The end of liberalism....

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - The end of liberalism....

Posted: 9/24/2001 3:52:37 AM EDT

In the past week, I have spoken with MANY people whom I know to be EXTREMELY liberal. All of them were Hardcore Bush-haters, Moral-relativists, Multi-Culti, you name it.

They are all changed. Some of them are pretty disturbed by this (having your brain re-wired hurts).

I don't know if the left coast has this phenomenon occurring, too. But here in the East, I see this everywhere.

I know it's not really the "end" of liberalism, but it's certainly a blow to it.

Posted: 9/24/2001 4:31:33 AM EDT

[#1]

I just hope that George W. doesn't let this sudden adulation go to his head. These are still the folks who giggle at him, but now, only behind his back!

Eric The(DanceWithTheOnesWhoBroughtYou)Hun[>]:)]

Posted: 9/24/2001 4:53:55 AM EDT

[#2]

They'll swing back when they get over this mess. But for now, I have three liberal friends that I have to help pick out guns and teach them how to use them. Now that's a twist...

Posted: 9/24/2001 5:01:59 AM EDT

[#3]

According to Fox news this morning, GWB has the highest approval rating, right now,than any president since they sterted taking these polls.
It may not mean much in the long run, but it do sound encouraging.
I still hear some of the more liberal, read enviro-nazis, talking some, but it is very minimal.

Posted: 9/24/2001 5:10:28 AM EDT

[#4]

Doesn't last long. Papa Bush was well over 75% IIRC during the Gulf War and it didn't help him a year and a half later.

Posted: 9/24/2001 5:17:43 AM EDT

[#5]

I'm not even talking about polls.
I don't think we can compare this to recent history, either.
I am seeing a fundamental shift towards common sense politics, which the left often obscures.
The lies that fly back and forth during the usual political bickering, are moot.
I see it in NYC of all places.
I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT POLLS, APPROVAL RATINGS OR FLAG FLYING.
I see a fundamental shifting of people's core beliefs taking place.
Is anyone else witnessing this?

Posted: 9/24/2001 5:38:45 AM EDT

[#6]

When hell freezes...... Whoa, is that a pig overhead?

A liberal is a conservatist that hasn't been mugged yet.

Posted: 9/24/2001 5:42:42 AM EDT

[#7]

Major-Murphy, do you think that this swing in attitudes will have any impact on NYC's mayoral election?

Posted: 9/24/2001 5:45:08 AM EDT

[#8]

Rudy is trying today to void the limits, so that he can be on the ballot.
If he's on the ballot, he wins.

Posted: 9/24/2001 5:53:39 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
I see a fundamental shifting of people's core beliefs taking place.
Is anyone else witnessing this?

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Major -

I was just saying the same thing the other day.

In fact, I believe it started even before WTC.

ANYONE with a functional brain HAS TO see the emptiness and failurew that is Liberalism and Socialism.One of the biggest indicators I see is GWB's election. He should have lost in a landslide, but he beat an incumbent that had all positives and none of teh negatives of teh Clinton administration.

Of course, I could be completely wrong.

But I think Liberalism has undergone a violent beating.

The WTC just accelerated some people in acknowledging the truth.

And I am NOT a person known for my "faith in the goodness of mankind."I just believe that ULTIMATELY truth WILL win the day. And maybe that has already started, at least in teh short term.

FYI - I work in retail. While our sales have been robust, especially compared to our competition, the last two Sundays have been REALLY crappy. My guess is that people are either in church, or with their families. Good for them. Now, all we need is for them to "get" God - NOT just "get religion."

Posted: 9/24/2001 6:25:57 AM EDT

[#10]

Many are also glad to see Robertson & Falwell's exile to oblivion. I think this helped them aboard.

Posted: 9/24/2001 6:33:00 AM EDT

[#11]

Unfortunately, the day after the attack, all my step-mother could say about Bush was he didn't seem to speak with any emotion about what happened and about how nice it was to hear someone like Tony Blair speak without any notes and with emotion.

I'm not a big fan of Bush myself, (not that I remotely like Gore either) but Geeze! I had to bite my tounge real damn hard not to go off on her!

Posted: 9/24/2001 6:33:20 AM EDT

[#12]

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Many are also glad to see Robertson & Falwell's exile to oblivion. I think this helped them aboard.

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Falwell and Robertson are good examples of what happens when you mix the pure gospel of Jesus Christ with personal ambition and political agenda.

Ask youself this - if Jesus Christ the Son of God came to earth today, would He be as popular as Falwell or Robertson were in their hayday??? Obviously NO. Jesus wasn't a big hit the first time He came to earth.

Then ask yourself this re: Falwell/ Robetson 's greater popularity - would it be that Jesus was doing something wrong, or that Falwell or Robertson were doing something wrong????

Hhmmmmm.

Posted: 9/24/2001 6:38:10 AM EDT

[#13]

I honestly couldn't care less.

Posted: 9/24/2001 6:41:13 AM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Many are also glad to see Robertson & Falwell's exile to oblivion. I think this helped them aboard.

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Falwell and Robertson are good examples of what happens when you mix the pure gospel of Jesus Christ with personal ambition and political agenda.

Ask youself this - if Jesus Christ the Son of God came to earth today, would He be as popular as Falwell or Robertson were in their hayday??? Obviously NO. Jesus wasn't a big hit the first time He came to earth.

Then ask yourself this re: Falwell/ Robetson 's greater popularity - would it be that Jesus was doing something wrong, or that Falwell or Robertson were doing something wrong????

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Excellent point....

Posted: 9/24/2001 6:48:05 AM EDT

[#15]

Maybe attitudes began to shift to the right with Reagan, then Newt Gingrich. Clinton was just an aberation. There is no doubt that the pendelum is swinging the correct way, but it's still leaning left.

Posted: 9/24/2001 7:09:24 AM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
I honestly couldn't care less.

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Well, IMHO, you SHOULD.

It is ONLY a return to the truth of the Word of God that will ultimately free mankind from the slavery that is "Liberalism / Socialism."

The truth shall set you free. ALL of you.

-- Jesus

(OK, I added the "All of you" part. [:D] )

Maj -

I KNOW and AM SURE that you care about America. I'm just offerring my opinion that the BEST way to do that is to return to God. I beleive we are in small part seeing that (see my retail example)

"Righteousness ( the widespread occurrence of people doing "right" as God defines it) lifts up a nation, but sin is a curse to any people."

Not a flame - just an offerring to you of the best gift I ever received.

Posted: 9/24/2001 7:10:53 AM EDT

[#17]

I hope there is a change, but Chuck Schumer's and Hillary Clinton's body language during Bush's speech speaks very loudly. I dont think there is a change amoung the hard-core types such as those two. We shall see, only time will tell.

Posted: 9/24/2001 7:22:49 AM EDT

[#18]

Still have the feeling that nothing has changed for many of them, ie, business as usual.

[b][u]In the name of stopping terrorism:[/b][/u]
More gun laws.
Licencing and registration.
1 rnd mags.

None of which prevent anything

Posted: 9/24/2001 7:42:27 AM EDT

[#19]

we should be so lucky...

Posted: 9/24/2001 7:53:38 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
Unfortunately, the day after the attack, all my step-mother could say about Bush was he didn't seem to speak with any emotion about what happened and about how nice it was to hear someone like Tony Blair speak without any notes and with emotion.

I'm not a big fan of Bush myself, (not that I remotely like Gore either) but Geeze! I had to bite my tounge real damn hard not to go off on her!

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Bush is actually an excellent speaker, but has not displayed it since he started his campaign for the presidency. However, on Thursday night we got a glimpse of the person we Texans remember. He can be quite motivating when he's in his groove, and I think he's finally made it there.

God Bless Texas

Posted: 9/24/2001 8:11:36 AM EDT

[#21]

I'm all for getting away from moral relativism and back to a moral code. Whether it comes from religion is not the point, but I certainly believe religion will help give it to you.

The basics:
Respect your parents unless they've physically or sexually harmed you.
Do not murder.
Do not steal.
Do not lie.
Do not covet others' property.
Do not leave your children to be raised by others.
Treat everyone as you wish to be treated.

That's the non-religious parts of the 10 Commandments with some others thrown in. I personally do my best to follow the 10 Commandments, but some people do not accept the "dogma" of Judaism or Christianity, and no one should be forced to come to God. But if we can at least deal with these rules the world would be a better place.

I doubt the Left would like them though. They only like rules they make themselves that don't appply to them anyway.

God Bless Texas

Posted: 9/24/2001 8:24:18 AM EDT

[#22]

The problem with liberals is depending on how indoctrinated they are, they tend to "feel" rather than think. The ones that are just being brainwashed will fight this tendency, and in doing so will either surrender completely, or rebel and go find something else. The ones that are in to the point of doing MM and HCI type work are lost to all common sense. These people don't understand that the world does not care what you "feel", it's what you do that counts. They "feel" the pain of sob's that would kill innocents, rather than see them as a threat to be eliminated. This is the true liberal. However, some of their fellow travelers are not liberals, but psychos bent on imposing their will on others, in the name of whatever cause is fashion at the time.(reparations, social justice, the environment, the whales etc) Think PIAP and her gang as an example of the latter. Those are to observed VERY carefully and every opportunity to discredit them exploited. This kind is NEVER going to change, and is probably right now trying to find a way to further their agenda.

Posted: 9/24/2001 8:25:45 AM EDT

[#23]

The liberals are not not gone; they've just gone temporarily mute.
Already there have been "peace (?)" demonstrations in Mass. and Kalif (Berkeley).
Rather, Brokaw, Jennings and the entire bunch at CNN will soon re-show their true anti-American colors.
So far Fox continues to be reporters of the news as opposed to distorters.

Can "Hanoi" Jane Fonda be far off-stage ??

Posted: 9/24/2001 8:39:33 AM EDT

[#24]

You guys are all missing the point.
I'm not talking about the professinal liberals, or the TV liberals.
I'm talking about the people on the street.
They're changed.
I'm seeing it and hearing it everywhere.

Posted: 9/24/2001 11:58:59 AM EDT

[#25]

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Posted: 9/24/2001 12:15:14 PM EDT

[#26]

A lot of the "elite" opinion hasn't changed; they're still stuck in their old mental ruts. This is particularly true in Europe. On the other hand, I think more of the US man in the street opinion HAS changed. Any politician who suggested that the US not retaliate, or that in some sense the US "deserved" it, would get their head handed to them right now.

The people are often inattentive and ignorant on most subjects. But when their attention gets focused they usually pick the right policies and people to solve the problem.

Posted: 9/24/2001 12:26:34 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
In the past week, I have spoken with MANY people whom I know to be EXTREMELY liberal. All of them were Hardcore Bush-haters, Moral-relativists, Multi-Culti, you name it.

They are all changed. Some of them are pretty disturbed by this (having your brain re-wired hurts).

I don't know if the left coast has this phenomenon occurring, too. But here in the East, I see this everywhere.

I know it's not really the "end" of liberalism, but it's certainly a blow to it.

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This isnt a blow at all to liberalism.

Because Major-Murphy uses "liberalism" as a codeword to blanket everyone he doesnt like and group them togeather, its so much easier than considering them all, with their seperate causes as individual problems.

What is true liberalism, in America, likely wont be touched by this. Seriously. Look what happend to those bigots Robertson and Fallwell, when they tried linking this incident to domestic "liberal" policies.

The people who got their brains rewired were AIRHEADs not liberals. They dont think enough about any issue that doesnt effect their cash flow or personal safety to justify giving them a political persuasion.

Posted: 9/24/2001 12:42:35 PM EDT

[#28]

ArmdLbrl -

Don't take it personally.

We OFTEN lump Liberals and Socialists together, but only because the Socialists like the respectability of using the classical defintion of "Liberal" to paint themselves as harmless.

Of course, the classical defintion of "liberalism" is "open-minded."

That said, whether we are talking about the present day useage of the word "liberal" or the more correct term "socialist" you ain't neither of those.

In reality, what we today call a "liberal" is really a "socialist" and is incapable of "open-minded" thinking.

Its all semantics.

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