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Posted: 8/27/2001 6:23:36 AM EDT
This movie was on last night. I have it on tape and have seen it many times. What a great flick! Ed Norton was awesome in the movie. I'm not big into movies and they usually don't do anything for me, but this one was really something else. Any thoughts?
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 6:29:21 AM EDT
I liked the end when he finally figured out his little bro was about to throw his whole life away the same way that he did.
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 6:29:47 AM EDT
How did you feel about the racism? Was it really wrong for the whites to band (gang) together for mutual protection, when the blacks had already done the same? Did the whites just go too far? Was the brother really wrong for protecting his home and family? Did he just go too far in crushing that guy's skull? Rent the real thing. I'll wager prime time TV sensored a bunch of the good stuff.
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 6:31:15 AM EDT
I intentionally missed it as I expected it to be filled with Leftist "revisionist history." Also, the promo clips made it look like propaganda perpetuating the MYTH of ONLY white on black racist violence being pervasive in America. Did I overreact????
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 6:38:01 AM EDT
Sure you overreacted Garandman... if you watch the movie there is plenty of black on white racism. If you have any doubts, watch the end. The movie was more about humanity than white on black or black on white hate. It was about hate in general, and how we can rise above it. I don't like "Niggers" any more than anybody else. But not all black people fall into that category and white people can be classified that way as well. It all has to do with youre attitude or state of mind. I appreciated the friendship that developed between Norton and the black inmate in jail and I think that there is a lot of truth in the lesson that love breeds love and hate breeds hate. When the black guy treated Norton as an equal, and looked past eachothers hate, they were able to become friends. Also, When Norton got screwed, literally, by his own people, he saw that not everything in life is a matter of, "black and white."
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One of my favorites too. Definitely a classic. Its one of a handful that I can watch over and over without getting sick of it. The director did an excellent job with the way the flashbacks were organized, and with how graphic some of the scenes were. You don't see that very often, but it adds a necessary edge to the movie. In the end it makes a good point, but I think Derek's speech outside the grocery store has a lot a validity too. I don't think things went too far. The graphic scenes are what really makes the movie, since it goes where most movies won't go. Some other greats are Braveheart, Goodfellas, Casino, Ronin, Heat, Matrix, and a few others I can't think of right now. Edited because I forgot to add something
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 6:42:43 AM EDT
Originally Posted By HKer: One of my favorites too. Definitely a classic. Its one of a handful that I can watch over and over without getting sick of it. The director did an excellent job with the way the flashbacks were organized, and with how graphic some of the scenes were. You don't see that very often, but it adds a necessary edge to the movie. Some other greats are Braveheart, Goodfellas, Casino, Ronin, Heat, Matrix, and a few others I can't think of right now.
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Damn... If you ever want to hang out and watch movies and drink beer... Visit havoc's. I have all those on DVD, and I like your style [;)] (Dont forget Tombstone, among others...)
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 6:46:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Scipio: Sure you overreacted Garandman... The movie was more about humanity than white on black or black on white hate. It was about hate in general, and how we can rise above it. ."
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I can appreciate what you are saying, but its been my life experience that what lingers from these LEFTISTS HOLLYWOOD PROPAGANDA PIECES is NOT the "rise above it" but the "THIS is why I hate white folk" / "black people ALWAYS do XYZ" stereotypes. (This from someone who has seen first hand UNPROVOKED black on white violence.) These movies IMO ONLY serves to add fuel to the fire. Human nature ALMOST ALWAYS tends to focus in on the negative, in spite of any "good/positive / moral movie ending." SO, in my experience, people walk away from these movies incited NOT towards good, but with a small fire kindled inside. You may be the exception to the rule.
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 6:47:10 AM EDT
Good movie. However; did anyone notice the commercials during it saying LOCK UP YOUR GUN? With some drawings made by a kid who "accidentally got dads gun and shot someone"
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 6:50:59 AM EDT
While it's a great movie, I do feel most people will walk away thinking that white self defense ends with you becoming a Neo-Nazi and perpetuating more violence. I was able to come away with more, but I don't think the averager person would. That's why I ask those that viewed it, how did you feel about the whites banding together to defend themselves from the black gangs? Should they have? Did they just take it too far? (the Korean store comes to mind) Why was the brother imprisoned for defending his home? I understand the legal aspects, but was he morally wrong for what he did? Did he just take it too far?
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 6:54:10 AM EDT
I noticed that commercial too. I just shook my head and rolled my eyes......
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 6:54:45 AM EDT
Originally Posted By fight4yourrights: While it's a great movie, I do feel most people will walk away thinking that white self defense ends with you becoming a Neo-Nazi and perpetuating more violence. I was able to come away with more, but I don't think the averager person would. That's why I ask those that viewed it, how did you feel about the whites banding together to defend themselves from the black gangs? Should they have? Did they just take it too far? (the Korean store comes to mind) Why was the brother imprisoned for defending his home? I understand the legal aspects, but was he morally wrong for what he did? Did he just take it too far?
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Well I personally don't think he went to far... But in the eyes of "The Law" I guess it was excessive. Banding together for defense? No argument here on that... However, there are probably more subtle ways to reach out to the shop owner, at least initially...
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 7:02:06 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By fight4yourrights: While it's a great movie, I do feel most people will walk away thinking that white self defense ends with you becoming a Neo-Nazi and perpetuating more violence.
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EXACTLY my point. The producers UNSPOKEN intent is to show America in a negative light (i.e. full of hatred) and to utilize the Marxist principle of "class struggle" (i.e. pitting blacks against whites, and vice versa) to create an alienated black populace that will RUN to the leftist Democrats for salvation from "Whitey." And their methodolgy is working. And getting Democrats elected. And these Democrats are taking YOUR gun rights away. And some of you are saying "What a great movie." Yikes. [rolleyes] PLEASE wake up.
Originally Posted By fight4yourrights: I was able to come away with more, but I don't think the averager person would. That's why I ask those that viewed it, how did you feel about the whites banding together to defend themselves from the black gangs?
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I think MANY gun owners see thru the methodology. But what the movie is saying is that its OK for blacks to gang up against whites, but not vice versa. See above about class struggle. The WORST thing that could happen for these Leftists is for racial harmony to ever be achieved., as they would lose a large chunk of their power base. Essentially, they SCARE people into voting for them by perpetuating the myth that the majority of the violence is white against black. The only likely difference between the movies American History X and Malcom X is that perhaps AHX was more subtle in its message. Personally, my Bible tells me to treat ALL people alike, as they are ALL made in the image of God, and equally need salvation in Jesus Christ.
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 7:11:14 AM EDT
GREAT FILM If whites have to band together to protect themselves froms blacks then so be it. I've been part of groups, some ethnically homogeneous and other ethnically heterogeneous, that have banded together to protect ourselves from many different types of adversaries. I never came away from that hating a whole group because of what a few people who were part of that group had done. Crushing the guy's skull was definitely wrong IMO. If the guys was trying to come into the house or attack a family member, sure bus a cap in his ass. My belief is that you don't kill another human being for theft. There is too much hate in the world. I believe that if you know who you are, love yourself and are empowered to live then you don't have to hate anyone.
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 8:35:01 AM EDT
American History X is an excellent film. Period. Garandman, I think you should try to watch it again and try to be a little more open-minded. Tyler
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 8:46:02 AM EDT
Originally Posted By tylerdurden1201: American History X is an excellent film. Period. Garandman, I think you should try to watch it again and try to be a little more open-minded. Tyler
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Tyler - AS I stated, I haven't seen the film AT ALL. I'm just VERY familiar with the LEFTISTS who produced it. These people don't change their spots. I don't have to try LSD to know its physically harmful, either. Daffynition - Openminded people - Those in the greatest danger of all the good stuff "falling out" of their mind.
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 8:47:27 AM EDT
I have seen it a few times and I love the movie. The very end sucks with the murder but it puts a great point accross. Some of the propaganda in the movie was pretty bad but some made sence. Like all of the ileagle immigrants takeing jobs from citizens. [sniper]
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 8:55:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman: Tyler - AS I stated, I haven't seen the film AT ALL.
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You're right - my bad. Well, you should actually watch the film before you comment on it. LSD... WTF? Tyler
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 9:03:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By tylerdurden1201:
Originally Posted By garandman: Tyler - AS I stated, I haven't seen the film AT ALL.
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You're right - my bad. Well, you should actually watch the film before you comment on it. LSD... WTF? Tyler
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You're rirght, naturally. My intent is not so much to comment on the film, but on the tactics these types of movies use. I've seen MORE than enuf of its genre to know where it is going. The LSD analogy is simply an illustration to show I need not see the movie to know its intent. All I need know is its producers, and their intent. Thus far, you've said "Its a great movie." I've said "here are the specific problems with it." Would you care to address SPECIFIC points I've made above????
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 9:12:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman: But what the movie is saying is that its OK for blacks to gang up against whites, but not vice versa.
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This movie does not give this impression at all - of course, you would have to see the film in order to realize this. I do not wish to argue - not my style. I am dropping this topic. Tyler
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 9:29:37 AM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman: Would you care to address SPECIFIC points I've made above????
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Originally Posted By tylerdurden1201: I am dropping this topic. Tyler
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I'll take that as a "No." [;)] Not trying to be argumentative here. I just can't see supporting and financially funding these Leftists who are using any money I send them to take my guns away. And that includes TV premiers of Hollywood movies. If you (ANY of you)can, please explain it to me. I guess I'm just too "closed minded."
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 9:32:45 AM EDT
i still kringe when he Curb stomps that guy in surround sound you hear this really sickening crack as his jaw breaks. they didnt jail him forprotecing his family they jail him for curb stopping the kid since he wasnt a threat anymore he didnt need to curb stop him also man that shower scene still makes me feel sick every time i c it
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 9:42:39 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/27/2001 9:58:41 AM EDT
Once again Joe Dirtbag on the scene....Gman here's a dollar buy a clue....I supported you staying here but now you are just making me look like an idiot. Your posts in this tread are exactly the sort of close-minded mud-slinging that everyone was either tired of, or afraid of. If you haven't seen this movie then please leave the room and let the guys that have discuss it. Or open your own thread on Movies and the communist plot to take over hollywood or whatever. It just occured to me that you would have made an excellent person to join this---- 1947 House on Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) hearings----I am not being argumentative,I just would like to see a little less UNEARNED mudslinging.
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 10:03:38 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Big_Bear: garandman, how can you possibly critique "that type" of movie without seeing it? Your points are invalid.
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Well, obviously, if it IS "that type" of movie, I am criticising it for being such. Conversely, if it is NOT "that type" of movie" I am NOT criticising for being such. Do I have to explain everything??? [}:D] I simply choose NOT to watch movies made by producers who have produced nothing other than "that type" of movie. If I want more aggravation in life, I can go play golf. [:D]
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 10:13:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By hound: It just occured to me that you would have made an excellent person to join this---- 1947 House on Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) hearings----I am not being argumentative,I just would like to see a little less UNEARNED mudslinging.
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HUAC - that's good. Ahhh, but your accusation is woefully incomplete. You are also supposed to accuse me of McCarthyism, censorship, and causing both global warming and male pattern baldness. My defintion of "mud slinging"ould be throwing around generic allegations. Rather, I have raised specific points about the nature of the producers of these movies, and the genre in which they exist, as being the SPCIFIC reasons I choose to INTENTIONALLY miss the movie.. Again, I'll ask you as I did Tyler - do you care to address my SPECIFIC points, or just throw out the McCarthyism card???? Interestingly, YOU are the one trying to silence an opinion in this disdcussion.
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 10:18:15 AM EDT
Whoa - Sorry Imbroglio - I think I just deleted your post, when I MEANT to delete my own double tap. Oddly, if your post was serious and not sarcasm, you were somewhat agreeing with me. Again, apologies.
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 10:18:15 AM EDT
Whoa - Sorry Imbroglio - I think I just deleted your post, when I MEANT to delete my own double tap. Oddly, if your post was serious and not sarcasm, you were somewhat agreeing with me. Again, apologies.
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 10:30:30 AM EDT
First nope, I wouldn't accuse you of any of the listed items. The things I would accuse you of are someone in a position of power making a big stink about something he didn't like and someone who is unknowledgeable on the subject matter at hand, being very confrontational and mildly abusive to people that MAY have different views. Your points about specific questions and arguments about the nature of Hollywood are irrelevant to this conversation and are seen by me as a big man interrupting a decent and intelligent conversation on race relations to spew invective and diatribe. The movie in question uses cold hard facts to bring out why the Norton character is prejudiced against all black and then gives a situation where he sees that not all people of African descent can be labeled as subhuman. And then the movie goes on to show that having hatred as a way of life, regardless of the facts, only leaves you as less of a person. I would still encourage you to go play golf or something and leave this discussion alone. As a similar situation, it would be like me breaking into a discursion on shooting FAL's and saying that I didn't like the way they looked and that I would never own one. Relevant to the discussion and plan idiocy because I have never even held one. P.S. Thanks for providing the initiative for possibly longest post ever.
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 10:37:38 AM EDT
Originally Posted By hound: First nope, I wouldn't accuse you of any of the listed items.
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Hmmmm... You did indeed accuse me of mudslinging. You said I belong on HUAC, an accusation of McCarthyism. Now you indirectly accuse me of misusing my "power, " while not having the intestinal fortitude to out right say that. Show me ANYWHERE in this thread or any other place I have EVER moderated in a discussion I was involved in. Are you sure you aren;t AR50guy/troll/name du jour???? [}:D]
As a similar situation, it would be like me breaking into a discursion on shooting FAL's and saying that I didn't like the way they looked and that I would never own one. Relevant to the discussion and plan idiocy because I have never even held one.
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Some day you'll have to explain to me what would be wrong with you stating that opinion.
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 11:02:40 AM EDT
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I think what most enjoyed about this movie was the realistic portrayals it depicted. Sure it had a bunch of "ideology" in there. But it was still overall a good movie. As a educated human being I can watch anything without fear. I can see right through propaganda without internalizing it. I can watch Beavis and Butthead and somehow not burn down my house. I can watch 9 - 5 and not become a feminist idiot who stereotypes men. I can watch South Central and not become a drug dealing ahole gang banger. I can watch Falling Down and get a burger later without taking my Mac10. I can watch American History X without becoming a white supremecist, or falling victim to the subtle "liberal agenda" hidden therein. And I can watch the Matrix without floating into the air during sparring sessions.
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 11:20:12 AM EDT
SteyrAug... good points! Garandman... I have not found your posts to be that argumentative or insulting, especially compared to some of the other posts that one might find on an average day here at ar15.com. However, I do agree with the rest of the folks who say that if you haven't seen it, don't knock it. I mean, is it propaganda that you have a problem with or is it just leftist propaganda? I mean, do you spend your "tv" time watching old Nazi rally's at nuremburg, or listening to speeches to the tune of the Horst Wessel? Probaboy not, at least, I hope not... I'm a strong opponent of the leftist media and hollywood as well. The liberals DO have control of all of the opinion making institutions in this great nation...but does this mean that it is impossible for a liberal to make a broad statement about humanity without insulting conservative ideology?
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 11:22:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG: As a educated human being I can watch anything without fear. I can see right through propaganda without internalizing it.
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AS can I. But I CANNOT watch it without it making me flippin' insane with anger. OK - I exaggerate, but the point still stands.
I can watch Beavis and Butthead and somehow not burn down my house. I can watch 9 - 5 and not become a feminist idiot who stereotypes men. .
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Excellent examples. They are excellent becuase we have seen both an increase of feminazis, and brain dead teenagers correspnd with these shows. Is it life reflecting art, or art reflecting life???? Good question. The answer is "Yes." Like I said above, most gun owners (like you) see thru the propaganda, and exit the theatre with their views intact. But are you REALLY sure that a woman that can put a hot coffee cup between her fat legs, squish it and get burned and then sue the people who sold her the coffee, will??? And should we be sending ANY money to these movie producers who are capitalizing on stupid people parroting their views, then electing Democrats, who in turn take away our guns??? We are funding our own demise. And THAT, thru this whole discussion, is my point.
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 11:23:01 AM EDT
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Hmmmm... you did indeed accuse me of mudslinging. --YEP I did but it was not in the list You said I belong on HUAC, an accusation of McCarthyism. --Not an accusation of McCarthyism per se, but rather an acusation of using the same tactics and brow beating anyone who disagreed. Now you indirectly accuse me of misusing my "power, " while not having the intestinal fortitude to out right say that. Show me ANYWHERE in this thread or any other place I have EVER moderated in a discussion I was involved in. --I could not really care what your record shows, I was discussing your replies in this post as to whether or not they relevant or additive to this discussion. And I stated that,on your record I had urged you to stay and now you lambast and ridicule and browbeat the people in this discussion....How about this, I will tell you exactly what I disagreed with in your post. In your third message...everything after your first two were taking away from the conversation and taken in a direction which you admitted you knew nothing about. You haven't even seen the thing and you feel that it is upon you to pontificate on a subject,that once more, you were ignorant on. A better response would have been simply that most of what hollyweird makes is pure drek, but is this a movie I should attempt to watch? Instead we have hijacked this thread and I have tried to meet you halfway as one of your supporters and I get called a troll. As for your uncomprehesion of my last point, let me give you a quote...It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. I would be a fool to interrupt a discussion on the Godlike attributes of the FAL to inject some whining opinion of the cosmetics. Not wrong on its face but perhaps a waste of my time and others.
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 11:28:37 AM EDT
Garandman is right about the tactics of the filmakers. Another contrived production to convey the messages that they want disseminated, specifically on the subject of white racism. The purpose of the film is to say to young white kids, "Hey, you don't want to wind up like this, right?" When this film first came out I knew that it would end up on the USA network. They love this stuff - can't get enough of it. I could be wrong but I think that all of the original series that they produce have had an episode where some white racist is comitting or about to commit a hate crime. I read an article where some guy from USA was interviewed and he said that this was all part of their "stop the hate" campaign. Of course it's totally one sided and divorced from reality. If they wanted to make these points to appeal to a universal audience there would be some "diversity" to the perpetrators. Looking at the recent FBI statistics it seems that a minority is more likely by proportion to commit a "hate crime" on a white than the other way around. Of course this would be hard to pick up on as there are few if any movies, tv shows, news specials, congressional announcements, etc on the fact. Edward Norton however is a really great actor, and one can differentiate between that and the underlying politics. Oh, and if you missed it don't worry it will be on again...
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 11:34:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By shooter69: Garandman is right about the tactics of the filmakers. Another contrived production to convey the messages that they want disseminated, specifically on the subject of white racism. The purpose of the film is to say to young white kids, "Hey, you don't want to wind up like this, right?" When this film first came out I knew that it would end up on the USA network. They love this stuff - can't get enough of it.
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And the socio / political point to be made here is that BY AND LARGE, these movies INFLAME the "racial divide," perpetuate the myth of white on black ONLY racism, and further divide the races, when there IS SOOOOOOOO much we ALL have in common. The gun rights point to be made is that these are the SAME filmakkers who brownnose Schumer, Feinstein Waxman and heir ilk, even funding their political campaigns. Our theatre $$$$ go DIRECTLY from the movie makers, into DiFi 's etc etc campaign kitty. You may recall that DiFi / Clinton / waxman / Schumer / Kennedy / et al are the people trying to take away our guns. [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 11:43:57 AM EDT
*sigh* You did a great job at making a complete ass of yourself in this thread, Garandman – congratulations! You ask for a specific point of reference, and I quoted you.
Originally Posted By garandman: But what the movie is saying is that its OK for blacks to gang up against whites, but not vice versa.
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Then, like a complete fool you do not even acknowledge my response properly and ignore my reply, and claim a false victory for yourself. I said I was dropping the topic – because I cannot debate a movie with someone if they have never seen it. I was going to let you save face and keep you from looking like a moron who runs his mouth without being knowledgeable about what he is talking about. You have no idea what you are talking about in regards to this film. Your statements regarding this film have no substance whatsoever – and therefore are absurd! Tyler
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 11:49:43 AM EDT
OK, what if I retract that one statement??? I should have said "the genre" USUALLY says Can you now post without using expletives and other invectives???
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 12:08:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman: Excellent examples. They are excellent becuase we have seen both an increase of feminazis, and brain dead teenagers correspnd with these shows. Is it life reflecting art, or art reflecting life???? Good question. The answer is "Yes." And should we be sending ANY money to these movie producers who are capitalizing on stupid people parroting their views, then electing Democrats, who in turn take away our guns??? We are funding our own demise.
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Actually the answer is BOTH. Lily Tomlin and Jane Fonda were spreading their crap long before that movie and brain dead teenages did not magically appear with the first episode of Beavis & Butthead. All these did was provide role models for people who already thought that way or were inclined to do so. Otherwise Red Dawn would have converted the entire nation. It didn't. And while I don't recommend going to the theater to fund these movies, I have directTV and pay the same no matter what I watch. So I watch whatever I want. Rap music is probably the best example of what we are arguing about, well specifically "gansta rap." When it first came around it was "art?" reflecting "life?" Or at least a relatively unknown segement of life in the mid 80s. But it did perpetuate the next generation of "gangstas" due to the glamorization of it in the recordings. Even white suburbia embraced the "gansta" subculture. So the answer is BOTH art reflects life and life reflects art. However only the succeptible or predispositioned will fall victim to these influences. And it it is not "gansta rap", it will be Beavis and Butthead, the moron down the street or the Beatles White Album. The only safeguard it to educate yourself and teach your children well. In fact pointing out these "influences" may protect them as much as shielding them from it. I remember being a child and having my Dad point out a couple winos fighting over a bottle on the street downtown. And he said "See that? Don't wind up like that..." Funny that I really don't drink.
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 12:21:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG: However only the succeptible or predispositioned will fall victim to these influences. And it it is not "gansta rap", it will be Beavis and Butthead, the moron down the street or the Beatles White Album. The only safeguard it to educate yourself and teach your children well. In fact pointing out these "influences" may protect them as much as shielding them from it. .
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Well said. I'd only add that a Hollywood movie would be my LAST choice for an instructional setting to teach right and wrong. I'd use real life, as your dad did. My dad did something similar. I saw this awesome cherried out Camaro (forget which year - probably early 70's - Smokey and the Bandit type) Dad said "go to college son, and ohe day you can get one." never forgot that. I DID go to college, and while my tastes have changed from the Camaro, I'm better off for the lesson taught.
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 12:37:01 PM EDT
I too thought it was a good film. I didn't notice any hidden ideology. I thought it did a good job at showing aspects of our society that actually exist. Aspects that most suburbanites don't even know about. The acting was good. The story was interesting. The main point this film got across to me was DON'T LIVE IN A MAJOR CITY! Life there sucks. USPC40 ------------------------------------------------- [b][blue]NRA Life Member[/blue][/b] - [url]www.nra.org[/url] [b][blue]GOA Life Member[/blue][/b] - [url]www.gunowners.org[/url] [b][blue]SAF Member[/blue][/b] - [url]www.saf.org[/url] [b][blue]SAS Supporter[/blue][/b] - [url]www.sas-aim.org[/url] [img]www.ar15.com/members/albums/USPC40/alabamaflag.gif[/img]
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Originally Posted By USPC40: The main point this film got across to me was DON'T LIVE IN A MAJOR CITY! Life there sucks. USPC40
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If EVERYONE got that point, and moved into the "blue" regions of the recent election map that was circulating, and started voting Republican / Libertarian, then I'm all with ya - it was a good movie!!!!!!!! [:D]
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 12:57:59 PM EDT
Of all the movies that have ever been, the content of AHX was the most realistic, but the ending was pure motive. The movie didn't depict blakcs as Mammy Jammy innocents subject to the baby eating racist. It really was a first for modern day Hollywood. But, the side of racism is showed was the extreme. Weak minds can't rationalize the movie correctly, because is shows both sides of the equasion, as opposed to the movies everyone is used to where it's all agenda and spin. The whole reason the movie was so powerful (Yes, it was, and I hate movies) is it appeals to both sides. Tha anti-racists feel good because it confirms everything television has led them to believe about oyboys, so they can cuddle up to the "WE MUST HELP THE POOR BLACKS OR ELSE THEY WILL GET THEIR HEADS STOMPED ON A CURB" mentality that keeps them warm at night. The other side of the ball only takes in the Sieg Heil aspect, and they get off on that. The movie was a perfect paralel to the television show "All in the Family". In AATF, Archie Bunker stood tall on television and spoke out about mostly white America conservative causes. At the time, when political corectness was beginning to take hold, America ate it up thinking they finally had a voice on television that was saying what we all say in private. But if you'll notice, Archie always "got his" in the end. Archie buys a gun for protection? Archie got robbed with it. Archie speaks up about gays? Archie finds out the big burly ex-football player is a fairy. and so on and so on... The same applies to AHX. Norton hated blacks for a reason, but he wound up "getting his" in the end via his brother getting shot. Because after all. Anyone who speaks to a negro like his brother did should expect to get shot. Right? It was the same liberal ignorethefactsantiracist agenda that they have been feeding all along, only with this movie, they used a different way to tell it so they had a broader audience.
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 1:11:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Landon: In AATF, Archie Bunker stood tall on television and spoke out about mostly white America conservative causes. At the time, when political corectness was beginning to take hold, America ate it up thinking they finally had a voice on television that was saying what we all say in private. But if you'll notice, Archie always "got his" in the end. Archie buys a gun for protection? Archie got robbed with it. Archie speaks up about gays? Archie finds out the big burly ex-football player is a fairy. and so on and so on... The same applies to AHX. Norton hated blacks for a reason, but he wound up "getting his" in the end via his brother getting shot. Because after all. Anyone who speaks to a negro like his brother did should expect to get shot. Right? It was the same liberal ignorethefactsantiracist agenda that they have been feeding all along, only with this movie, they used a different way to tell it so they had a broader audience.
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Again, EXACTLY my point. I don't care if you ARE mCUzi. [}:D] The means was different, but the message was the same - inflame the blacks against the whites. Class struggle. Show black people that "whitey" hates him, and the ONLY saviour is ultimately that black people turn to Democrats to save them from "whitey." granted, that's MORE than the movie would ever achieve. But it feeds into that mentality incrementally. I resent this as I know that I am NOT a threat to any black person whi is not a threat to me. And I'm tired of being portrayed by Hollywood as a threat to black people. How do I know all this WITHOUT seeing the movie???? Becasue I know the cesspool (read : Hollywood) the movie came out of. On social issues, they play ONLY one tune - Marxism. HUAC knew it. And handled it POORLY. But seems maybe we STILL don't get it.
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 2:30:41 PM EDT
I noticed one of the skinheads in prison (sitting in the dining hall when hero returns after being assaulted) had an AR tattoed on the right side of his shaved head. Are we being slammed here? Are skinheads or nazis especially fond of ARs?
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 3:01:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ludwig: I noticed one of the skinheads in prison (sitting in the dining hall when hero returns after being assaulted) had an AR tattoed on the right side of his shaved head. Are we being slammed here? Are skinheads or nazis especially fond of ARs?
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The ones I knew in Portland OR had everything you could imagine, and didn't hesitate to convert them to FA either. Weapons aquisition was one of their things becaue of their belief in an upcoming RAHOWA.
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 3:14:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ludwig: I noticed one of the skinheads in prison (sitting in the dining hall when hero returns after being assaulted) had an AR tattoed on the right side of his shaved head. Are we being slammed here? Are skinheads or nazis especially fond of ARs?
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The ones I knew in Portland OR had everything you could imagine, and didn't hesitate to convert them to FA either. Weapons aquisition was one of their things becaue of their belief in an upcoming RAHOWA.
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ok i feel like a moron whats RAHOWA stand for im guessing its some Racial Holy war?
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 3:16:11 PM EDT
Excellent movie! Taking back the basketball court was a great scene. If your not from a big city I doubt you could understand. He probably would have not gone to jail if he shot him? Although he would have served time for shooting at the fleeing vehicle. Using the B.R.A.K.E.S standard of defense as interpreted in NY.
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 3:33:27 PM EDT
JEEZ people. Take it for what it is, [b]ENTERTAINMENT[/b].
Link Posted: 8/27/2001 3:40:03 PM EDT
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