This is a Cleveland, Ohio tv station poll but I would love it if I could get some help here.  I'm an airline pilot that has ccw in Washington state but I'm based in a state that takes away that right (Ohio).  This is just one step to get things changed.  Hope I can get some yes votes.  www.wkyc.com  It's labeled POLL in the middle of the page in the middle of the headlines.  Thanks to all.
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Done.

[url]www.wkyc.com [/url]

Edited to add,

79.5% Yes
20.5% No

81% yes
19% no

Apparently the lawmakers didn't like the presentation as much as we airline pilots would like about the arming of pilots.  Today, ALPA went before members of Congress and told them what they wanted.
[url]www.alpa.org[/url] to see details.

Done... 82% Yes

AW YEAH!  Cleveland is such a liberal town too.  Some will be pissing the pantalones now.

Yes  84.3%
No  15.7%

btt.  Thanks guys and gals.

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Yes: 87.7%
No: 22.3%

Done.
89.2% yes
10.8% No

90% "yes"

I got this e-mail floating around work today by a pilot. A long read but very good!


Fraternal Brothers and Sisters,

My name is John Burnett.  I am a DC-10 Captain for FedEx.  I am also a
Police Officer for the Memphis Police Department.

My purpose in writing this is to share some of my thoughts regarding
actions a pilot might consider when faced with a modern-day hijacker.
These thoughts are "outside-the-box" when it comes to the way we've all
been trained. Neither the FAA or our companies will suggest any of these
techniques or implement them as a part of our normal training cycles.
They couldn't for fear of lawsuits.

I am distributing this via e-mail to buddies I've flown with.  I'm
asking them to send it to their circle of friends within the industry,
and for you to send it to yours.  I know most of us have e-mail, and I
hope this reaches the next to face the horror of some religious fanatic
onboard.

We have all had "training" in what to do in case of a hijacking; try to
keep the hijacker calm, make him think you're doing what he wants, take
him where ever he wants to go, etc., etc., etc.  Save your passengers,
your crew, and your aircraft.

In an emergency, you will revert to that training.  When our unfortunate
peers were faced with the screams of the Flight Attendants and
hijacker's demands to open the cockpit door, their training probably
made them open the door. When the fanatics made demands, their training
told them to comply as best they could.  I can only wonder what their
thoughts were as they left the cockpit and were tied up in the back of
the plane; what they thought as they descended over New York.... I hope
the fanatics had to kill them in their seats and drag their dead bodies
out of the cockpit.  But, I bet they did as they were trained to do.....

As you look back over recent hijackings, FedEx, Egypt Air, and now the
September  11th hijackings, you see a perpetrator who, for one reason or
another wants to take over the airplane and kill himself. Each of these
hijackers, except for the FedEx incident, were successful.  They took
over the airplane and killed everyone onboard.

If you're following the news programs today, you hear a lot about how we
could let these hijackers learn to fly.  You would think if knowing how
to fly would guarantee a successful hijacking, Auburn Calloway (the
FedEx hijacker) would have been a hijacker success story.  He was a Navy
pilot, a martial arts student, a fellow FedEx crewmember, and he took
all the weapons he needed: hammers, knives and a spear gun.  He didn't
have to overcome any Flight Attendants or demand they open the cockpit
door.  He just went back to his bag, took out his hammer came back into
the cockpit and started crushing skulls.

The crewmembers on that flight didn't worry about Flight Attendants,
they didn't worry about passengers.  All three pilots left the cockpit
and fought a hand-to-hand, life-or-death battle.

... more

... con't

To survive today's hijacker, you cannot worry about your passengers; you
cannot worry about your Flight Attendants.  You must develop a mind-set
that everyone onboard - including yourself - is already dead.  Because,
if the hijacker is successful in taking over your airplane, not only
you, your crew, your passengers and your aircraft are lost, but
thousands on the ground are at risk.

One of the reasons the FedEx crew survived, is the extraordinary actions
of the co-pilot.  Although he had brain injury, the co-pilot took the
DC-10 and immediately executed a half-roll.  This maneuver took the
hijacker off his feet as the Captain and S/O were struggling with him.
During a point in the maneuver, the hijacker, Captain and S/O were
thrown back behind the cockpit door.  When he righted the airplane, the
F/O then left his seat and joined the fight in the galley area of the
plane.  It was only after the Captain determined the hijacker was
subdued, he returned to the cockpit and flew the airplane to landing.

Very few of us have had to confront true evil.  Fewer still have
seriously considered taking the life of another human being.  I believe
this is the reason the FedEx crew did not kill their attacker.  The
crew's heroism that day is beyond belief and any action that leads to a
safe landing and recovery cannot be argued with.  But, when the Captain
left the F/O and S/O, thinking the situation was under control, he was
mistaken. The F/O and S/O had sustained serious, life-threatening
injuries.  The hijacker had not.  As the Captain flew the aircraft, the
hijacker, who had surrendered, began the fight anew.  As the airplane
landed, the hijacker was just moments away from overcoming the two
crewmembers.

I mention this for your consideration. I would suggest that you make the
conscious decision to kill anyone who tries to take your airplane from
you. Today we are at war.  The hijacker who comes through your cockpit
door is going to kill you and everyone onboard.

So, how do youI do that?  What weapons are available to us as pilots?

The intercom. Command that all men come forward and fight with the
hijackers. You have many able-bodied men onboard.  They are sitting in
shock not knowing what to do.  Command they come forward and help you
kill your attackers. And, they will come.

The airplane itself. Get the hijackers off their feet.  Go into an
immediate dive to float them to the ceiling.  Then execute a 6G positive
maneuver and hope they hit their head or break their back as they hit
the floor, galley shelf, etc. Dump the cabin - maybe one of the
hijackers has a head cold. Pull the fire handles, shut the start levers
and turn the fuel valves off.  If you lose the battle, at least the
airplane won't be used as a guided missile on a kamikaze mission.  With
luck, maybe these guys didn't learn how to do an in-flight restart.
Then leave the cockpit - all of you, and kill your attackers - don't
believe it when they surrender - don't be nice to them - KILL THEM.

Flare Gun If your airplane has one, the Captain might consider making
sure it's loaded and secured next to his bag.  I can think of nothing
more satisfying than watching a ball of burning phosphorous embedded
into a fanatic's gut, burning its way through him.

... more

... con't

The crash-axe. I would suggest you have your co-pilot take it from it's
holder and secure it next to him so he has it immediately available.
Makes an excellent skull crusher.

Your flashlight. The FAA use to require a 2 cell.  A 3 cell Mag-Light
makes an excellent weapon.  If your maneuvers have the hijackers on the
floor writhing in pain, crush their skulls with it.

Your stolen hotel bic pen. Drive it into an attacker's eye, ear, throat,
or into the area just under the jaw bone.  That's a particular
interesting place to drive it, because when he opens his mouth to
scream, you can read "Hyatt" sticking there.

Your hand and fingers Drive your fingers into his eyes and try to feel
your fingernails scrape the back of his eye sockets.  Scoop the eyeballs
out.  It will confuse the hell out of him when he finds himself looking
at his shoes as they dangle there on the ocular nerves.

Your teeth. Remember Hannabal Lecter.  Eat a nose, a cheek, or a finger.
And keep eating.  Attack with all viciousness. A piranha is a small
fish, but it's greatly feared.  A hijacker is not expecting you to eat
him and it might make him forget why he got on your airplane to begin
with.  It will, at least, impress his buddies.

... more

... con't

Now here's my wish-list of things the FAA could do to help, especially
in this time of war.

Arm the Captain The battle is not going to require any long shots and a
small revolver would be a good choice.  It would hold off the attackers
long enough for you to disable your aircraft.  If the attackers claimed
the red package they were holding was a bomb, I'd shoot out the door
glass and hope the door would be ripped out and the hijacker and his
package would be sucked out.  And hey, I if I got sucked out with him,
I'd try to fly myself to the hijacker look in his face and laugh at him
all the way to the ground.

Invite the local Police to jumpseat Police are always looking for
something free.  Donut shops use to be a favorite target for robbers -
until they started giving donuts to the Police. Robbers don't rob donut
shops anymore. I would suggest each Police Department send the FAA a
list of the best shots on the department and those guys and their guns
would be welcome on my airplane. Fill every vacant seat with armed
Police - give them a donut - and tell them to shoot anyone who gives
your Flight Attendant any shit.

Stop this silly no-knife rule. Make it public.  Tell the public they're
welcome to bring their pocket knives onboard.  Then everyone will bring
them.  When you make your intercom call for help, you'll have a dozen or
more knife wielding helpers trying to make sure their new Gerber tastes
fanatics blood.  There are even a few of them who'd want to keep ears as
souvenirs.

Law enforcement agencies are all aware there are copy-cat criminals and
fanatics.  We have a number of loony fanatical
hate-groups here in the USA: ALF, PETA, KKK, Army of God,
Anti-abortionists, and the list goes on. It doesn't matter the size of
your airplane.  Right now, as I write this, there is an anti-abortionist
escapee here in the Memphis area.  He's seen what happened at the World
Trade Center.  A small commuter plane would do a great job on an
abortion clinic, or on an animal research facility, or on a local
synagogue, mosque, etc., etc., etc.............

None of us is immune.  Take some time and consider your actions if this
event should ever happen to you.

My prayer is none of you ever have to face this kind of decision.

Best of luck to you, and may God Bless.

John Burnett [email protected]

Excellent email floating around.  Hope more see and hear about this one.

Holy shit dude, this guy's got some problems.  I don't think you can train some average pilot to scoop some guy's eyes out.  I'd shoot 'em, but I couldn't eat his damned face!!

Needs to go get some help.

93% - Yes
7% - No

It's their God given right!

94.2
5.8

Keep voting.  Just log off but keep your internet connection up and reconnect to your internet explorer and vote again.  Make it easier by emailing the actual page you vote on to yourself and just open it up each time you get back on.  Repeat many, many times.

Done.
94.8% Yes
5.2%  No

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BTT.

Hell Yes!....94.9%

94.4% for

5.8% against

done

Latest Poll Results:

Yes  94.2%
No  5.8%

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That's basic fight for your life tactics MagiKid.They used to teach eye gouging and biting to break a hold in the military and everyone should doa hitch in the military(including women)so that this shit would not happen again.This happened because by the enemy we are percieved as a soft,weak,gutless bunch of little Latte sippers and for the most part that is true(except the guys who rushed the hijackers and made them crash in Somerset).It's time for us to "Cowboy Up" and quit being a bunch of pansies.The average Israeli has had H2H,can fire full auto weapons and has worked a checkpoint looking for suspicious fuckers.We on the otherhand are too busy whining about our investments,putting ourselves in debt to impress our neighbors and trifling with social engineering to be worth a shit.Israeli kids go to summer camp and climb mountains and shoot Uzis while ours are glued to the play station and have never been in a fistfight in their entire lives.



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