Mini can be inexpensively tweaked to shoot quite well, but some prefer to ignore that.
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Raf, Could I trouble you to send me some information on that? Every "solution" I see involves spending more money than the weapon itself is worth, so I'm particularly curious. Thanks. P.S. - No, I'm not being sarcastic. I'm quite serious. Thanks again.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 10:07:33 AM EDT
I enjoy outshooting almost everyone at the pistol range and then showing off to the snobs that have customized stuff that I have a bone stock P89. The trigger does smooth up after 1000 rounds. Off the rest mine will touch 3 rounds at 15yds. Barrel isn't as high as the Barretta 92. I have carried it concealed for over five years with no problems. It is the only firearme I have ever owned with never one misfeed or misfire. Over 3000rds and a bang for every trigger pull. Heck yeah I'll trust my life to it. DaMan would you care to actually talk about your experience instead of belching sarcasms? Maybe you have some shooting problem that needs to be corrected. We would be glad to help. If however, you simply need to justify spending three times as much for the pistol you want I understand. Planerench out.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 10:11:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/1/2001 10:08:30 AM EDT by raf]
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 11:00:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Planerench: DaMan would you care to actually talk about your experience instead of belching sarcasms? Maybe you have some shooting problem that needs to be corrected. We would be glad to help. If however, you simply need to justify spending three times as much for the pistol you want I understand. Planerench out.
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Ya know what Planerench? I'm not going to bore you with my experiences with the Ruger P-Series! You wouldn't understand No, I don't have some "shooting problem" (don't think I would have made the cut on the various shooting teams I've been on, if that were the case). I also don't think I'd turn to you for advise, if I did! If you like the P-Series, stick with it! When you finally tune your ability to that of the pistol, you'll want something better! DaMan
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 11:11:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/1/2001 5:29:11 PM EDT by LARRYG]
Originally Posted By DaMan: Ya know what Planerench? I'm not going to bore you with my experiences with the Ruger P-Series! You wouldn't understand
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In other words, you have no experience with the P-series. It must not cost enough. Hell, I can hit a gong sized pad at 100 yds with every shot from my P90. A Marine marksmanship instructor from Parris Island who was the weekend RO was amazed. I let him fire it and he loved it, but what would he know?
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 11:57:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/1/2001 11:53:54 AM EDT by Planerench]
Edited because more fuel on this fire will not help anything.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 5:10:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/1/2001 5:09:00 PM EDT by aerod1]
LARRYG and Planerench, I agree with you 100% Jim Hall
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 5:31:07 PM EDT
In response to the topic, question, NOTHING!!! No different than what type of shoe or pants you wear, they all fit some of us different than others .....Hell I love my P95 cuz I hit better with it than other models..
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 9:07:05 PM EDT
The previous answers is what I needed to hear. Here in PRK we have a chain of sporting good stores called Turners (www.turners.com) their latest ad has the blue P95-9 mm for $299.00 with a $40.00 rebate. For a new toy it is a fair deal. Regards ACK
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 9:15:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By raf: I don't understand it either. My KP90DC has always worked flawlessly. Also, Massad Ayoob, noted gunwriter/trainer/LEO thinks enough of them to buy them for his Dept, as well as carry one as a duty sidearm.
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CHEAP. Small departments have small budgets.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 9:18:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Coversix:
Originally Posted By raf: I don't understand it either. My KP90DC has always worked flawlessly. Also, Massad Ayoob, noted gunwriter/trainer/LEO thinks enough of them to buy them for his Dept, as well as carry one as a duty sidearm.
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CHEAP. Small departments have small budgets.
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Yes, they are inexpensive compared to most. I think that is part of the rap, they don't cost enough for gun snobs. I'm sure a police dept is not going to buy something that won't work, regardless of price.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 9:23:59 PM EDT
I should probably have finished my opinions. I also agree that they are extremely reliable in my experience. Personally, I can't hit shit with them, but I have friends that swear by them. Some of those friends can't hit shit with the pistols I shoot well. I do not hold a grudge againts the P's. I shot about as lamely with my USP 45 and it costs about 2-3 times as much as a Ruger. I traded it. [:)]
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 9:41:16 PM EDT
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