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Posted: 9/6/2001 12:15:32 PM EDT
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I'm not a collector or expert on gun values (I always pay too much). But those are interesting pieces!
"Check" out the checkering on that Nambu's grips! Also can any military experts explain why the lower portion of the hilt on the Arisaka bayonette is hooked like that? DaMan |
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Posted: 9/6/2001 12:20:50 PM EDT
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I'm not really sure but it seems I saw them at a gun show or looked them up in a book, it seemed like the rifle was going for $75-$125. My dad and I had a couple of them. I believe it shots a 6.5 jap expensive to shoot, but one bad ass round. We where blowing up cinder block at 200yrds.
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Posted: 9/6/2001 12:26:47 PM EDT
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shaggy, you might want to post this in the History section.
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Posted: 9/6/2001 12:28:38 PM EDT
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Definitely Jap Arisaka rifle and Bayo. Worth considerably more if Imperial Chrysanthemum (sp) sometimes abbreviated as "mum" is intact. It's located at top of receiver just in front of bolt opening. Sarco has nice repro leather slings. Rifle is missing monopod, receiver dust cover, and possibly anti-aircraft fold-down "wings" on receiver sight. Sarco for repro monopod and dust cover, maybe wings, too.
Bayonet with 2 parallel groves on wooden grip is US M1917 Enfield Bayonet. Pistol is a Nambu; those crude grips say "late-war" to my non-expert eye. Prices? try here for more info [url]www.milsurpshooter.com[/url] Good luck! |
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Posted: 9/6/2001 12:28:38 PM EDT
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Is the Chrysanthemum symbol still intact?
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Posted: 9/6/2001 12:29:37 PM EDT
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Shaggy, the rifle appears to be Arisaka type 99 7.7 Jap. I own two of them, one sporterized and one original.
The value depends if the rifle has met the grinder or not. If the Royal Chrysanthemum (MUM) is there, the value goes up, 200.00- +, if not the gun will go for $75.00-$200.00. Visit [url]Gunbroker.com[/url] or [url]auctionarms.com[/url] , they have a good selection of 7.7's that you can compare it to. The only draw backs to these rifles are the availability of parts and the cost of the AMMO ($27.00-$38.00 bx)The rifle shoots great, with a hard kick. I am always in the market for another one, let me know what you find out. GIB [sniper] |
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Posted: 9/6/2001 12:39:15 PM EDT
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Your first picture of the bayonet looks like a US P17 enfield bayonet, worth about 45-75.00. SOG is selling these for around 45.00 with out the scabbard.
The Jap rifle looks like a 99 Arisaka in 7.7jap about @125.00. If it had the monopod and anti aircraft bars it would be worth more. This is an earlier rifle since it does have provisions for both of the above, and they were probably removed by the original(jap)owner. Later they were not produced with these provisions, and the quality dropped until the last ditch rifles. The bayonet for the Arisaka is worth about 100.00 give or take if you have the frog. The pistol although it looks like a type 14 doesn't seem quite right. The grips do not look original. |
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Posted: 9/6/2001 12:54:32 PM EDT
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Shaggy, also check out this site, it will help you narrow down what you have. [url]www.radix.net/~bbrown/japanese_markings.html[/url]
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Posted: 9/6/2001 12:57:30 PM EDT
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guns762, yes, those grips on the Nambu Type 14 just don't look right!
It is the more common "winter trigger guard" version. I should NEVER become a collector! I can recognize the slightest variations in arms, but I'd always pay too much! DaMan |
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Posted: 9/6/2001 6:04:04 PM EDT
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Also can any military experts explain why the lower portion of the hilt on the Arisaka bayonette is hooked like that? I've heard that it was supposed to be used to grab someone's innards and remove them, but it could have just been a BS line from someone who was just guessing. |
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Posted: 9/6/2001 7:28:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: Also can any military experts explain why the lower portion of the hilt on the Arisaka bayonette is hooked like that? DaMan I think it served as a stacking hook. When old-time infantry set up tents and went to sleep, they'd mount the bayonets and hook 3 rifles together into a tripod. Then they'd stack the rest of their rifles around them in a tepee shape stack. I'd want my rifle closer at hand, but I suppose it made sense to have the bayonets already on if attacked in the dark. The practice dates back to muzzleloader days; I imagine it wasn't practical to sleep with a loaded 5-plus foot long single shot musket. |
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Posted: 9/6/2001 7:43:38 PM EDT
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Guys - thanks for all the help. I shot my buddy an email with all your info, and he's going to look for the Chrysanthemum & other markings and get some close-up shots.
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