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Posted: 9/16/2001 3:28:26 PM EDT
I had been storing my ammo cans on some Home Depot plastic shelfs. The shelves were bowing in the middle due to the weight of the ammo cans. Also, there was too much space beween the shelves. So, I bought some 2x4's and came up with the below picture. I'll have to build another one because I can only get 26 ammo cans on this rack. I'll need another 3-4 shelf one for my leftover cans and future cans. 36" wide and 10" high between shelves. Tell me what you think about it. [:D] [img]wsphotofews.excite.com/037/oJ/GT/IS/ba70753.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 9/16/2001 3:33:07 PM EDT
Got Ammo? Nice!
Link Posted: 9/16/2001 3:45:32 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/16/2001 3:46:47 PM EDT
Far too organized.
Link Posted: 9/16/2001 3:49:28 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/16/2001 3:52:04 PM EDT
Post deatils on the dimensions & hardware used. I need to make just this. Scott
Link Posted: 9/16/2001 3:53:27 PM EDT
Yes, you have too much time on your hands!! I built several such shelving systems at my place. The weak point in your design in the joints - the metal brackets won't give the strength of a solid piece of wood. Also, your 2x4's holding the cans are utilizing their weak side to hold the weight. What I would do is build a "box" with the 2x4's on their sides. Then use 2x4's or 4x4's on the four corners and attack on the inside using lag bolts or 3" coarse drywall screws. If putting up against a wall, run 3" screws through 2x4's of box into studs in wall. This will hold more weight and be a little more stable under load. I also see your tin foil is in place. Good - that keeps all the brain waves of those people in DC from getting to your ammo : ). Black Fox
Link Posted: 9/16/2001 4:05:32 PM EDT
Man you are too neat. I just stack the ammo cans together, and that is that.
Link Posted: 9/16/2001 4:13:47 PM EDT
rofl on the 'tin foil' Ok, first... This is a cheap setup. 4x4's are too much for my budget. [:)] The 'weak' side of the 2x4's is plenty strong enough for these .50 cal ammo cans. I figure there is about 100-150 pounds per shelf. I decided to use those brackets that way because I wanted the full weight of each 'shelf' to be resting on the ends of the 1' 2x4's. If the corner 2x4's were full length top to bottom, then each shelf would have to be supported with something strong. I didn't want to mess with that. I'm not that good of a carpenter. I used about 5-6 10 foot 2x4's, screws, glue, brackets and thats it. Total cost for that would be about 30 dollars. Pretty good if you ask me. Hardware used, 2x4's. One for the front of the shelf and one for the back. Each 'shelf' is resting on 4 10" long 2x4's. If you want, I can take step by step photos when I build my next one in the next few weeks. Here is another view. [img]wsphotofews.excite.com/036/T2/Eb/PY/iQ92842.jpg[/img] And here is the old system I used. [img]wsphotofews.excite.com/025/8L/KU/Dq/YF44396.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 9/16/2001 4:35:32 PM EDT
Two words: Not enough!
Link Posted: 9/16/2001 4:38:19 PM EDT
I for one like your setup. As a structural engineer, I doesn't look like the metal brackets are even loaded that heavily. So I wouldn't worry, even if they were, they wouldn't go anywhere unless they are aluminum. In all, a very nice setup!
Link Posted: 9/16/2001 4:56:01 PM EDT
While Matt is probably referring to the light vertical (direct) load, the brackets are all that contains the horizontal forces. It already looks like the shelf is leaning to the left about 1/2 way up. Not trying to be picky, but give legit constructive suggestions! First, a solid piece will withstand load better than three held together by a small bracket. Second, even if the 2x4's will hold the ~150 lb. load on their backs, they will hold it better on their sides. Your shelves will probably work just fine. I always though us engineers looked for better ways - that's why they call something built too tough "over-engineering!" Black Fox
Link Posted: 9/16/2001 5:23:01 PM EDT
Very nice. I suggest about 1000 more ammo cans filled with sand to start your bunker project. [img]home.att.net/~satcong/wsb/media/18266/site21.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 9/16/2001 5:44:30 PM EDT
I need some land for my own bunker project, anyone know where I can get those bags for cheap?
Link Posted: 9/16/2001 5:57:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Scarecrow: I need some land for my own bunker project, anyone know where I can get those bags for cheap?
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CTD used to sell the Vietnam Era bags cheap.
Link Posted: 9/16/2001 6:42:14 PM EDT
No bunkers. Too obvious. Tow a couple of junk cars out into the woods and put your still in between. While you're at it, try doing it two or three different places, makes it harder on the revenuers. You can get camo netting that will thermally mask the heat signature from the boiler... Uh, why are y'all looking at me that way? Tachyon (Proud to be a hillbilly!)
Link Posted: 9/16/2001 6:54:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Tachyon:No bunkers. Too obvious. Tow a couple of junk cars out into the woods and put your still in between. While you're at it, try doing it two or three different places, makes it harder on the revenuers. You can get camo netting that will thermally mask the heat signature from the boiler... Uh, why are y'all looking at me that way? Tachyon (Proud to be a hillbilly!)
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WTB: 2 rusted out old beaters. Pref from your front yard. $50 each, will self tow.
Link Posted: 9/16/2001 6:58:39 PM EDT
How many rounds do you have? You have more ammo than my local dealer![(:)]
Link Posted: 9/16/2001 7:01:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Morgan-Keegan: How many rounds do you have? You have more ammo than my local dealer![(:)]
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That's classified. [;)]
Link Posted: 9/16/2001 7:14:29 PM EDT
Very Nice Setup God Bless Texas
Link Posted: 9/16/2001 7:16:06 PM EDT
GOT!...TANGIT!...URG!....FLPPTTTTT!!!... Are you trying to set off my obsessive-compulsive disorder with that ONE-SINGLE-CARDBOARD-BOX??? :D Just playing. I am envious.
Link Posted: 9/16/2001 7:16:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/16/2001 7:17:19 PM EDT by lordtrader]
Originally Posted By 7: Here is another view. [img]wsphotofews.excite.com/036/T2/Eb/PY/iQ92842.jpg[/img] And here is the old system I used. [img]wsphotofews.excite.com/025/8L/KU/Dq/YF44396.jpg[/img]
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Look at the walls of this place. Dude doesn't need a tinfoil hat. He's got a tinfoil bunker [:D] ROFLMAO, just kidding man. I like it. Good job.
Link Posted: 9/16/2001 8:23:31 PM EDT
Is this the ammo for the spit wad gun? [img]http://home.earthlink.net/~routhier/taurus/shelf1.JPG[/img] All that shiny wall covering sure makes your basement look like a grow room [@:D]
Link Posted: 9/16/2001 8:47:50 PM EDT
All that shiny wall covering sure makes your basement look like a grow room [@:D]
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Now the DEA _and_ the BATF will be after him1
Link Posted: 9/16/2001 9:23:15 PM EDT
Looks good. Thanks for the idea.
Link Posted: 9/17/2001 3:17:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By david_r: Is this the ammo for the spit wad gun? [img]http://home.earthlink.net/~routhier/taurus/shelf1.JPG[/img] All that shiny wall covering sure makes your basement look like a grow room [@:D]
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That is Lake City 30-06 from ODCMP. Just haven't opened the box yet. PS. I'm not writing this from my 'tin foil' bunker so there is no telling if this message has been compromised or not. [:D]
Link Posted: 9/17/2001 3:37:09 AM EDT
Ha! They're on to you, 7!! I'm wondering how Bat21 got the pictures from our group land purchase? And who's that sitting on top of our bunker?!? I'm with the gang - definitely have to do something about the cardboard box... Black Fox
Link Posted: 9/17/2001 3:43:01 AM EDT
OH NO! I just checked my basement, NO TIN FOIL, they use plastic instead!!!! I'm DOOMED!
Link Posted: 9/17/2001 4:01:57 AM EDT
Nice setup. I have been thinking about a similiar project myself. I like it!
Link Posted: 9/17/2001 4:53:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By schnacke:
All that shiny wall covering sure makes your basement look like a grow room [@:D]
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Now the DEA _and_ the BATF will be after him1
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I was going to say that too!!! To some people that is stockpiling right there. Not to me...I like it!!!
Link Posted: 9/17/2001 11:11:39 AM EDT
I see you're dressed for the occasion.
Link Posted: 9/18/2001 11:40:21 PM EDT
Anyone figure out what I meant?
Link Posted: 9/18/2001 11:53:19 PM EDT
7, I like your safe, what kind of price did it set you back?
Link Posted: 9/19/2001 3:28:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Morgan-Keegan: 7, I like your safe, what kind of price did it set you back?
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I'd rather not talk about that because someone might come and put me in the loony bin. Too much $$$. I only purchased it because someone who ordered it bailed at the last second and I was lucky to be at the right place at the right time. (a good price) You can check [url]www.libertysafe.com[/url] and price it out. I think if you try to purchase one online it is around 4k.
Link Posted: 9/19/2001 4:31:46 AM EDT
Nice shelves! I also decided some organization of ammo cans was in order. I use grocery store shelving. Pay $4.00 each for them and they are VERY sturdy. 7 shelves high, 4 feet wide. Available single or double sided. Pop shelves work good too if you can get them.
Link Posted: 9/19/2001 5:55:45 AM EDT
I used an old upright freezer we have in the laundry room. It's inside, so no problem with humidity or temperature. The shelves will hold a lot of weight if you put props up the middle. The door shelves are perfect for organizing single-box ammo and loading components. Best of all, it's heavily insulated in case of fire.[:D] Only thing I'm considering is putting some metal bars around the back and sides and one across the front on a hinge so I can lock it with a big padlock.[heavy]
Link Posted: 9/19/2001 9:39:31 AM EDT
That looks good but you haven't got enough ammo cans. I varied away from your concept on shelving to get this end result. This is made of particle board shelving you can get at any lumber yard. [img]http://home1.polaroiddigital.com/auction/Sep/20019195024928100836227.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 9/19/2001 9:47:40 AM EDT
You need a lable maker so you can get rid of those 3x5" tags.
Link Posted: 9/19/2001 10:20:48 AM EDT
Nice job 7! I might write down the amount of rounds in each can in addition to the caliber on the tags. Makes it easier for the "authorities" to give the total number of rounds you have to the media when they raid your house and it all ends up on tv![:D] The media gots to have dem numbers to make their story complete, don't ya know!
Link Posted: 9/19/2001 10:29:59 AM EDT
ar-snpr, beautiful. I actually got my idea from a picture almost like yours. Someone posted a pic of their vault room on tuco's board and it was basically like your picture. I don't have a vault yet and wanted my cans better organized. Yes, I do need more cans and I'll buy another 6 or so at the next gunshow. Btw, I have another 1/2 rack to the left of my safe all filled. Need to build it bigger for my soon to come cans. AR15fan, I used those tags because I didn't want labels to stick to the ammocans. These are easily removable. [:P]
Link Posted: 9/19/2001 10:37:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Axel: I see you're dressed for the occasion.
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Nice to know 7 is a boxer type of guy.
Link Posted: 9/19/2001 10:44:02 AM EDT
[rolleyes] Sorry, not boxers. Just grey shorts. I need more aluminum foil now!
Link Posted: 9/19/2001 10:46:20 AM EDT
7, Here's another wood project with particle board shelving. Needed more room for magazines, so I built this for around $30 minus the glass doors, which I saved from an old entertainment center. [img]http://home1.polaroiddigital.com/auction/Sep/20019152115494606666451.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 9/19/2001 10:55:01 AM EDT
7, From a structural standpoint, put X braces or angle braces in the back. The angles can hold the weight better and will keep it from tipping over and coming apart. Just like a barn when it is slapped together. All those angle braces keep it from coming down around the farmers ears. Looks like a great bunker setup. [:D]
Link Posted: 9/19/2001 3:15:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By david_r: Is this the ammo for the spit wad gun? [img]http://home.earthlink.net/~routhier/taurus/shelf1.JPG[/img] All that shiny wall covering sure makes your basement look like a grow room [@:D]
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what do YOU know about grow rooms? hmmmmmmmmm
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