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Posted: 9/27/2001 6:30:25 AM EDT
anyone rememeber the name of the thread here a few days ago where someone had posted the picture of the guy on the observ deck with a jet coming in in the background? it jsut started going around our building like wildfire, I've had it sent to me 4 times so far this morning. I told them it was fake but only remembered there was no shadow and no blurring of the plane, they say I'm full of it because this photo is from a "reliable" source. Yah. just like all those virus warnings they send me from "AOL" and "IBM" I need more ammo from the thread, uhh...help?
Link Posted: 9/27/2001 6:35:31 AM EDT
Here is a site that refutes that claim as well as the Wingdings one that is running around as well http://www.csicop.org/hoaxwatch/#tourist
Link Posted: 9/27/2001 6:44:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By erickm: anyone rememeber the name of the thread here a few days ago where someone had posted the picture of the guy on the observ deck with a jet coming in in the background? it jsut started going around our building like wildfire, I've had it sent to me 4 times so far this morning. I told them it was fake but only remembered there was no shadow and no blurring of the plane, they say I'm full of it because this photo is from a "reliable" source. Yah. just like all those virus warnings they send me from "AOL" and "IBM" I need more ammo from the thread, uhh...help?
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Here ya go: Why is he dressed in winter clothes ? It was a very nice day, even up that high, it still wouldn't require that kind of clothing. He is standing on the north building. The north building has an enclosed observation deck. AND the north building was the second building to get hit. Why would you go up there after the first building had been hit to take pictures of yourself and the NYC skyline??? It's verifiably fake. Ian
Link Posted: 9/27/2001 6:51:58 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/27/2001 6:56:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By FrankSquid:
Originally Posted By Ian: He is standing on the north building. The north building has an enclosed observation deck. AND the north building was the second building to get hit. Why would you go up there after the first building had been hit to take pictures of yourself and the NYC skyline??? It's verifiably fake. Ian
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The north tower was hit first, right where that plane "looks" like it will hit and that guy is standing on the north tower.
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Shit, well I must be confused. I read an article about it a few days ago. I didn't check out the above links, but I'm pretty sure the article I read was from that site. Ian
Link Posted: 9/27/2001 6:58:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/27/2001 6:57:55 AM EDT by Ian]
Okay, Here it is. I received this in an e-mail a few days ago.
[b]Photo's a hoax - this is from www.snopes.com:[/b] Claim: A photograph captured an unlucky tourist posing on the observation deck of a World Trade Center tower seconds before a hijacked airliner smashed into the building. Status: False. Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2001] We've seen thousands of pictures concerning the attack. However, this one will make you cringe. A simple tourist getting himself photographed on the top of the WTC just seconds before the tragedy . . . the camera was found in the rubble!! Origins: A grim sense of humor and digital photo manipulation skills can produce some interesting results these days: This picture is suspect beyond credibility because September 11 was warm and sunny, not the type of day on which a tourist would have been decked out in a winter coat and hat. As well, the airliner in this picture is approaching from the north and would therefore have been the one which hit the north tower of the World Trade Center, but the north tower did not have an outdoor observation deck http://topoftheworld.citysearch.com/ -- the south tower included an indoor observation deck on the 107th floor and an outdoor deck above the 110th floor, but the north tower housed Windows on the World, an indoor restaurant with a magnificent view of the city. In any case, the operating hours in September for the World Trade Center observatories were 9:30 A.M. to 9:30 P.M., meaning they opened too late for a tourist to have been present on one before the first plane hit at 8:49 A.M. Other points to ponder include whether a camera would have survived the crash, fire, and fall intact, and whether the airplane depicted shouldn't appear larger and blurrier. (The shadows in the picture also seem to indicate a sun in the southeast, but the reflections on the plane look as though they were made by a sun in the southwest.)
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Edited because I can't spell!
Link Posted: 9/27/2001 7:33:57 AM EDT
The first clue that the picture was a fake was upon close examination of the date, it is over a smudged out earlier date.
Link Posted: 9/27/2001 8:05:34 AM EDT
It was a photoshopped fake. I don't recall the WTC having an outdoor observation deck. Only the Empire State Building has that.
Link Posted: 9/27/2001 8:49:37 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/27/2001 9:31:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By trickshot: It was a photoshopped fake. I don't recall the WTC having an outdoor observation deck. Only the Empire State Building has that.
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Yes, that picture was a total fake. But you're wrong about the WTC - it did have an outdoor deck. I know, because I've been on it. It wasn't really used much because of the winds, and they didn't expect that much traffic because you had to ride a long, narrow escalator through a dark passage up onto the roof. It was just basically a small area on the roof with a railing to keep you away from both the edge and the small antenna farm. Only when the weather was right would they let people go up there. I just happened to be there on one of those days. Still, I don't think 20 out of the 100 or so people on the Observation Deck actually were brave enough to go up on the roof. Many looked at the dark, narrow escalator that opened into blue sky and turned back. Needless to say, the view was incredible! So, trickshot - next time maybe you should refrain from posting answers to stuff you know nothing about.
Link Posted: 9/27/2001 9:40:50 AM EDT
Fuck you, Steel Rat. I was up that tower once myself and I don't recall there being an outdoor deck. So if there was one, I didn't get on it for some reason. Maybe it's the Sears Tower I was thinking of. It was over a decade ago now, shit for brains. And I guess I'll never get the chance to go refresh my fucking memory because our cake eating government couldn't protect its people even with a multi-billion dollar defense budget.
Link Posted: 9/27/2001 9:46:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By trickshot: Fuck you, Steel Rat. I was up that tower once myself and I don't recall there being an outdoor deck. So if there was one, I didn't get on it for some reason. Maybe it's the Sears Tower I was thinking of. It was over a decade ago now, shit for brains. And I guess I'll never get the chance to go refresh my fucking memory because our cake eating government couldn't protect its people even with a multi-billion dollar defense budget.
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Only ONE of the towers had an observation deck. This is also what makes this pic a phoney. The plane is comming in at the wrong direction to the tower WITH the observation deck.
Link Posted: 9/27/2001 9:50:11 AM EDT
From the Snopes.com "rumors debunked" page: "The plane is approaching the WTC from the north, so it would have to have been the North Tower (WTC1). WTC1 did not have an observation deck. (Even if photo had shown a view from WTC2's observation deck, that deck is not open until 9:30 am. The first plane hit at 8:49.) "
Link Posted: 9/27/2001 9:51:16 AM EDT
Why did you quote me above? Did I not make myself clear?
Link Posted: 9/27/2001 9:52:07 AM EDT
After reading this I'd also like to add, that BOTH planes hit before 9:30 so there would be no one on the deck to be able to take a picture.
Link Posted: 9/27/2001 9:59:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By trickshot: Why did you quote me above? Did I not make myself clear?
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No. I just wanted to see you Flip off Steel_Rat again, since he was an ASS to me on my first post. It was a common mistake for visitors not know there was only one tower with a deck. I'm with ya on this one.
Link Posted: 9/27/2001 1:50:15 PM EDT
For the life of me, I can’t seem to link my photos!! Anyway (with luck) at the below link are two photos I took in 1979 from the observation platform of the south WTC tower. Both photos are facing north – the Empire State Building is visible in both. The north tower is actually a bit to the west and is also visible in both photos. [url]http://community.webshots.com/album/21968188QBbLfgWmPx[/url] If any knowledgeable member wants to bring these over, please do so.
Link Posted: 9/27/2001 2:18:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Flip_from_New_York:
Originally Posted By trickshot: Why did you quote me above? Did I not make myself clear?
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No. I just wanted to see you Flip off Steel_Rat again, since he was an ASS to me on my first post. It was a common mistake for visitors not know there was only one tower with a deck. I'm with ya on this one.
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Hey, don't get pissy with me just because you're a couple of fucking morons. trickshot - You were wrong about there being public roof access above the Observation Deck and I corrected you. Take it like a man instead of a child. Flip_from_New_York doesn't like me because I tried to point out the difference between "break" and "brake" when it comes to guns, but apparently I was too subtle and he didn't get it. You two cretins have less than one whole brain between you. Tell me, which one of you two is the "man" in your relationship?
Link Posted: 9/27/2001 6:09:34 PM EDT
To add two more reasons to what everybody else said... #1 - The pic shows an American Airlines 757. Both aircraft that crashed in New York were 767's. #2 - The United 767 was the first aircraft to crash. Being that this aircraft is an American jet (and a '57 at that), this would be 40 minutes after the United jet hit the other tower. We'll set aside that only a complete idiot would decide to pose for a picture at that particular moment and just focus on the smoke....or lack of it. The smoke from the other tower at this point was very heavy over both towers, yet this picture shows no smoke at all. Here's two pics of the smoke... Before the 2nd aircraft strike: [img]http://www.southwick.org/pb2/wtc.jpg[/img] And as the 2nd aircraft struck (from AR15.com's home page): [img]http://www.ar15.com/images/miscpics/neverForget.jpg[/img] If your coworkers still insist that the picture is real, tell them that if they email it to enough people, they will have good luck and Bill Gates will give little Timmy a copy of Windows 95. - Robbie
Link Posted: 9/27/2001 6:20:46 PM EDT
It just looks fake. As if anyone doesn't expect that sort of childishness when every 13 year old in the US has a computer. The smoke pics say it all. Some people are so stupid.
Link Posted: 9/27/2001 6:24:32 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/27/2001 7:23:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Steel_Rat: Hey, don't get pissy with me just because you're a couple of fucking morons. trickshot - You were wrong about there being public roof access above the Observation Deck and I corrected you. Take it like a man instead of a child. Flip_from_New_York doesn't like me because I tried to point out the difference between "break" and "brake" when it comes to guns, but apparently I was too subtle and he didn't get it. You two cretins have less than one whole brain between you. Tell me, which one of you two is the "man" in your relationship?
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Aww did I touch a nerve? You can dish it out, but can't take it? I love online tough guys.
Link Posted: 9/28/2001 10:36:20 PM EDT
Just so we're all on the same page (I hadn't seen the photo before): [img]http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/images/crash.jpg[/img] Snopes also had this one: [img]http://www.magicalcheese.com/uploads/crash.jpg[/img] Anyone know whether the cat in this photo is faked? I was sent that one a few months ago (the accompanying story was about radiation around a Canadian nuclear power plant), didn't know whether to believe it or not.
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