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Posted: 9/6/2001 11:03:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2001 11:08:36 AM EDT by shaggy]
Got a friend with a Jap rifle, with bayo, dagger, and pistol. He wants to sell them (probably inherited them - he's just not into guns). I really don't know what the hell I'm even looking at - I think its an Arisaka and a Nambu 14, but can anyone help me out with identification and putting an approximate value on this stuff? Is it junk or what? [url]wsphotofews.excite.com/030/Oy/Rs/2U/GN11700.jpg[/url] [url]wsphotofews.excite.com/038/qI/h9/IN/P498037.jpg[/url] [url]wsphotofews.excite.com/027/H1/bE/Jy/GR67822.jpg[/url] [url]wsphotofews.excite.com/028/vU/3y/Rl/Cp43522.jpg[/url] [url]wsphotofews.excite.com/001/p5/Q9/Zh/Cr65141.jpg[/url] [url]wsphotofews.excite.com/036/D1/nw/V3/Cs22719.jpg[/url] [url]wsphotofews.excite.com/038/qI/h9/IN/Pe94225.jpg[/url] [url]wsphotofews.excite.com/034/XF/ZH/1U/Pj67952.jpg[/url]
Link Posted: 9/6/2001 12:15:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2001 12:16:23 PM EDT by DaMan]
I'm not a collector or expert on gun values (I always pay too much). But those are interesting pieces! "Check" out the checkering on that Nambu's grips! Also can any military experts explain why the lower portion of the hilt on the Arisaka bayonette is hooked like that? DaMan
Link Posted: 9/6/2001 12:20:50 PM EDT
I'm not really sure but it seems I saw them at a gun show or looked them up in a book, it seemed like the rifle was going for $75-$125. My dad and I had a couple of them. I believe it shots a 6.5 jap expensive to shoot, but one bad ass round. We where blowing up cinder block at 200yrds.
Link Posted: 9/6/2001 12:26:47 PM EDT
shaggy, you might want to post this in the History section. DaMan
Link Posted: 9/6/2001 12:28:38 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2001 12:28:38 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2001 12:29:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2001 12:30:58 PM EDT by GI_Brat]
Link Posted: 9/6/2001 12:39:15 PM EDT
Your first picture of the bayonet looks like a US P17 enfield bayonet, worth about 45-75.00. SOG is selling these for around 45.00 with out the scabbard. The Jap rifle looks like a 99 Arisaka in 7.7jap about @125.00. If it had the monopod and anti aircraft bars it would be worth more. This is an earlier rifle since it does have provisions for both of the above, and they were probably removed by the original(jap)owner. Later they were not produced with these provisions, and the quality dropped until the last ditch rifles. The bayonet for the Arisaka is worth about 100.00 give or take if you have the frog. The pistol although it looks like a type 14 doesn't seem quite right. The grips do not look original.
Link Posted: 9/6/2001 12:54:32 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2001 12:57:30 PM EDT
guns762, yes, those grips on the Nambu Type 14 just don't look right! It is the more common "winter trigger guard" version. I should NEVER become a collector! I can recognize the slightest variations in arms, but I'd always pay too much! DaMan
Link Posted: 9/6/2001 6:04:04 PM EDT
Also can any military experts explain why the lower portion of the hilt on the Arisaka bayonette is hooked like that?
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I've heard that it was supposed to be used to grab someone's innards and remove them, but it could have just been a BS line from someone who was just guessing.
Link Posted: 9/6/2001 7:28:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2001 7:33:43 PM EDT by Fuzzbean]
Originally Posted By DaMan: Also can any military experts explain why the lower portion of the hilt on the Arisaka bayonette is hooked like that? DaMan
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I think it served as a stacking hook. When old-time infantry set up tents and went to sleep, they'd mount the bayonets and hook 3 rifles together into a tripod. Then they'd stack the rest of their rifles around them in a tepee shape stack. I'd want my rifle closer at hand, but I suppose it made sense to have the bayonets already on if attacked in the dark. The practice dates back to muzzleloader days; I imagine it wasn't practical to sleep with a loaded 5-plus foot long single shot musket.
Link Posted: 9/6/2001 7:43:38 PM EDT
Guys - thanks for all the help. I shot my buddy an email with all your info, and he's going to look for the Chrysanthemum & other markings and get some close-up shots.
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