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I don't know if/when the Navy publishes the bridge and navigation logs of an active duty warship in today's environment. But I bet it would be interesting reading. Just imagine the comments on the margins! "OMG... We *****ing did it! They never detected us. Complete *****ing surprise". Who knows, we might get a picture of the cruiser and the captured smuggler boat in the same shot for an OWNED pic. |
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1.) Embark a U.S. Coast Guard Law Enforcement Detachment 2.) Fly a USCG flag
I was on USS Rodney M. Davis (FFG 60) during OPEERATION CAPER FOCUS 2000 & 2001. M/V Tolteca had 4 metric tons, M/V Svesda Maru was good for 12 metric tons--until recently, the largest cocaine bust in U.S. Maritime history. www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel071001.shtml |
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Gotta keep the sheeple scared of them "terrorists," you know. |
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By legalizing illegal drugs, you won't increase the life expectancy of a ghetto male up to the level of a white woman. The effect will be to LOWER the life expectancy of a white woman to a ghetto male. The War on Drugs works every day. Every ton seized is a ton that isn't on our streets. Every hour spent intercepting criminals is an hour where taxpayers get double their money's worth. You can be proactive by hitting them outside US borders, or you can be reactive and deploy $ocial workers AFTER the damage is done. You should be ashamed of yourself when you have to use multiple murdering drug boss to support your cause. Maybe you should re-align your moral compass. |
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+1 Go Squids Go... If you want to know what the difference between a 'Drug Dealer' and a 'Narco-Terrorist' is (p.s. the term pre-dates 9-11), look up FARC. In addition to producing, selling & smuggling drugs to fund their 'cause' (emplacement of a Marxist/Communist government in Colombia), these folks have kidnapped & murdered American citizens for ransom (next to drug sales, kidnapping is a principle means of funding for them) & murdered those who's families could not pay, and committed numerous bombings & other terror attacks against the government of Columbia... Google on one of FARC's victims - that guy was from my church back in the states In essence, a 'narco-terroist' organization is a terroist organization that principaly funds it's operations thru the production & sale of narcotics/drugs... |
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All of you guys who think that Cocaine & drugs could be harmlessly legalized must be smoking some of it... 1) There is too much of an organized crime infastructure in the production & distribution of drugs. Anything that threatens their profits is gonna be hit by mob violence on an abasurd scale... These guys would make sure they continue to be the sole source by any means neccicary. 2) Being the sole source, said criminals would continue to smuggle, evade taxes, etc - You would end up with a 2-tier market: the 'legit' outlets & the 'street' outlets we allready have - one taxed & regulated (but expensive & unable to operate in certain areas due to (1)), and the other as the current status-quo exists... Oh yeah, and then you'd have the addicts & the resultant drain on society for prison, medical care, 're-hab', and whatever else... Cocaine needs to stay illegal (along with Pot, Heroin, and the rest of the pile) - if you think otherwise, you must be on crack |
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Their market would dry up, buddy. Who's going to buy imported pot if millions of people have little gardens of it here? No market, no worky. |
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lol you can't be serious |
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We seem to have a lot of soft-belly Americans who really don't understand the true cost and consequences of their drug abuse around the globe. They're OK with bankrolling evildoers who mean to do us harm. If you think about it, cocaine might as well be weapon system that backward Turd World people use to cause damage within the USA. They're so selfish in thinking that they have the RIGHT to hurt themselves as if there's no cost or consequence to others inside and outside the USA. Cocaine would be a wonderful drug if cocaine addicts never showed up at the emergency room on someone else's dime, it would be great if you couldn't be born addicted to it, etc... But we don't live in La La Land so we must fight. No wonder liberals are opposed to the War on Terror. They don't want their supply of foreign drugs to be interrupted. They are willing to risk a narcotics - terrorism linkage just to keep their high, and there are non drug-using idiots who want to enable it. |
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I long for the days when they would have hung the crew and scuttled the boat.........
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For those of you wondering how they could get so close, it's pretty easy. Ships don't really make any noise at all if they are barely moving. You can hear crew conversations on oil tankers from a couple hundred feet away. It's downright spooky something that big can be so quiet. Be down in the cabin or even just fishing on the wrong side of the boat and you'll never know they are there. |
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It is and always has been the CIAs' unofficial funding source for Freedom Fighters we back. Think Contras. Although we officially dont condone it we hav a history of looking the other way and not inspecting the cargos of planes we use covertly |
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Military speak for drug runner. |
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I just love how a bullshit "drug war" is prosecuted supposedly to protect us. Simple question why is their more heroiune coming out of Afghanistan after wei invaded, and how is our government somehow helpless to do something about it. HINT! HINT! The druglords helped us toss out the Taliban. Short of invading and totally defoliating 10 countries minimum the drug war will always bne a waste of money. OUR MONEY!!!!
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Interesting theory but you are incorrect. How many beer barons are still running around? How many gangs still traffic alcohol? Drug gangs are profit motivated- if you remove that motivation they will move on to other illegal activities- prostitution, racketeering etc....... Making something illegal creates a profitable market- if you could purchase a days supply of clean, legal cocaine for $5, why would you choose instead to pay more for a lower quality product from some street gang? If you were the gang why would you choose to sell a product that you make no profit on? BTW- as it is, you still have the addicts & resultant drain on society right now, and the crime and poverty that result from those folks paying gangs huge profits. Of course, you also have the billions of dollars wasted every year by the gov't with their war on drugs, incarceration of "offender" etc...... |
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sillly people..
doesn't matter whether pot, heroin, meth, cocaine, lsd, ectasy, pyote, psilocibin, and all kinds of other things that mother told you not to put in your nose is illegal or not, you can get more than you need just about anywhere... there are only two choices.. use it or dont use it.. for those who think making it illegal stops people from using it need to open your eyes... |
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Nope what we have are alot of ignorant sheeple who just go along with the war on drugs just because the government says its a good thing.
If its legal then the consumers would not be bankrolling evildoers, they would be bankrolling legitimate salesmen and farmers. If it was legal American farmers could grow it and we could keep some of the money in our own economy instead of sending to places like Colombia or Afghanistan. With our modern Agribusiness we could produce the worlds best drugs and we could actually export it around the world and bring in more money.
I support the war on terror, but I do not support the useless wasteful failure of the war on drugs. How much resources are being wasted federal, state, and local on keeping the war on drugs going. Those resources could be better used to investigage suspected terrorists and to better protect vital infrastructure. But no, some people would rather waste that money on keeping adults from using drugs. |
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Not ashamed at all. Prohibition laws created Al Capone. Well not really created him. More like let him acheive the power he did. Without the money of bootleg liquor Al would of been in prison a lot quicker then he ended up. How many bootleggers are there now? How many politicians do they own? Liqour is legalised. The illegal wholesale market for cocaine, puts the current price at about 1.50 a gram. That sells for 100 on the street. Dilute it and you get even more. Legalise it and your crack head is not going to be pulling burglarys and robbing people. More like pan handling for change. I would rather deal with pan handlers than deal with my house being robbed when I am not home. I figure with legalisation the price of coke will come down, it will be regulated (not 21 no coke for you). And more easily treated. Imagine the money we could save on law enforcement alone. Weed? Absolutley waste of time even trying to enforce the law. Hey do you want this to be a prison society? Thats where we are headed. They have a program in switzerland. They Just give the heroin to the addicts. Guess what? They are productive and they are not committing new crimes. Drug abuse is a medical issue not a law enforcement issue. No matter how much interdiction is accomplished the price of cocaine and heroin has gone down and the purity up. What should that tell you? Its not working. end of story |
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or why not just legalize it and let altria grow the plants so that the profits can go to shareholders instead of terrorists... |
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FWIW I dont have a problem with the Navy or Coast Guard interdicting smugglers in US waters.
Smugglers could be real criminals since you do not know what they are carrying, could be bombs, or terrorists. Stopping smugglers in and of itself is a good thing, however reasoning that we should stop smuggling because drugs are bad mkay is just idiotic. We have a war on terrorism to fight, to divert precious resources away from that just for the sake of protecting people from themselves is idiotic, and everyone who supports the war on drugs at the expensive of the war on terrorism is a terrorist sympathizer. |
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Clearly, you don't even know how to spell the name of the place.
You are supremely clueless. The depressing thing is that most of America has been brainwashed to spout the same crap you do. I've been a soldier in the War on Drugs for the last 12 years, directly and as a trainer/advisor. I just left Colombia after spending 4 years as a military advisor there. I think I'm qualified to give an opinion on this particular subject...and here it is: The War on Drugs is an unmitigated disaster. It is unwinnable, no matter how much of our money and our rights we throw at it. The fact is that Prohibition of anything has never and will never work. There will always be those who want what others don't want them to have, and criminals who are more than happy to feed those desires for an exhorbiant price. The amount of drugs making it past our eradication programs, interception forces and domestic police and onto the streets has never been higher. The number of addicts is record high. Our laws criminalizing drug use and trafficking have resulted in our having to build new prisons to house the millions undeterred by them. And the traffickers are richer than ever. No matter how you spin it, we're losing this one. People scream about the loss of rights in the name of anti-terrorism, but what about the enormous erosion of our rights we've suffered just to keep crack out of Jimmy's pipe? Police run around in armored military vehicles with belt-fed machine guns, perform searches that would have caused outrage thirty years ago, and can sieze your property without a warrant if the officer thinks you're "suspicious". Just to keep crack out of Jimmy's pipe. The first time we, the US, tried Prohibition it resulted in the rise of organized crime, rampant violence, the expansion of police powers and the loss of individual rights without ever stopping the trafficking. Sound familiar? It should. I personally don't think we, as a nation, can sustain this conflict. It costs around $30 billion dollars annually to fight this war, aside from the priceless loss of our freedoms and the cost of our bloated prison system. Just to keep crack out of Jimmy's pipe. How do we extricate ourselves from this mess? I see two ways. First is complete legalization. Legalize all drugs. Regulate their manufacture and distribution. And tax the shit out of them, a la tobacco and alcohol, thus turning them into money makers instead of a $30 billion drain. Oh, I can hear all those bowels spontaneously evacuating. Legalize DRUGS?!?!?! It would be...be...be...CHAOS!!!!! Hardly. The War on Drugs is such a dismal failure that you can already go to nearly ANY public school (elementary to high school) and buy drugs. When they are already everywhere, how can legalization increase availability? It won't. It will only make the availability more open and easier to regulate. "Oh, but the number of users would SKYROCKET!!!" The number of users may increase, but I don't think it would increase much. Those who want drugs now can already get them very easily with little risk, and if personal experience is a guide the number of potential users holding back solely out of a fear of getting entangled in legal trouble is not significant. And even if there were a large increase in users, think of the $$$ that would be available for treatment programs: $30 billion unspent tax dollars + the tax revenue from legal sales! Crime would plummet, as the conflicts between gangs would lose impetus. How many gang wars are fought over contraban cigarettes? Individual users would not need to commit high-value crimes to feed their habits. How many bums carjack and kill for the price of a bottle of Thunderbird? The terrorist and criminal organizations that are presently bankrolled by America's drug users would have to find other sources of funding. Legalize drugs, and it will be more profitable to grow tomatos than poppies. The second solution I see is simply to go in and buy everything the drug-growing regions can produce. The current estimate of the value of the entire drug production in Colombia is $3 billion. We currently spend around $30 billion to fight it. Why not just buy it? Prices could go 10 times higher than they presently are and we would still break even. No way the cartels and terrorists could compete with that. There would still be some product making its way to the US, but it would be more akin to the market in illicit Chinese antiquities; there's stuff to buy, but only the VERY rich can afford to buy it. Violence and crime would spike briefly as gangs fought more viciously for smaller territory, and users were goaded to crimes with higher payoffs to buy pricier and pricier drugs, but as the supply dwindled there would eventually be nothing to fight over or buy with criminal dollars. Of course, this option would do nothing to help the situations in drug producing countries, but it would help the situation in ours, so fuck 'em. But I fear we are stuck with the War on Drugs for at least the rest of our lives. Do you know where most of the $30 billion goes? To the front line eradication? Nope. To rehab programs and education? Nope. It buys police agencies, from the local to federal levels, those snazzy black uniforms, automatic weapons, body armor and military personnel carriers. Those most interested in continuing the War on Drugs are those charged to end it. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how long it will take them to win it....and meanwhile our tax dollars and rights go swirling down the endless drain... Just to keep crack out of Jimmy's pipe. |
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GREAT POST. i'm going to save that one for posterity. |
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I'm guessing it is a terroirst with narcolepsy, hence the ability of the US navy to sneak up on them. |
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so "narco-terrorist" is the new term for drug runner? i dont see why they didnt just sink the boat and let those fuckers swim it home
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By all means, step up to the plate. But I suggest you bring more thn the status quo with you. It ain't working. |
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I know now how to solve the immagration problem. For every illegal who has been working in the US for 5 years or longer we will offer citizenship in exchange for their country of origin taking one person who thinks like OFFascist. Its a fair trade to me. |
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Thank you for making my point. Those huge beer companies are 100% legal. Once this stupid War on Drugs is stopped and if some of these drugs are legalized, the same thing will happen. |
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If only the smokers and the drinkers died from their habits, there wouldn't be a such a stigma attached to the behaviour. But you know it affects others who don't even have anything to do with it. But there are fools out there who want to add cocaine into the mix? Are you guys nuts? There are reasons why they don't let patrons snort coke at the gun range even if it's legalized. It's a danger to the customers and a liability to the business. Think about it. Are you going to want to be the sheriff to enforce "underage snorting". Are you going to get mad at the non-English speaking guy behind the counter who sold a pack of weed to a minor? We already have too many problems associated with legal drugs, we don't need any more. |
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It's like arguing that if we just made the illegal aliens into legal residents then we'd have a much smaller illegal alien problem. You just didn't get it. |
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No, let's just add the society-destroying problems of illegal drugs to them. |
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I dont excuse anything. IMO most drug dealers and drug lords are not criminals because they sell drugs (a capitalist endeavor selling a product for which there is a market), they are criminals because they violate the rights of people. If you think its wrong to practise capitalism then you are probably living in the wrong country. Murder, rape, and theft on the other hand are real crimes. Legalize drugs and murders, rapists, and thieves will no longer profit from the trade.
Legalize drugs and you take that funding source away from the criminals. I'll repeat your words for you, "What's wrong? You can't connect the dots?" |
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The point is this: Those who make and distribute products legally have fewer costs involved than those who make and distribute them illegally. Between the little guy who grows enough weed for himself and a few friends and the big conglomerates who have hundreds of acres of legal weed entering the pipeline, the market is already covered. Besides, why buy illegally when you can simply grow your own or buy off the shelf? Thanks for playing. |
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Your profile claims you to be from Virigina? But from your post it would appear that you believe the Civil War was fought over slavery, and that the war was fought on moral grounds. This Tejano thinks you show your ignorance of history, and that probably explains why you believe what you believe. The war on drugs is an immoral war, it is a war that is fought against the citizens of this country. I do not believe the Vietnam war was wrong (merely it was fought ineffectively), however if I did it would be easy to say that the War on Drugs is a larger failure and costs us far more in ruined lives and lost resources. |
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so? how is that like any other industry? almost every industry is regulated to some extent.
no, the idea is that everything would be legalized, so drug dealers would go out of business, just like the rumrunners after the first prohibition ended.
smokers and heavy drinkers should (and in some cases do) pay higher health insurance premiums so that everyone else isn't punished, because they are statistically more likely to need more expensive health care. the same would apply to legal cocaine users, etc.
alcohol would be unsafe to drink while at the gun range also. does that mean it should be illegal?
underage snorting (as well as all snorting) is currently illegal, so i don't see how this would be much different that what we have today.
if cannabis were legal and sold OTC, minors having access to it would actually be LESS of an issue, because some attempt would be made to card them. do you think that the average weed dealer cards his customers to make sure none of them are minors? nope. for most high-schoolers, it's easier for them to buy weed than to buy alcohol.
all drugs should be legal. the government has no right to tell individuals what they can and cannot put into their own bodies. |
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Exactly the kind of words I would expect from a terrorist sympathizer. So have you made your pilgramage to Mecca yet hajji? |
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We understand that you are just covering your butt. That's why you are inviting me into your field. You're defending your failure by expecting others to fail. The only way you can win your point is to wish that others to fail in the face of danger. How depressing it must be to be you. Think about it. |
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Some interesting points of view here. Valid arugements on all sides too, but, the problem ain't gonna go away.
I got nothing against pot and I don't know anything about coke. I may have a drink every now and again but my family is more important than "gettin high" or whatever... But I think the Crank, Meth, Ice, etc. situation in this country is way out of hand. If you wanna sit at the house smoke a joint and watch Sponge Bob then have at it, just keep your ass at the house, off the road, and away from children. But it sickens me to no end to see cranked up meth heads at the wal-mart at 1or 2 in the morning with small children that look like they haven't eaten or been bathed in days. I'm glad I got off second shift so I don't get to wal-hole at those hours any more but I know it still goes on. There's a special place in hell for people who subject children to that type of behavior. |
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