you gonna take that, grimshaw?

LARRYG, would you mind telling me why my first post was "complete lunacy"?

If you can't figure it out...........

Enough of this.  You exercised your freedom of speech and I exercised mine.  The crap espoused by those people is treasonous and it makes me angry, but they have the right to say it and I have the right to be angry and disagree.  The outrageous nature of what they say is why it is lunacy.  It is completely illogical and unreasonable.  Right now is the wrong time to discuss these types of things, given what happened.

Again, you seem to be trying to deny me my right to free speech while defending theirs.  I have pointed this out already and you seem to be ignoring it.  

Why aren't you responding to other criticism of your posts?

As for you 'were horrified' when you read the posts, it just seems odd that you have never posted before this and this is your first topic.  I honestly believe that you don't own a gun and are here just to stir the pot.  At least, the owners of this board do not block those who disagree as the DemocraticUnderground, a group that espouses much the same garbage, will block you from their board if you disagree.  The same people whose free speech you are defending don't think others should be allowed the same.

 

BeesKnees- I don't understand how you can say they're not America haters. Did you read the signs? We're racist to defend ourselves against these guys? I love that last ditch comeback you leftists always have for any situation- it's racist!
We should just try and understand them? You better get your head out your ass and away from Oprah, it's really messing you up. Here, let me help you understand your radical Muslim friends. [b]THEY HATE US AND OUR WAY OF LIFE[/B]. Period, end of story. Getting it yet? No, I didn't think it would be that easy.
Oh, we don't want to provoke these guys, that's right. Let's see what we've done to provoke the rath of these lunatics.
Let's look at the 3 wars the U.S. was involved in in the 90's. The Gulf War saved the Kuwaiti people from Iraq's brutal invasion. American intervention in the Balkans saved Bosnia. Then we saved Kosovo from Serbia.
Now BeesKnees, here's the million dollar question. What do these 3 actions have in common? In each one we saved a Muslim people.
You and your terrorist friends are right, we are racist! We always side with the Muslims!
And let's not forget the horror of Somalia. A military operation whose sole purpose was to help feed the starving people, each one a Muslim.
Oh, we understand them, trust me.

Hoople,  I like your thought process!

Smalls

Semper Fi

I just wanna help them find Allah and their 1000 virgins in paradise sooner.  Is that a crime?

Smalls- I spent 3 years with the USMC as a Hospital Corpsman, so we probably do have the same thought process.  Semper Fi. ---Hoople

"BK" wrote:
 

William Blum, author of "Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower."

Capsule of this book, from the publisher's web site:
[url]http://www.commoncouragepress.com/[/url]
"Rogue State -
Learn about decades of ubiquitous U.S. cruelty, kept -- remarkably -- from penetrating world consciousness or shocking world conscience. Though President Clinton calls America "the world's greatest force for peace", William Blum shows that our Rogue State is really a marauding Western brute."  

Not anti-american, huh?


Blum: "I would first apologize to all the widows and orphans, the tortured and the impoverished, and all the millions of other victims of American imperialism"

Blum:"I would then reduce the military budget by at least 90 percent and I would use the savings to pay the reparations to our victims and to increase social services. . ."

Blum:
"...All kinds of murders and bombings for decades, and they have been harbored here in safety for those decades."

Catherine Lutz, professor of Anthropology:
"...send the international police for him and pick up Henry Kissinger and Augusto Pinochet on the way home."

Stan Goff, a disgruntled former U.S. Army Ranger: "I think we need to aim that spotlight at February 27 in 1933 and the Reichstag fire."

Rania Masri:
"And I say xenophobic because it’s not simply Arab-Americans, Muslim-Americans, and Indian-Americans that are being attacked, but also Asian-Americans, Korean-Americans, Chinese-Americans. Anyone who looks different than your typical white man."

[size=4]  It's pretty clear to me that these people were putting the U.S. down (if not in the exact words you so carefully put in quotes, that was certainly their intent and demeanor).[/size=4]




[size=4]Anyone who believes that is pretty naive. You may not like the way he says it, but Slufstuff is right.  These people were not dispassionately analyzing the situation, as you seem to at least try to do sometimes.

Far from being neutral, they are the kind that look at any situation for an opportunity to wrap their socialist ("progressive" in their words) agenda around it.  

They drag out their tired anti-US invective and roast whatever U.S. policies & administratiom that are in place.  Even Democrats are predictably too far to the right for them.

There was no evident attempt by those of the so-called "Progressive Faculty Network" at at UNC to bring in counterpoint speakers or to even make a gesture for balance.

Instead, it looks as if they packed the panel strictly with people they could count on, ones having a history of sharing their anti-US agenda.

From my perspective, this was nothing more than a socialist tent rally.

There are some things I agree with you about, but let's not pretend that the "panelists" have U.S. interests at heart.  They are advancing their own careers & sidelines as agitators.
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P.R.K.[/red]
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Larry g I owe you an apology. you found two friends. That means we have a fart, a smeller and a pretty smart feller. THANKFULLY this country is not run by Marines. I appreciate your contribution to our safety, however its not your job to lead this country. If this country chooses war then you'll be called to do your job. I appreciate your opinions as Americans, however I recognize that as Marines you are trained to be killers. Not judges or diplomats, and your mindset revolves around that ability. I prefer to hope that we can solve this problem in a court of law, because I believe that all life comes from God and returns to God."Thou shalt not kill",among other laws need be observed until it is absolutely not possible. It is possible to bring these villians to justice without nuclear arms or war.

[QOUTE]
maybe if you understood that those at the UNC werent "haters" of america, nor was anyone trying to justify what happened, just understanding the meaning behind the actions. nobody was saying "down with america" or anything like that. they simply feel that the US government should handle this situation in a much different way than they are. i agree... instead of rushing into war with the first nation the US can associate the attacks with, they should look at why the us was a target in the first place: our foreign policy, horrendous in some cases... especially in the middle east. but instead, we continue to intensify our actions in that region. when will people realize that this is what caused the attack in the first place, and its just a cycle thats been getting worse since the Gulf War, or even the creation of Israel?
[END QOUTE]

   Where to start.......First of all you are saying that terrorists had reason. I say this is false and giving them something which they don't possess. You cannot be reasonable and kill yourself too; if you are looking for rationalizations STOP! You develop your second sentence from your first. There again you are saying these people are reasonable YOU DON'T KILL AMERICANS AND CALL YOURSELF REASONABLE.  THESE PEOPLE KILLED over 6000 people. Hmmm, They will kill again if we don't kill them first.  Your idealism(which I am not oppossed to at all) will get you killed. In that there are times for discussion and understanding and then their are times to KILL. My guess is you are in college and havn't ever had to make decisions which effect peoples lives. From a Family to Business to WAR. LACK OF ACTION SOWS YOUR DEFEAT (Taking care of a family, Taking care of your business, and especially war). So lets seperate those two right now. On the last part. I will pay devils Advocate.  I will accept your statement that we have had terrible foreign policy. THAT DOES NOT CHANGE THE SITUATION AT ALL.  IF THEY ARE ATTACKING US, AND THEY ARE, ADMITTING THAT WE MAY HAVE BEEN WRONG ABOUT THIS OR THAT, IS NOT GOING TO MAKE THEM STOP ATTACKING US. CONCLUSION: WE MUST STILL DESTROY THEM. LIFE IS NOT FAIR, SORRY!!! AS FAR AS ISREAL GOES WELL, THEY WERE IN JEURUSALEM BEFORE THE CREATION OF THEIR STATE. IN FACT THEY HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE BEFORE JESUS. THIS ARGUMENT THE MIDDLE EAST HAS AGAINST ISREAL IS BS.  BUT THE WAR CONTINUES, AND THEY HAVE HAD PLANS TO DESTROY US EVEN FURTHER AND RIGHT OR WRONG WE ARE STILL UNDER ATTACK AND RIGHT OR WRONG THEY WILL DIE. SORRY IF THIS SHATTERS YOUR SINCE OF THE PEACE AND MAKES YOU THINK OF ME AS MINDLESS. I AM SORRY THAT YOUR WORLD WAS SHATTERED AND NOW YOU ARE REACHING FOR ANSWER BUT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO STEP AWAY FROM YOUR SENSE OF THINGS TO GET IT.  INTERNAL DIALOG WITH YOURSELF WILL NOT STOP THOSE WHO ARE OUT TO KILL US. WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN AND WHAT IS ARE OFTEN TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

... these ain't the "Suthanaws" I know

of course they had a reason...let me clarify: i agree that their actions were not at all justified or reasonable. however, it would be silly to assume that your enemies are mindless and incapable of thought. there is always a motivation behind such serious actions... whether its a good one or not.



define "them". if you are talking about the Al Quadia (spelling?), then there is no way in hell the US will be able to kill them.  members of this organization are in over 60 nations... attacking afghanistan will only claim innocent lives and provoke them further. their biggest problem with the US is its involvement in the Middle East. whether the US had good intentions when taking action in the ME in the past is besides the point, in their eyes.



once again, the US does NOT have the ability to destroy them. attacking who you think "they" are is not an option, unless you want more US (or possibly another nation's) citizens to be killed as a result.

as far as they (the terrorists) are concerned, they didnt start a war on 9/11, it has been going on for as long as they believe they have been fighting to get rid of outsiders/invaders from their homes. in their point of view, it was not an attack, but a retaliation. once again, this does not justify killing, but at least gives some insight as to why they think they had to commit terrorist attacks.

while there is no easy solution, or none that i have been able to come up with, just about anything is better than going to war, IMO.


~continued~

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the fact is, Palestinians allowed exiled Jews to come to Palestine in the early 1900's. they lived in peace. when WWII came around, Jews flooded Palestine, because it was their holy land and because the Palestinians welcomed them in the past. soon, they took over virtually all business and property (as well as the government), and muslims became a minority, at the bottom at the social ladder. that is how they believe they were being repaid for being so hospitable to the refugees. when this turned to conflict, they were KICKED OUT OF THEIR OWN LAND, and after a series of wars, Palestine became Israel, and Palestinians who had lived there before had no home. how could you call that argument "BS"?? i find their situation and attitude toward Israel very understandable.

You go Bees knees! You got the Marines runnin.
Your point being that there will never be a solution to the mideast problem, so we would be wise to butt out?

thanks grimshaw.[:)]

the middle east problem is pretty complex, and i dont really have a solution. but i do know its far too sensitive of a case to just say "kill em all".

i always thought that an alternative, cheap, clean, abundant energy source would be the largest step to solving most of the world's conflicts, though. but something as ideal as that type of energy source will probably never come into play.

I e-mailed Herr Chancellor:

"Sickening."

That about says it for me.

If we did not mess around in the middle east, they would hate us and attack us.  If we do mess around in the middle east, they will still hate us and attack us.  Lets at least kick their ass.

Statements like reduce the military's budget by 90%, and stop interfereing in foreign politics would limit our country to a lifespan of 10 years.  The problem with most of this extreme leftest babble is the same as the extreme right crap.  If we follow their ideas, our country will fail, and all our freedom/rights will be gone.

A socialist, communist, facist, or libertarian government would be the end of our nation.  This would be caused not neccessarily from within, but foreign governments would try to take us over.  The world is not a nice place, and friends/enemies continually change.  Britain is our greatest ally right?  What happens if we were to have a booming economy while britain is in a horrible depression for the next 30-40 years?  Simple, the British population would hate us, and be trying to find allies to damage our economy first, then our infrastructure.

The two extremes of the left(if we treat everyone exactly the same, and give them everything they need there will be no problems since noone will have a reason to be be hateful/angry/resentful) and the right(if we just leave everyone alone and ignore everyone, then noone will have a reason to be hateful/angry/resentful) are really very alike.  Neither will work because some people always want more.  More money, power, and influence.  Violence and war will always be around as long as humans still exist.

As far as free speech, everyone has a right to free speech, but as I thought when I saw the petition to keep "Politically Incorrect" on the air started by Bill Maher, I though that same freedeom of speech allows me to change the channel.  When enough people change the channel, your view goes away.

[Qoute BEESKNEES]the fact is, Palestinians allowed exiled Jews to come to Palestine in the early 1900's. they lived in peace. when WWII came around, Jews flooded Palestine, because it was their holy land and because the Palestinians welcomed them in the past. soon, they took over virtually all business and property (as well as the government), and muslims became a minority, at the bottom at the social ladder. that is how they believe they were being repaid for being so hospitable to the refugees. when this turned to conflict, they were KICKED OUT OF THEIR OWN LAND, and after a series of wars, Palestine became Israel, and Palestinians who had lived there before had no home. how could you call that argument "BS"?? i find their situation and attitude toward Israel very understandable.

[END QOUTE]

 You managed to not respond to anyone of my statements very impressive!  Alright BEESKNEES You TELL THEM TERRORISTS TO STOP ATTACKING US!   BUT I WILL RESPOND TO YOUR STATEMENTS.

YOU SAID,"WHEN IT TURNED TO CONFLICT THEY KICKED THE PALESTINIANS OUT." WELL WHY DID THE PALESTINIANS ATTACK THE JEWS? IF THE JEWS WERE CONDUCTING BUSINESS WHY NOT THE PALESTINIANS, HERE AGAIN INACTION SOWED THEIR DEFEAT. IN PEACETIME THEY COULDN"T HAVE STOLEN THEIR BUSINESSES, SO THE PALESTINIANS EITHER WERE PUT OUT OF BUSINESS BY OTHER BUSINESSES OR THEY SOLD OUT. Now then , I think there is something fishy about these statements. I think your statements are not accurately describing the true relationship(the what when and why, & how) of the Palestinian/Jewish business atmosphere. I have never heard anyone accuse the Jewish of being bad business men.  That is something Jewish people can be proud of.  As people the world over recognize the Jewish Financial/Business accumen.  BeesKnees if I keep scraping will I uncover a collectivist leaning on your side?? I am going to probably upset a few people here, but the middle easterners ability to not say what they mean is legendary. That is the most polite way I can say it.  It is known the world over. I will say it also a different way, their total indirectness in speech is pretzelesque if your will.  This can be a very big factor in downgrading ones ability to conduct a profitable business.  There I probably stepped on as few toes as possible.

Ben

As far as you saying we can't hunt them down. YES WE CAN HUNT THEM DOWN, 14 Million people can find 70,000-150,000 people.  This is a multi-faceted approach.  The Freezing of funds, the destruction of nations that harbor terrorists, the elimination of the terrorists themselves, the giving of weapons to terrorists to smoke them out.  Having troops in every middle eastern country to hunt down terrorists is going to be big business. Many millions and billions of dollars to the nations that help us. If a person has to live on this planet he can be found.  If he goes into hiding he has still been eliminated, he will have to poke his head out to communicate, to conduct business, etc.  The govnerment has to use a paper trail in this country because we have due process and laws.  Well we don't have to have a paper trail, and we have to have is a picture to get these guys.  They may say the CIA and NSA don't have agents in the field, but they do and they have taken pictures of every could be terrorist in operation since the late fifties.  How do you think that we have over 400 arrests in less then two weeks world wide.  The most visible will go first, then the less visible , but all will go!!! They will have to do something because like us they are under attack to.  I can just imagine how they have the KH-11 and better satellites positioned now.  The have 24 hour coverage of the middle east and all of it.  I am  sure that once every 50 minutes a satellite is passing over from Africa to China.  Looking like 5 or 6 sinusoidal paths where the coverage is one where if there are six sattellites over a certain portion of Africa or the middle east then where one stop the other begins. So that they are probably covering 1000 square mile swaths with other satellites zeroing in on known locations. Then electromagnetic sensors are picking up every piece of man made static and noise and intelligent EMF the whole world over.  Cell Phones, Land lines (which they now have the ability to both tap, & lase and listen to). Bin Laden is in hiding , they say they know where he is. I believe them.  He is like an F117 that is flying with NOEMISSION, but they are traking people into and out of the mountains, into and out of buildings, into and out of every place in afghanistan. And if they need more intelligence gathering capability then they will use it. They are looking at what they bring in what they bring out.  They can find them all, and yes they can kill them all if need be.

Ben  

Beesknees,

That kind of Trolling could get a guy greased.

Satcong = Kill Communists

grimshaw, beesknees I am glad you are paying attention. Its a good thing you can see the Marines runin, now you know which way to go yourselves. Do us all a favor and don't stop running.When confronting people of your mindset I always remember what Samuel Adams had to say to the same people of his day, "Go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Grouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."

Way to go Juan (clusterfuck) !!

These people are sniveling, whinning cowards. If they hate this "oppressive" country so much why do they stay?  Because they know they couldn't say this garbage about another country, in that country, without ending up in prison or having some unfortunate accident involving a man armed with something made by Kalashnikov. Here they only get people angry at them, who shout more "oppressive" remarks at them. [puke]

Now wait just a minute here.  If I've read these posts right, then what I'm hearing is that guys who think that the Constitution and Bill of Rights mean what it is they say are somehow un-American?  The Confederates were probably called traitors and told that they hated their country, etc.  But who was really in the right and who was really in the wrong?  If we mean to fight a ware, then a war should be declared.  If we mean to have politicians look good for the cameras, then it's time for all of us to become more un-American.  I don't like what is being done in my name.  It's un-American to be a gun owner now, if the number of ATF raids and all the social engineering going in is any indication.  

We need more traitors.  We need more Americans who are fed up with the lousy way our country has been run into the ground to come forward and speak their minds.  I don't like all the lefty, hippie idolatry and attendant peace nonsense that I've seen around UNC and other places here in NC.  But you have to understand that those people aren't completely wrong.  They know they don't go along with our government, they just don't have any grasp of what solutions are really workable and what ones are not.  They have been brought up brainwashed, worshipping the state and it is going to take another big event in their own hometowns to bring them back to reality.  Then watch how many join the secession movement if the clowns in DC don't get their act together.  The left is full of "useful idiots."  It's time that lovers of freedom and liberty started making use of them.  They only have power because of the huge bureaucracies that have been created to instituionalize their way of thinking.  End those and the cake-eaters are finished.

I posted this link in another thread:

[url]http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/miller2.html[/url]

It has a ton of truth in it, and as you can see, the call to eliminate the BATF and other things we all hate dovetails nicely with the beliefs of many people on this here board.  Not a lefty control-freak plan in any way.

It isn't un-American to want to stay out of a war that is only going to lead to WWIII.  If we are all dead, we can't enjoy freedom.  Getting even with terrorists can wait.  If we don't get our own house in order first, worse attacks are going to take place.

Call me a troll if you want, but don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.  6000 deaths is terrible.  6 million would be even worse.  Or 300 million for that matter.  Which do you prefer?  What the hell do you think McVeigh and Co. were trying to tell us?  We're all going to be vaporized unless we can stop the ratcheting of government.  A 90% defense reduction is probably too much, but how about 50%?  And stop fighting the Cold War and start taking care of our borders and training more SpecOps people to do the dirty anti-terror work that needs to be done right now.  

 

Gee, if they hate America so much, why don't they leave?

I believe that such troublemakers are called "carpetbaggers" in the South.

The UNC student newspaper just ran an article about this whole situation today.  You should all check it out.

[url]http://www.dailytarheel.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2001/09/28/3bb46afc912a6[/url]

For my part, I just introduced Mr. Chancellor to Shooter's World.  [devil]

For all you weak-willed apologists who are trying to prop up these sacks of shit,
[url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=55923&page=1[/url]

You mindless fucks can just line up behind W. then because you were afraid and were unaccustomed to THINKING FOR YOURSELVES. Disagreement is not traitorous. Cowardice arms himself to the teeth and sleeps trembling with his finger on the trigger.


I am not scared of Moslems. I am scared of an all-powerful government run by the rich and privileged that decide when the poor will fight and spill their blood to defend them.

You mindless fucks can just line up behind W. then because you were afraid and were unaccustomed to THINKING FOR YOURSELVES. Disagreement is not traitorous. Cowardice arms himself to the teeth and sleeps trembling with his finger on the trigger.


I am not scared of Moslems. I am scared of an all-powerful government run by the rich and privileged that decide when the poor will fight and spill their blood to defend them.

That was an utterly mindless and immature thing to say.  Stop listening to "Rage Against the Machine" for a minute and smell the shit this world has to offer.

Pacifism [size=6][b]always[/b][/size=6] leads to bondage.  True peace can only be attained through true military strength and resolve.

Oh wait, I have an opinion that is different from yours.  Am I not thinking for myself?

Anybody might sleep soundly, but be awakened suddenly during the night with nothing to defend himself.

Only a monumental fool sleeps with his finger on the trigger.  

Hmm... I'm not going to waste my time bickering on this thread.  I got this funny feeling in my stomach that I will never be in a fighting hole defending my country with TheBeesKnees or grimshaw.  Just a little feeling.  Or maybe the feeling is from to much running?

Smalls

LCpl of Marines

 I'll fight when there is cause.I read a lot of idiots venting rage on this page, and one or two guys that have stood in the smoke afterwards and looked at what happened. Most guys that talk about shedding blood for this country have yet to prick their finger for America and it shows. Fight when you have no other choice, strike first and continue to strike until the enemy is totally defeated. If its not necessary to fight,then negotiate peace. keep your word,keep your peace. EXALT truth and justice. In the case of Bin Ladin he is defeated if we can imprison him. Kill him and all Moslems become Osama.

You have just insulted about 99.7% of the Muslim population.

I think a quick strike or total destruction is wrong.  I would hope that we would wait,  find out where they are hiding and figure out the best way to take out the terrorist groups.  I do not believe all Moslems are bad.  But if a Moslem or Christian or whoever wants to do something like this to us they should be dealt with with prejudice.  We need to figure out the best way to stop these things from happening again.  Who really knows what the best thing is to do?  God does.  Too bad we don't.

I just don't want to fight with other board members.  I like to express my views, but it seems lately that some members post with a lot of passion.  That can be expected, after all of us are able to sort out this mass amount of information that comes in daily will we be able to respond with a clear and conscious response.

Smalls

LCpl of Marines

I agree with your sentiments, but as a public University, they are tied to certain rules.  Taxpayer funds may not be used to further political activism on campus.  The problem has been misidentified as a first amendment issue.  Public funds should not be used for these activities, anymore than public funds should be used to fund Christian evangelism.

Of course I disagree with those whackos as well...

Who did? If it was me, Sorry. Didn't mean to hurt your feelings, there Moslem guys. Would airdropping them lots of porn be offensive? I came up with this idea today, try it. We drop a Lot of porn to the Taliban. Millions of magazines. Some guys will keep it even though to look at it could mean death. Then they execute a lot of their own guys, maybe chop off some hands(trigger finger is now gone). We would use this as a first strike.It actually wouldn't cost much because we could use old porn. The rest of the Taliban after that would be busy chasing GINCH. Forgot where you left your rifle again?

I am not a Muslim or am offended in any way.  Someone could say to me, "Execute Tim McVeigh, and all Christians will become terrorists."

That would display a startling ignorance of the Christian religion.  My point was that most Muslims find what OBL did to be horrible.

End of point.

I like the porn idea!  Of course that would make them as madder than a limited ground war would.  

I disagree with about everything the panel members said, as quoted in the Fronpage e-zine article.

You are right.  Public funds should not be used to further political activism on campus.

But we dom't KNOW that public funds WERE used, unless somebody posted some evidence that I missed.

The "leech-in", oops, I meant "teach-in", was held in the Student Union, from what I can tell.

I have close contact with a Student Union manager in a different state.  When people or a club, like "Bleeding Heart Faculty Members for the Revision of History" use a room, they pay.
There may be exceptions, but if you really want to know, e-mail the chancellor.

Faculty salaries?  I would imagine they did this on their own time.

Use of the faculty/staff newsletter to announce the event?  I don't think that counts as "furtherance" in any material way.

The also announced that the "Branchettes" (?)will sing gospel outside one of the buildings tomorrow.  Big deal.

I don't know about North Carolina, but my state has an access law that allows public buildings to be used by non-profit groups.   I would imagine the PFN is a non-profit organization, and wouldn't be surprised if there is a similar access law in North Carolina.


It was that PRK law which keeps the gun shows going at a state building (Cow Palace) and which let the cub scouts continue to meet in schools when people were trying to kick out scouts of any kind because their stand on gays and being 'morally straight'.  It also permitted the NAMBLA preverts to use a library building, so it cuts both ways.


It appears that UNC is hosting the PFN website
[url]http://www.unc.edu/depts/pfn/[/url]
But I suppose its possible they pay the university a fee - I would hope they do.

Anyway, if someone has some facts about public money actually being used in the activism, by all means post it.  Otherwise, we shouldn't assume it to be the case.

Perhaps, DK-Prof.  I was not pointing to a rule per se, but there are certain types of activities that are not only not hosted by the University, but are actually banned from campus.  We don't need to go into those here, but conservative type stuff comes to mind.

Allowing students the use of facilities, power, staff, and materials can constitute state sponsorship.  This may not be illegal, but it is ethically repugnant to forcibly take my money and use it to further political ends that I do not endorse.  It is the same thing that unions do, and I hate it.

I don't know if the University sponsored this event in any way or not.  If they didn't I am glad.

Still, it is sad to see unbridled Anti-Americanism alive on these college campuses.

Perhaps Rush is right.  All Universities should keep at least 2 extremely liberal professors around to remind the rest of the world just how wacky these people are.

I agree with you also about laws cutting both ways.  National ID cards for instance can (perhaps) be used to weed out terrorism, but what happens then?  What if all of a sudden they decide to start weeding out you?  I was also not in favor of censorship or decency standards on the internet.  This was a hot topic a few years ago.  Sure they might get rid of some pretty sick stuff, but what happens when the authorities suddenly decide that your social life is detrimental to their society?

I argued for hours with my sister-in-law about this...  "Porn is bad, and it should be banned!"  she said.  "OK", I said, "But what if they decide that the Bible is bad.  That same law could make you a criminal.  It is better to change the hearts of men, than to enact laws and prohibitions."

[Quote BEESKNEES][B] the fact is, Palestinians allowed exiled Jews to come to Palestine in the early 1900's. they lived in peace. when WWII came around, Jews flooded Palestine, because it was their holy land and because the Palestinians welcomed them in the past. soon, they took over virtually all business and property (as well as the government), and muslims became a minority... they were KICKED OUT OF THEIR OWN LAND[/END QUOTE][/B]

Yeah, that's a partial history. There's more though. The fact that Jews originally were possessors of the land later called Palestine before Arabs moved in. The Jews were attacked and carried out of their own homes Centuries before Christ.

Interesting question: These exiled Jews returning to their "Holy Land" came from other places... why would they move to another land en masse and call it "their" holy land?