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Posted: 9/20/2001 5:32:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/21/2001 5:50:33 AM EDT by Grundsau]
Bush just announced Pa's Governor as director of Homeland Defense. Not sure what this is gonna mean.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 5:38:29 PM EDT
Hopefully the issuance of your rifle of choice and as much ammo as you wish with paid time off to train as a marksman. A fella can dream can't he?
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 5:43:31 PM EDT
Yeah, maybe he'll remember his Pennsy boys when the time comes. Or, our Liberties are going to be under fire. Even though I voted for Bush, I hope this doesn't mean we trade Liberty for a little temporary safety.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:11:42 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:17:48 PM EDT
Someone give us the scoop on him!
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:19:55 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:20:20 PM EDT
I don't know that much about Tom Ridge other than the NRA gave him a A rating. I heard he is pro gun, although I believe he voted for the ban on assualt rifles in 94'.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:28:26 PM EDT
This really scares me. Ridge is Republican in Name Only, think Arlen Spector. Rep Bonion(D) just praised him. He also wrote the 94 Crime Bill. I don't trust him, this newly created office, and neither should you.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:29:13 PM EDT
We need to petition him to bring the CMP into the light and get more people shooting evil black guns "for the children." [:)] Seriously, I see the CMP as a great way to train people in essential marksmanship in the event of the need for defense by the citizens on domestic land and to insure freedom and safety. God Bless Texas
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:31:45 PM EDT
Better ? might be is who takes his place in PA
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:32:31 PM EDT
I think he's progun to a point and has stated he doen't like SUR's in the past. He's a moderate middle of the roader and did get our bloomin taxes down after what Casey did to us years ago. He's got my respect being a vet and could be a lot worse. It could have been Chuckie Schumer. [:D] Maybe he'l have a different take on guns now. Hopefully...
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:35:25 PM EDT
Are there any links to what Tom Ridge's history has been regarding RKBA? Please post them.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:36:14 PM EDT
To add, he may be progun because Pennsy has about 1 million hunters per the PA Game Commission's estimates.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:39:40 PM EDT
My question is WHY? Is he giving up his position at Governor? Was he being term-limited out? Do we get to appoint another Governor? Why would a guy give up a perfectly good job as Governor?
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:42:17 PM EDT
He's at the end of his 2nd term. He was up for a cabinet position in Bush's admin but didn't accept.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:42:33 PM EDT
As Governor, he's been neither pro nor anti RKBA. He's a career politico, with all the baggage that entails. Now that he's chief of Internal Security it just means that you'll be asked "Papers, please" that much sooner. That cabinet position is the beginning of the end for our rights, especially those enumerated in the Bill of Rights.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:45:18 PM EDT
This site [url]http://www.nauticom.net/www/acsl/[/url] (Allegheny County Sportsmen's League) may have some info on Ridge's record on guns.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:50:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/20/2001 6:50:35 PM EDT by CIB]
Well, looks like you guys had the same take as I on this new Office of Homeland Defense. I don't like it one bit. This will be the dept. that keeps tabs on all you guys with arsenals.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:52:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/20/2001 7:17:10 PM EDT by dragracerart]
This jackass Ridge is nothing more than an undercover Democrat... You PA guys remember when our Vehicle registration costs tripled ??? Guess who the asshole was that made it happen at the stroke of a pen... (I don't forget shit that hits me DIRECTLY in my pocket) I suppose you fellow PA guys are also aware of the ILLEGAL registry of gun purchases and owners kept by the PA state police ??? Guess who is in bed with the PA state police... Yep... Tom Ridge is just fucking great...
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 7:07:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/20/2001 7:06:53 PM EDT by Grundsau]
dragracecart, thanks for jogging my memory. Here is a link to info on a lawsuit against Ridge by the ASCL. [url]http://www.nauticom.net/www/acsl/register/registration.html[/url] Didn't the NRA give Algore an "A" rating once?
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 7:08:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By dragracerart:This jackass Ridge is nothing more than an undercover Democrat... You PA guys remember when our Vehicle registration costs tripled ??? Guess who the asshole was that made it happen... I suppose you fellow PA guys are also aware of the ILLEGAL registry of gun purchases and owners kept by the PA state police ??? Guess who is in bed with the PA state police... Yep... Tom Ridge is just fucking great...
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Amen! Lt. Gov Schweicker will become Governor until the next election for Governor(which is next year).
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 7:37:25 PM EDT
One thing to remember...the LACK of an Office of Homeland Security didn't keep Clinton from going after our guns. I don't think its presence makes that much of a difference.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 11:03:03 PM EDT
The "Office of Homeland Defense" was something dreamt up by the klinton administration in 98 or 99 and hardly got any press coverage. IIRC this agency was to have under it's command a "rapid reaction force" comprised of feds and or military for use INSIDE the U.S. I will have to do some digging to see if I can find those articles again.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 11:40:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Imbroglio: The "Office of Homeland Defense" was something dreamt up by the klinton administration in 98 or 99 and hardly got any press coverage. IIRC this agency was to have under it's command a "rapid reaction force" comprised of feds and or military for use INSIDE the U.S. I will have to do some digging to see if I can find those articles again.
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After that kind of insinuation you had better!!
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 12:19:48 AM EDT
You know something, IF I find those articles and post them here, I will just be the subject of "tin foil hat" and "black helicopter" bullshit from the usual suspects. Why the hell should I even bother anymore. I hope all of this shit comes down and the U.S. becomes a police state that would make Hitler proud. Some of you people deserve it.
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 12:31:09 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Imbroglio: You know something, IF I find those articles and post them here, I will just be the subject of "tin foil hat" and "black helicopter" bullshit from the usual suspects. Why the hell should I even bother anymore. I hope all of this shit comes down and the U.S. becomes a police state that would make Hitler proud. Some of you people deserve it.
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I hope they deploy a rapid reactionary force to help you pull your big head out of your ass.
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 12:39:15 AM EDT
It would take entire Army Corps of Engineers to get your head out of sand.
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 12:51:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Imbroglio: It would take entire Army Corps of Engineers to get your head out of sand.
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Coming from someone who's shown his own awareness by spending the better part of 3600+ post lamenting his love life, only owning a .38 and a 10/22, and plucking coins from mall fountains, I'll be sure to place appropriate weight on that.
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 1:00:57 AM EDT
Do whatever you want. You are of no concern to me anymore.
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 1:06:45 AM EDT
Snappy comeback. Typically lacking in substance, though.
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 4:56:09 AM EDT
Plucking coins from mall fountains?
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 5:48:37 AM EDT
[b]This jackass Ridge is nothing more than an undercover Democrat...[/b] dragracecart: You hit the nail on the head. I should spank myself for not knowing some of the things you mentioned and what I found at these links. Some things never see the light of day here in the Reading area. Analysis on Ridge: [url]http://www.hhi.com/foac/ridge/Ridge_new_982.html[/url] This is an email response that I received from the ACSL: [i]To: acsl@nauticom.net Subject: Gov. Ridge: Record on Guns Hello, In light of Gov Ridge being selected as Director for Homeland Defense, can you tell me or refer me to a source for his record on firearms? Thanks, Mr. Schaeffer, You can visit our web site at: [url]http://www.hhi.com/foac/[/url] for a full background on Tom Ridge. [b]His appointment will result in a serious problem for the cause of individual liberties.[/b] You can also visit the ACSL's web site on our law suit against Tom Ridge. [url] http://www.nauticom.net/www/acsl/register/registration.html[/url] Also visit our web site on Tom Ridge's fight to prevent a legislative compliance audit on the Pennsylvania Instant Check System. [url]http://www.nauticom.net/www/acsl/alerts/alert_no_2_SB%201444.htm[/url] If you have any other questions we will be happy to get the answer for you. Mike Slavonic Chairman, Legislative Committee [url]http://www.nauticom.net/www/acsl/[/url][/i]
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 6:11:28 AM EDT
Imbroglio, I'd like to see that info.
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 5:47:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/21/2001 5:56:34 PM EDT by dragracerart]
Originally Posted By Grundsau: [b]This jackass Ridge is nothing more than an undercover Democrat...[/b] dragracecart: You hit the nail on the head. I should spank myself for not knowing some of the things you mentioned and what I found at these links. Some things never see the light of day here in the Reading area.
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READING AREA ???? WHEREABOUTS ???? ....I'm in the Reading area too.... (Mt.Penn) I've met-up/shot with several AR-15.com members in the last several months... (Shaggy, Paspecops, DavidC, 7, FattyM4, Libertyof76, FrankSquid...) Did I mention Shaggy ??? [:)] Everybody want's to be his friend. (He's the spoiled kid on the block with ALL the COOL toys) [frag][50][pistol][pyro][rail][rocket][shotgu­n][heavy][uzi][sniper] Where have you been ? Drop me an E-mail... We might know each other... Myself and several buddies get together pretty regularly, and waste massive amounts of ammo... Usually at least once a month, sometimes 3X a month... Depends on the weather & enthusiasm... All are welcome... Edited to illustrate Shaggy's small collection...[rolleyes]
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 7:13:12 PM EDT
Hey drag, Boyertown boy here, used to live in Birdsboro....now livin in VA. Godd bless Yuengling Beer and Sturgis Pretzles! Bulldog Out (now once)
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 7:25:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By bulldog1967: Hey drag, Boyertown boy here, used to live in Birdsboro....now livin in VA. Godd bless Yuengling Beer and Sturgis Pretzles! Bulldog Out (now once)
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You mean... "NAW VUNST" ??? [beer] ...Sorry, don't know any PA dutch.
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 8:39:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Grundsau: Imbroglio, I'd like to see that info.
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Do a search on Worldnetdaily.com about "homeland defense" you will find an article from 1999 there. It only mentions the national guard units being trained for NBC, called RAID teams IIRC. The article that will be harder to find is the 2500 man "rapid response force" composed of fed agents that was to be under control of the U.S. Attorney General.
Link Posted: 9/22/2001 12:38:02 AM EDT
Well Imb, I'd appreciate documentation. You've never failed in the past...your memory is rather superior to most. PossumKiller sans tinfoil
Link Posted: 9/22/2001 12:58:16 AM EDT
I'm from Pottsville, and currently in TX. Jim
Link Posted: 9/22/2001 1:03:29 AM EDT
Oh, and Imbroglio is 100% correct. Homeland Defense circa 1999 deals with the aftermath of an attack, and is not pre-emptive or predictive in nature. Jim
Link Posted: 9/22/2001 2:18:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/22/2001 2:17:25 AM EDT by Stealth]
I just heard on Fox (for what it's worth), that he was appointed a cabinet level position, and and not a cabinet post. Thus, some of the my fear of him creating a beauracracy that outlives it's usefulness is null. Still, "Homeland defence" reeks of gun control and the stifleing of all rights. We need to kick terrorist ass, not condemn Americans for being true to the ideals of the original Americans.
Link Posted: 9/22/2001 4:25:43 AM EDT
dragracecart, you have mail. Neighbor. [:D] Glad to see some other local folks on here.
Link Posted: 9/22/2001 5:05:33 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Stealth: I just heard on Fox (for what it's worth), that he was appointed a cabinet level position, and and not a cabinet post. Thus, some of the my fear of him creating a beauracracy that outlives it's usefulness is null. Still, "Homeland defence" reeks of gun control and the stifleing of all rights. We need to kick terrorist ass, not condemn Americans for being true to the ideals of the original Americans.
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It was either other memebers of the cabinet or Congress who said that they wanted it to be a permanent cabinet position. God Bless Texas
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