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Posted: 9/20/2001 6:21:29 PM EDT
Flat out Amazing, And full of hugs too. I can honestly say as of tonight any doubts about him have evaporated in this cause. Got a little teary at times too. My heart is just pumping Red White and Blue right now. Proud to be American! Zaz
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:32:57 PM EDT
what zazou said!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:34:53 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:39:49 PM EDT
he kicked ass. He's normally stiff in prepared speeches, but he was relaxed, focused, and determined. "We have seen their kind before. They are the heirs of all the murderous ideologies of the twentieth century. By sacrificing human life to serve their radical visions -- by abandoning every value except the will to power -- they follow in the path of fascism, and Nazism, and totalitarianism. And they will follow that path all the way, to where it ends: in history's unmarked grave of discarded lies. "
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:43:02 PM EDT
As soon as he walked into the room I said to my wife that he looked to be a changed man. I've never heard such a good speech come out of him. The words rolled out with dignity and determination. This is one that will be remembered for ever.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:43:55 PM EDT
Proud to say I voted for him !
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:45:03 PM EDT
"We have seen their kind before. They are the heirs of all the murderous ideologies of the twentieth century. By sacrificing human life to serve their radical visions -- by abandoning every value except the will to power -- they follow in the path of fascism, and Nazism, and totalitarianism. And they will follow that path all the way, to where it ends: in history's unmarked grave of discarded lies. "
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This is a history maker! Zaz
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:47:39 PM EDT
When he lives up to all the high ideals he laid out tonight, then I might agree. His actions tell a different story. And where the hell is Cheney? I don't buy the "separate from the president for security reasons" nonsense. Heart attack? Mr. Bush should first come clean about what really happened to Flight 93 in PA. I might then respect him. Last week, Cheney all but admitted that they shot it down "Bush gave the order". The people who called in reported "a puff of smoke out on the wing" and debris landed "8 miles from the crash site". The FBI reports that the black box(es) were too far damaged to obtain anything useful and that they were sent back to the manufacturer to see what they can do with them (yeah, like erase them or put fake evidence on them like they did with Flight 800 perhaps?). I want to believe that the passengers died valiantly, but I don't. All evidence points to a coverup. I'll bet some F-16 pilot gets killed soon, if he is not already deceased. And while I agree that shooting the plane down was absolutely necessary, lying about it and covering up what really took place is not. I have grave doubts about our nation's leadership. Grave doubts.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:49:27 PM EDT
I'll say it again, Thank God for George Bush! Can you imagine if gore were in office? Makes me sudder to think about it! My only concern is that some future administration will use the war on terrorism to take away our freedoms. I'm comforted for now by the fact that a short while ago the Bush Admin reaffirmed our second ammendment rights thru the Justice Dept and sending our delegation to the UN to tell them where to put their gun control plans.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:52:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/20/2001 7:03:18 PM EDT by zazou]
Originally Posted By trickshot: And where the hell is Cheney? I don't buy the "separate from the president for security reasons" nonsense. Heart attack? Mr. Bush should first come clean about what really happened to Flight 93 in PA. I might then respect him. Last week, Cheney all but admitted that they shot it down "Bush gave the order". The people who called in reported "a puff of smoke out on the wing" and debris landed "8 miles from the crash site". The FBI reports that the black box(es) were too far damaged to obtain anything useful and that they were sent back to the manufacturer to see what they can do with them (yeah, like erase them or put fake evidence on them like they did with Flight 800 perhaps?). I want to believe that the passengers died valiantly, but I don't. All evidence points to a coverup. I'll bet some F-16 pilot gets killed soon, if he is not already deceased. And while I agree that shooting the plane down was absolutely necessary, lying about it and covering up what really took place is not. I have grave doubts about our nation's leadership. Grave doubts.
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As a Libertarian concerned for your mental sanity and stability I an sending you some Reynolds Wrap by FedEx Next Day Air. Use liberally. Makes a great derby! tracking number; 1Z 505 125 11 0104 557 3 Zaz "Libertarian. Proud of Bush"
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:57:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By trickshot: When he lives up to all the high ideals he laid out tonight, then I might agree. His actions tell a different story. And where the hell is Cheney? I don't buy the "separate from the president for security reasons" nonsense. Heart attack? Mr. Bush should first come clean about what really happened to Flight 93 in PA. I might then respect him. Last week, Cheney all but admitted that they shot it down "Bush gave the order". The people who called in reported "a puff of smoke out on the wing" and debris landed "8 miles from the crash site". The FBI reports that the black box(es) were too far damaged to obtain anything useful and that they were sent back to the manufacturer to see what they can do with them (yeah, like erase them or put fake evidence on them like they did with Flight 800 perhaps?). I want to believe that the passengers died valiantly, but I don't. All evidence points to a coverup. I'll bet some F-16 pilot gets killed soon, if he is not already deceased. And while I agree that shooting the plane down was absolutely necessary, lying about it and covering up what really took place is not. I have grave doubts about our nation's leadership. Grave doubts.
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Thank God for America and all that she stands for, even the liberty to hold and express opinions as ignorant as that. What a moron.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 7:00:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/20/2001 6:59:52 PM EDT by PitViper]
I have grave doubts about our nation's leadership. Grave doubts.
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Oh, puhhhhleeze. Mayhaps you'd prefer X42 or Gore be handling this situation? No? Allllllrighty then....
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 7:01:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By trickshot: When he lives up to all the high ideals he laid out tonight, then I might agree. His actions tell a different story. And where the hell is Cheney? I don't buy the "separate from the president for security reasons" nonsense. Heart attack? Mr. Bush should first come clean about what really happened to Flight 93 in PA. I might then respect him. Last week, Cheney all but admitted that they shot it down "Bush gave the order". The people who called in reported "a puff of smoke out on the wing" and debris landed "8 miles from the crash site". The FBI reports that the black box(es) were too far damaged to obtain anything useful and that they were sent back to the manufacturer to see what they can do with them (yeah, like erase them or put fake evidence on them like they did with Flight 800 perhaps?). I want to believe that the passengers died valiantly, but I don't. All evidence points to a coverup. I'll bet some F-16 pilot gets killed soon, if he is not already deceased. And while I agree that shooting the plane down was absolutely necessary, lying about it and covering up what really took place is not. I have grave doubts about our nation's leadership. Grave doubts.
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What the Hell? Are you serious? Don't be lame. Get behind your country. George W. Bush won the election, and he is doing fine. It is tough to argue that any one could be doing better. Give out names. No one else could've gotten elected, and he has utterly reversed the course of the C-----n presidency. All this during good economic times! Call me naive, but I think we can trust the man a little!
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 8:01:19 PM EDT
I have never been prouder to be an American as when I heard President George W Bush speak this evening. I've mistakingly not voted in previous elections, but felt compelled to vote for Bush in order to guarantee our constitutional rights. I have zero regrets for casting my vote for this man. Chuck Shumer and Hillary Clinton were furious that he has stole the spot light from them, as seen on their faces in the crowd, because all of the Democratic rhetoric and nonsensical bureacracy has gone straight down the drain!
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 8:06:15 PM EDT
President Bush was outstanding tonight and I do believe that the man is on a mission. He may not have written that speach alone, but he was as serious as he could be about what he had to say and meant every word of it.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 8:17:09 PM EDT
It was a great speach. He shows leadership abilities and charisma when he wants to. The real tests are yet to be seen.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 8:18:34 PM EDT
IF an American fighter shot down that plane, there would be no reason to hide it at all. In fact, the pilot would have been awarded a high medal, if not The Medal. The nation would have been asked to pray for him, and the difficult task he was forced to do. The President would have come forward and said what a terrible thing he was forced to do, and ask us for our prayers too. Fighters were scrambled to shoot down those hijacked planes, and if they were able to get up sooner, they would have shot them all down. Only a complete moron would try and make something stupid out of this.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 8:31:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By trickshot: And where the hell is Cheney? I don't buy the "separate from the president for security reasons" nonsense. Heart attack? Mr. Bush should first come clean about what really happened to Flight 93 in PA. I might then respect him. Last week, Cheney all but admitted that they shot it down "Bush gave the order". The people who called in reported "a puff of smoke out on the wing" and debris landed "8 miles from the crash site". The FBI reports that the black box(es) were too far damaged to obtain anything useful and that they were sent back to the manufacturer to see what they can do with them (yeah, like erase them or put fake evidence on them like they did with Flight 800 perhaps?). I want to believe that the passengers died valiantly, but I don't. All evidence points to a coverup. I'll bet some F-16 pilot gets killed soon, if he is not already deceased. And while I agree that shooting the plane down was absolutely necessary, lying about it and covering up what really took place is not.
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For pete's sake, man. How do you go through life with all that tinfoil weighing you down???
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 8:39:26 PM EDT
[img]http://www.old-hippie.com/graphics_files/ani/flags/flag.gif[/img] ... I'm very proud to live in America
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 9:16:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/20/2001 9:18:37 PM EDT by rlitt]
Much as I hate to say it, George Bush was amazing with his delivery of speech; however, much of the real credit goes towards his speech writers. TRICKSHOT: I concur with you 110%. I, too, heard numerous reports were passenger telephoned saying they heard an explosion follow by seeing smoke. Common sense would dictate NO WAY IN HELL anyone could live to hear an explosion much less seeing smoke if the plane had crashed on impact, as claimed by the government. The fact that the black box couldn't shred any detail is even more disconcerting.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 9:33:03 PM EDT
Why does it even matter? If the plane was seized by terrorists, then it posed a bigger threat in the air to Americans than it did if it was shot down. What's done is done.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 9:41:54 PM EDT
Agree with rlitt; much credit for the actual words go to the speech writers. Still, it did seem that Bush rose to a new level of confidence and almost seemed to relish the elevated approval of his leadership. I voted for him, and he's proving himself so far in my eyes. Right on! [soapbox]
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 10:06:27 PM EDT
I heard on TV Bush ordered it shot down, but the fighters didn't make it in time. If this is so, he has nothing to hide. His speech was excellent. I hope the sheeple have the stomach for it.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 10:56:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RichinCM: Why does it even matter? If the plane was seized by terrorists, then it posed a bigger threat in the air to Americans than it did if it was shot down. What's done is done.
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I agree. To some of the others what would [b]YOU[/b] have done. Let the plane fly into a populated area only to kill hundreds or thousands more? The people on that plane were doomed the minute the terrorists took control. IMO [b]IF[/b] they shot it down they most likely prevented more innciont lives from being lost.[uzi]
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 11:12:47 PM EDT
Bush is the man
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 11:14:34 PM EDT
First of all, when the terrorists took over the plane, they claimed to have a bomb. Need I say more?? Thanks GOD Gore lost the election.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 11:56:58 PM EDT
Why did you guys respond to trickshot? Dont feed the trolls.
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 12:11:46 AM EDT
I thought it was just an ok speech. He told people what they wanted to hear and I guess that is all that matters at this point.
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 1:21:28 AM EDT
I thought it was good. I stand behind our President 110%. Tyler
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 1:34:52 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 2:28:27 AM EDT
Mark this period in time, everyone. Whatever happens beyond this point, let it be remembered that George W. Bush looked straight at a hostile foreign power and extended his middle finger. No 'negotiations', no cowardly cruise missile attacks, just looked'em square in the eye and said "we're coming." It's been years since I've seen those kinds of kahunas click down the halls of the White House, or any other Capitol building for that matter. To all of the apologists, conspiracy theorists, and just plain ignorant sheep in this country, I hope you enjoy the benefits that the blood of this nation is going to buy you. May God Bless us, May we Bless Him, and Mr. President, [red][size=6]HOOYAH![/red][/size=6]
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 2:33:09 AM EDT
Originally Posted By trickshot: When he lives up to all the high ideals he laid out tonight, then I might agree. His actions tell a different story. And where the hell is Cheney? I don't buy the "separate from the president for security reasons" nonsense. Heart attack? Mr. Bush should first come clean about what really happened to Flight 93 in PA. I might then respect him. Last week, Cheney all but admitted that they shot it down "Bush gave the order". The people who called in reported "a puff of smoke out on the wing" and debris landed "8 miles from the crash site". The FBI reports that the black box(es) were too far damaged to obtain anything useful and that they were sent back to the manufacturer to see what they can do with them (yeah, like erase them or put fake evidence on them like they did with Flight 800 perhaps?). I want to believe that the passengers died valiantly, but I don't. All evidence points to a coverup. I'll bet some F-16 pilot gets killed soon, if he is not already deceased. And while I agree that shooting the plane down was absolutely necessary, lying about it and covering up what really took place is not. I have grave doubts about our nation's leadership. Grave doubts.
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Tell ya what, Tarheel. If I ever find out you're on my six, expect friendly fire in the name of the gene pool. Flame on. shooter
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 4:07:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/21/2001 4:07:37 AM EDT by garandman]
EVEN IF the PA plane was shot down by US fighter jets, it was the right call. AND a tough call. The kind of call a Gore NEVER would have made. And we would now be talking about a THIRD US landmark in ruins. With how many thousands MORE dead. Leadership is NOT making the easy calls - like going after bin Laden. Leadership IS making the tough calls - like CHOOSING between shooting down a US airliner with 100 on board, or watching it crash into D.C. killing 100's or 1000's.
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 4:36:20 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/21/2001 4:48:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Imbroglio: I thought it was just an ok speech. He told people what they wanted to hear and I guess that is all that matters at this point.
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ROFL! Talk about damning with faint praise...
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 5:15:00 AM EDT
I'm with those who compared President Bush's speech with Roosevelt's after Pearl Harbor was bombed - I think it was even more stirring. No matter who took part in writing it, GW delivered it in a manner that made me proud to be an American. I don't know who decided to pan the cameras over to Shumer & Hillary to get their reaction to the President's words. At first, I was offended that someone thought any of us should give a shit how she was reacting - but after thinking about it for a few minutes, I'm glad they showed her facial expressions - anyone out there have any doubt about how shallow a person she really is, after seeing the way she looked? I used to believe that no one could disgust me more than Bill, but I'm thinking that Hillary might be capable of it.
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 5:40:21 AM EDT
Originally Posted By flatlander: I'm with those who compared President Bush's speech with Roosevelt's after Pearl Harbor was bombed - I think it was even more stirring. No matter who took part in writing it, GW delivered it in a manner that made me proud to be an American. I don't know who decided to pan the cameras over to Shumer & Hillary to get their reaction to the President's words. At first, I was offended that someone thought any of us should give a shit how she was reacting - but after thinking about it for a few minutes, I'm glad they showed her facial expressions - anyone out there have any doubt about how shallow a person she really is, after seeing the way she looked? I used to believe that no one could disgust me more than Bill, but I'm thinking that Hillary might be capable of it.
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Shumer and Hillary are true Socialists, BEWARE!
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 5:42:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By trickshot: When he lives up to all the high ideals he laid out tonight, then I might agree. His actions tell a different story. And where the hell is Cheney? I don't buy the "separate from the president for security reasons" nonsense. Heart attack? Mr. Bush should first come clean about what really happened to Flight 93 in PA. I might then respect him. Last week, Cheney all but admitted that they shot it down "Bush gave the order". The people who called in reported "a puff of smoke out on the wing" and debris landed "8 miles from the crash site". The FBI reports that the black box(es) were too far damaged to obtain anything useful and that they were sent back to the manufacturer to see what they can do with them (yeah, like erase them or put fake evidence on them like they did with Flight 800 perhaps?). I want to believe that the passengers died valiantly, but I don't. All evidence points to a coverup. I'll bet some F-16 pilot gets killed soon, if he is not already deceased. And while I agree that shooting the plane down was absolutely necessary, lying about it and covering up what really took place is not. I have grave doubts about our nation's leadership. Grave doubts.
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What planet are you from? Just wondering...
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 7:06:35 AM EDT
Trickshot needs to try and not read so much into events and attack before knowing why. It reminds me of a reporter that takes liberties with a story inorder to make it sound more shocking to increase his/her pocketbook. No such pat on the back here! First,It is not wise to have the President and Vice President in the same location when we are at the state of alert we are currently in, not to mention the location to be advertised across the Nation before hand. This is why they remained in separate locations after the attacks on the 11th. Second, putting into prospective your comment about the plane being shot down. Yes it is standard procedure to scramble military fighters when any domestic flight is hijacked. If the situation is where a passenger plane was just flown into a structure that was occupied by thousands, not to mention two or three such structures and caused many more times the deaths than those of the number of passengers on board than it is possible that procedure dictate that such a plane would be shot down if it neared the capitol where it could destroy most of this Nations leadership and effect this country in an unimaginable way not to mention the death toll. After the attacks when fighters were escorting planes to airports, the civilian pilots were advised not to stray from their flight paths. What do you think that meant,.........If you steer toward a building we will have to pull you out of the way with our ACME Magnet we bought from the coyote.Todd's 911 phone call was recorded by the 911 operator who recently spoke with his wife during a televised interview and recapped the conversation. Third, as for the cruise missile you deemed "cowardly". That is one of many tactical advantages that we have at our disposal. I make use of whatever tactical advantage that I have. Had you rather have a key target deep inside a heavily defended area be assaulted by hundreds of regular troops and their support personnel and cost us numerous casualties and loss of valuable equipment because it seemed more fair than sending in a cruise missile that is the most cost effective way to get the job done in terms of human life and equipment. This is not a movie this is the real world. If you encounter some one that poses a deadly threat armed with a single shot .22 pistol would you evaluate it and put your AR15 down in favor of your Ruger Buckmark because it seems uncowardly and manly like the movie you watched last night. Gimme a break. This is nothing personal but an attack on that type of reasoning. I do not consider rumors as fact and post my comments about them. I also try to think before I speak. My opinion!
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 7:09:32 AM EDT
BTT
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 1:36:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RikWriter:
Originally Posted By Imbroglio: I thought it was just an ok speech. He told people what they wanted to hear and I guess that is all that matters at this point.
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ROFL! Talk about damning with faint praise...
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Now come on, Rik. That is the most positive post he has ever made.
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