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The news tells you that the motivation of the inner city black man is "kill whitie" so you believe it?

Name any never-colonized African country that you would consider "First World."

Short list, huh?

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Is there a "first world" nation anywhere on the continent of Africa, regardless of former European colonization? Maybe I'm a little out of touch, but the very best that place can muster up would have to be Egypt. That ain't sayin much. First world simply doesn't exist there.

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My point exactly.

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I am willing to recognize the information from a better text.  I think that my point still stands that the Europeans were still taking the land from indiginous people. We should at least be honest about what took place. I think that to a certain extent the white people of S.A. are reaping what their ancestors sowed as we in the U.S. are.  As I also said earlier, I don't condone violence but given the history what do you really expect?

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If you read that sentance again you will see a question mark.  I never said that you said that I just asked if we were supposed to infer it from you statement. For someone that didn't say anyhting you sure seem to be sensitive about it.

If so then your argument has some holes in it. That seems to be the same attitude that northerners held about southerners before the civil war, oh they are a pre-industrial argicultural society, they must be backward.

If you wannt to honest, the tribal prolems of today can really be traced to the fact that those same Euopean gov'ts that colonized Africa drew the country bounderies w/o regard to where the different tribes lived and how they got along.  The same thing is happening in the Balkens today, but they aren't black so they aren't savages right?

Yes I know the people that settled Liberia came from the US.  My point was that it is one of the few countries in Africa that wasn't colonized or ruled by white foreigners.

And just to point out something else, blacks in the U.S. only really became full citizens in the 1960s a mere 40 years ago.

What's your point? Should black American criminals then be forgiven for committing 90% of interracial crime?

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Anybody who has worked with statistics, know who statistics are for......

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Interesting post. MOD has made valid and true statements. I don't agree with the killings, but 35,000 whites lives are at stake. The link provided shows 9 whites were killed since February of last year. I bet more blacks than that were killed and we did not hear of it.

It's called, "We want it, we have the power to take it, so get the fuck out!"  Welcome to real fucking life my friend.  No land has been maintained by any one race for any extended period of time, ala history.

Sorry, you lose.

I do agree that keeping blacks out of government increased the tendency towards a downward spiral.  The problem is that blacks in this country have been invlolved in politics have had [b]ample[/b] oppurtunities given to them by gov.org, yet whenever blacks run a given area, it goes to shit.  New Orleans, DC, Camden NJ......

Sub-Saharan Africans lived in a stone age hunter-gatherer existence until whites arrived and introduced the concept of civilization.  Right or wrong, that is what happened.  The real question to ask is not, "Did we do a good enough job civilizing these people?" it is, "Can these people, who have lived in tribal societies forever, be civilized?"  I would submit that the answer is no.  Slavery, ethnic slaughter, and civil war are perrennial problems in Africa.  These things were going LONG before whites ever arrived on the continent.

Am I racist, no.  I do not fear or hate anybody based on ethinicity.  I am a realist.  I observe the actions of groups of people and come to conclusions.

My overall conclusion is that the most socially evolved, civilized race are the Asians.  Followed by the whites, then the Middle Eastern peoples, way down the list are African blacks.  Does this mean that they are not capable of great things?  No.  I do not believe anybody is bound to their heritage, but you will notice that most legitimately successful blacks do not define their existence by their race.

All humans are basically the same.  It is deeply ingrained social values that hold any one particular race back in the modern world.  Blacks are not any less intelligent than white people, but their social values (particularly blacks in America) frequently hold them back.  Some blacks complain about their place in the nation, even though as individuals many have never personally sought to bette their [i]own[/i] situations.  It is not my job as a white (a term I find to be rather offensive and untrue anyway) to make sure blacks get a fair shake.  Nor is it the government's job.  Blacks need to get into the schools, work hard, seek to acheive, and work up in the job market before they ever expect to see any change in their situation.  The problem is that many blacks who are failing blame their failure not on their lack of educational values, but on "white racism."

Racism is a convienent crutch for lazy people.  

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rg00red writes this, and it makes so much sense, I'll quote him again:

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ak_ar_man, The last time I was in New Orleans (last week, my oldest daughter goes to Tulane)



I noticed that they have a [b]black[/b] mayor, most of the city councilmen are [b]black[/b], etc.  The methods of production may be white owned, but the population is not white.  



Regarding your comments on slavery:  Wars were fought against blacks [b][i]MANY[/b][/i] times in the colonization of Africa.  Are you excusing the blacks taking slaves "because they only did it in war."  What a sad and rather pathetic qualification.  Furthermore, you might want to note that the major slave trading countries were the BLACK kingdoms of Sierra Leone and Ivory Coast.  



Blacks sold other blacks into slavery.  The ROOTS version of how blacks got into the slave ships was a nice re-invention of history.



Get your facts straight before attempting argument, otherwise you just make yourself look like an ass.  
You may have actually had good points, but you couldn't demonstrate them due to your intense lack of knowledge on the subject you are arguing.

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Serb soldiers raping every muslim woman they can find, before killing them, is not necessary for war - but it is a barbaric and savage tribal behavior.

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I was NOT saying that the reason CAN'T be that blacks are somehow inferior in their ability to manage a country or create an advanced civilization.  I WAS saying that it is hard to draw that conclusion for certain.

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Now, back to the 35,000 white farmers. I don't agree with violence or killings. Someone mention before on this topic that the strong take it by force. That seems to be okay when whites do it in other people's land, by some of you guys statement. Why is it so wrong for blacks to take it by force in their own country?

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The white farmers are every bit a part of the country as the blacks. And the history of the Bantu is every bit a story of conquest as that of the history of white Europeans--it is just that the more advanced European culture was better at it.

Further, taking the land from the white farmers will have predictable outcomes, and these will be very bad for the blacks of Zimbabwe.

We have already seen the mass murder of balcks in Zimbabwe. It is just that it happened at a time when it was inconvienient to report--we couldn't draw attention to it, or maybe South Africa wouldn't go through with extending the vote to blacks.

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You are correct that the US news have decided to villify the serbs over all the other savages involved in the conflict, but the atrocities were widespread and real.  The muslims were only victims when they were in the minority, and the croats were much worse than the serbs.

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Much of the news and details of the Bosnian conflicts never made it to the U.S. . . .

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Apart from the very rare isolated instances of US raping women (the only one I've heard of), there have been virtually no instances at all by NATO or UN troops.  

My overall conclusion is that the most socially evolved, civilized race are the Asians. Followed by the whites, then the Middle Eastern peoples, way down the list are African blacks.