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Posted: 4/6/2006 10:39:02 AM EDT


so here is the question:

if all other resources have run out, can zombies stay alive by eating other zombies...?

discuss.


Link Posted: 4/6/2006 10:40:23 AM EDT
Sexually or foodaly?
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 10:41:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/6/2006 10:42:28 AM EDT by Fat_McNasty]
They do not eat to stay alive.. Actually there digestive systems will not process food, they just keep eating till they burst. The eating is a low level ingrained action that they pursue. Nothing more..
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 10:41:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
Sexually or foodaly?



i was thinking foodaly...

that may be the coolest made-up word ever.


Link Posted: 4/6/2006 10:42:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
They do not eat to stay alive.. Actually they will not process food, they just jeep eating till they burst. The eating is a low level ingrained action that they pursue. Nothing more..



so they are snackers then?


Link Posted: 4/6/2006 10:42:22 AM EDT
No. Zombies do not eat other zombies. From the original Dawn of the Dead:

'These creatures are not canibals. Canibalism suggests an intraspecies activity. These creatures cannot be considered human and they do not feed on each other.'
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 10:43:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/6/2006 10:44:57 AM EDT by Thuban]
Zombies don’t need to eat to survive.

The “mind” controlling the zombie is really a parasitic virus that can only be spread through bites from a deceased individual. The zombie’s ultimate goal then is to convert every human into a zombie. Naturally this would eventually result in the extinction of the zombie parasites but then nobody ever claimed zombie parasites were good at planning ahead.

The parasite activates the remains of its host's feeding instinct when it spots an uninfected human. This instinct isn’t activated by the presence of other zombies.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 10:52:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
No. Zombies do not eat other zombies. From the original Dawn of the Dead:

'These creatures are not canibals. Canibalism suggests an intraspecies activity. These creatures cannot be considered human and they do not feed on each other.'



Humans wouldn’t be considered cannibals either, however in situations like “Alive” people have been known to eat one another. So the question remains, would a zombie eat another zombie should all of the people become zombified? What happens when zombies run out of food? Do they just die out naturally? Or do they not need food at all? And in the case where they don’t need any food, how to they get the energy required to go about their zombie lifestyle? These are all important questions, questions that NEED answers.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 10:54:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Thuban:
Zombies don’t need to eat to survive.

The “mind” controlling the zombie is really a parasitic virus that can only be spread through bites from a deceased individual. The zombie’s ultimate goal then is to convert every human into a zombie. Naturally this would eventually result in the extinction of the zombie parasites but then nobody ever claimed zombie parasites were good at planning ahead.

The parasite activates the remains of its host's feeding instinct when it spots an uninfected human. This instinct isn’t activated by the presence of other zombies.



So are you saying that zombie only has a life span of a couple weeks?
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 10:59:26 AM EDT
a) Zombies do not need to eat to stay "alive".
b) Zombies crave warm still living human flesh.

Therefore a zombie would have no need or desire to consume another zombie.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 11:18:39 AM EDT
Think of zombies as really big viruses: they both are really neither alive nor dead, and both have only one purpose: to spread/procreate. Viruses don't need to infect people to live, they infect people to make more viruses. Zombies don't need to bite/eat people to live, they bite/eat people to make more zombies. If you recall from one of the Romero documentaries (original DOTD if IIRC), one of the scientists stated that an individual zombie will typically eat only a relativly small portion of any one human. This suggests that they are ingrained with the purpose of only biting roughly enough to ensure infection, while leaving enough of a person left to keep the victim a functioning zombie. The biting/infection is the true goal, the eating part may well just be a hold-over form their past human consciousness. Of course, zombies are also stupid, so if there is a bunch of them vs. one human, they will all try to take a bite to infect him/her, which usually results in the entire human being devoured (even though the intent was only to bite them enough to result in infection).
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 11:28:42 AM EDT



ahhh. so the undead are like really fat people? they don't need to eat, but they can't stop...
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 11:37:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bullyforyou:


ahhh. so the undead are like really fat people? they don't need to eat, but they can't stop...



And that leads to the question, is Rosie O’Donnell undead? She’s dumb, fat, and ugly. Hrmm…
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 11:38:36 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 11:42:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Orwell84:

Originally Posted By Thuban:
Zombies don’t need to eat to survive.

The “mind” controlling the zombie is really a parasitic virus that can only be spread through bites from a deceased individual. The zombie’s ultimate goal then is to convert every human into a zombie. Naturally this would eventually result in the extinction of the zombie parasites but then nobody ever claimed zombie parasites were good at planning ahead.

The parasite activates the remains of its host's feeding instinct when it spots an uninfected human. This instinct isn’t activated by the presence of other zombies.



So are you saying that zombie only has a life span of a couple weeks?



Nope, a zombie can last for several years, perhaps centuries in the right environment.

The virus that turns people into zombies is very toxic to all known forms of life. It kills bacteria so no decay is possible. Animals (even insects) instinctively avoid trying to eat them too. Zombies do wear out and fall apart eventually since they’re completely incapable of healing even minor injuries.

Since a zombie doesn’t digest food or breathe there is a big question about just how a zombie powers itself. Some recent research indicates that the zombies virus may be able to catalyze hydrogen atoms into hydrinos and use that energy for movement.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 11:44:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 50cal:
Your "friend" hasn't watched all the training films?



Where does one find these "training" films?
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 11:45:00 AM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 11:52:46 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 11:55:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 50cal:

Originally Posted By newar15guy:

Originally Posted By 50cal:
Your "friend" hasn't watched all the training films?



Where does one find these "training" films?



At Blockbuster and the like. They are cleverly disguised as horror movies.




that *is* clever.

you guys are full of zombie info.



Link Posted: 4/6/2006 11:56:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/6/2006 11:58:50 AM EDT by FNBrowning]
"I was here to talk about raising the dead. Not resurrection. I'm not that good. I mean zombies. The shambling dead. Rotting corpses. Night of the living dead. That kind of zombie . . . . It's a job, that's all, like selling".
(Anita Blake, Vampire Executioner)
("Guilty Pleasures", page 1, paragraph 1)


Commentary
* Zombies are the undead. They are people who have been raised from the dead by an animator or voodoo priest. They have no conscious thoughts of their own, and they are not considered beings with rights. They cannot be sustained for very long, unless drastic measures are used.

(1) Feeding a zombie flesh, or raw meat will allow it to retain it's appearance for a longer period of time.

(2) Capturing the soul at death and putting it back into a reanimated body will keep the body from rotting.

* In order to be raised form the dead, a series of steps are required by the animator:


(1) The animator needs a death first. For newly dead, an animal is sufficient. The older the corpse, the bigger the animal required. After a few centuries, the only death "big enough" is a human sacrifice. This person is known as the "white goat" or "hornless goat".
Usually, a necromancer can use his/her own blood as a little death. The blood is also used to create a circle around the area where the zombis is to be raised. It will be unable to leave this circle, unless broken by the animator.

(2) The blood is then rubbed over the face (forehead and cheeks), both hands, under the shirt, and over the heart. Then it is rubbed onto the tombstone. Over flesh and stone, an ointment is rubbed in. (Comon ingredients: graveyard mold, rosemary-for memory, cinnamon or clove-for preservation, sage-for wisdom, thyme-to bind it together).

(3) A chant is made to call the zombie, and then when it is called forth, the blood is offered to the zombie in order to bring some kind of human rememberance to it. Using human blood quickens the zombie more readily and longer. A zombie can only be called from their grave by name. In theory, it is possible to call a zombie without naming them (Anita can).

* When it comes time to lay the zombie to rest again, salt is first thrown against the chest
("With salt I bind you to your grave.")
Then the bloody knife used in the sacrifice is passed over their lips.
("With blood and steel I bind you to your grave. {Insert name}, be at peace and walk no more.")
The zombie is then swallowed up by the earth once more.

* There has been talk about a bill to protect zombies from being used for manual labor (slavery). A committee is being formed of animators and experts to "look into the problem" and determine if legislation is required.

* If an animator is raised from the dead as a zombie, it can possibly bring ghouls back with it. Also an animator zombie comes out of the grave craving flesh. It requires fresh meat until it can remember what it once was. Possibly this can be bypassed if a gris-gris is used to keep the zombie alive. However, it cannot be killed by fire immediately by fire as other zombies can be.

Link Posted: 4/6/2006 11:58:31 AM EDT
How the F*Ck are we supposed to know?

I don't think anyone here has ever put a bullet in a twitcher before, ya bunch of intercommandos...
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 12:00:49 PM EDT
i think so. meat is meat, even if it's zombified
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 12:13:40 PM EDT
More notes:

If a corpse is going to rise as a vampire, it cannot be raised as a zombie. An animator must wait 3 days after death before attempting to raise a zombie. This gives the soul time to leave the body. If an animator can somehow raise a zombie with the soul intact, the zombie will not rot and will retain its intelligence. Only one person has ever figured out how to do this, but Anita killed her.

Speaking of rotting, zombies may come from the grave looking very alive-looking but it doesn't last. They always rot. Personality and intelligence goes first, then the body. Thankfully, always in that order.

Zombies are generally harmless and obey the orders of the animator that raised it. However, there are rare cases where zombies go a little crazy and start attacking people. They seem to crave flesh. If they don't get it, they'll start to decay. Flesh-eating zombies last a lot longer than normal. Zombies are solitary and don't run in packs unless they're ordered to.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 12:38:36 PM EDT
The zombie virus posesses photosynthetic capabilities for energy generation.

During daylight hours the primary zombie threat is their increased speed. hock.gif

At night, zombies become far more sedate as their energy source is removed. They then gather together in larger concentrated masses, theoreticly to retain heat energy.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 1:00:57 PM EDT
FNBrowning you have confused the two types of zombies. You are discussing the voodoo/witchcraft reaminated zombie. We are discussing the viral/space radiation reaminatated zombie. Compared to the zombies this thread is referring to the creature that you discuss to is a feeble joke. It may be able to kill 5 or maybe 10 people but then what? Those killed by the viral/space radiation zombie would reanimate to kill 5 to 10 people each they would in turn kill 5 to 10 and so on.
Link Posted: 4/7/2006 8:02:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gks452:
FNBrowning you have confused the two types of zombies. You are discussing the voodoo/witchcraft reaminated zombie. We are discussing the viral/space radiation reaminatated zombie.



Oh, that is just Hollywood fantasy!

Zombies Are NOT animated by a bacteria, radiation or rogue virus. Becoming a zombie has nothing to do with being bitten by anyone/thing. The living cannot be "turned into a zombie" as in Hollywood fantasies.

Zombies Are , and only are people who have been raised from the dead by an animator or voodoo priest.

I’ve learned everything I need to know from my friend, Anita Blake, Vampire Hunter. Anita lives in St Louis, and not only are things like vampires, werewolves and ghosts real, but everyone knows that they're real. And vampirism has been legal in the United States since 1992 when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that vampires are legal citizens. Living in a world where the supernatural doesn't hide itself, Anita herself is neck-deep among Things That Go Bump in the Night!

Since she has a natural affinity for the dead (in books, she referred to as a necromancer), her day job (so to speak) is as a zombie animator, working for Animators, Inc. of St. Louis. She has a Bachelor of Science in preternatural biology, with a minor in creatures of legend.
She is on retainer as consultant with the Regional Preternatural Investigation Team of the Saint Louis Police (otherwise known as "The Spook Squad").

Anita is a licensed vampire executioner for the state of Missouri. Ever since the United States Supreme Court granted vampires civil rights, a warrant is required to kill a vampire, and the only person who can carry out such a warrant is someone who is licensed to do so. In the United States, Anita is the human with the most legal vampire kills (as well as a large number of illegal kills as well), and is known among vampires as "The Executioner".

My friend Anita has taught me a lot of things, for instance, vampires are not just people with fangs. And from the information about her job as an animator, I’ve tried to tell you what I’ve picked up from her about zombies. It’s the real dope, and you guys should get with the program and stop paying attention to those lousy Hollywood movies and RPGs written by people that know nothing about the supernatural!


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Link Posted: 4/7/2006 8:09:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FNBrowning:
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You are sooooooo gonna be zombie chow.
Link Posted: 4/7/2006 8:18:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/7/2006 8:20:08 AM EDT by rob78]
I voted no.

viral/irradiated/bacterial zombies are the only zombies I'm familiar with.


i think Blake is only trying to justify her "place"/paycheck.


everyone knows that voodoo zombies have been debunked. nothing more than toxins from the puffer fish mixed with other organics which slow the circulatory system to a sub-coma like state. Certainly far from "dead" as the heart beats, although faintly, and no flesh craving results.

Watch "The Serpent and the Rainbow" and the History channel for the facts behind these faux zombies.

Watch Romero for the facts about real zombies and take plenty of notes. Johnny Cash's "When the Man comes Around" is good listening too.



Link Posted: 4/7/2006 8:37:23 AM EDT
All this they need warm flesh and they aren't cannibals is way off...they eat brains...zombies don't have brains or atleast they're rotted away...that's why the eat them...what's that old zombie movie where they walk around witht the hands up saying "brains" all slow and deep and zombie like? That says it all...I think the authority on this would be "The Simpsons" their zombie episode (Flanders was a zombie?) says they want brains....case solved.

Link Posted: 4/8/2006 7:50:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rob78:
I voted no.

viral/irradiated/bacterial zombies are the only zombies I'm familiar with.


i think Blake is only trying to justify her "place"/paycheck.


everyone knows that voodoo zombies have been debunked. nothing more than toxins from the puffer fish mixed with other organics which slow the circulatory system to a sub-coma like state. Certainly far from "dead" as the heart beats, although faintly, and no flesh craving results.

Watch "The Serpent and the Rainbow" and the History channel for the facts behind these faux zombies.

Watch Romero for the facts about real zombies and take plenty of notes. Johnny Cash's "When the Man comes Around" is good listening too.


True zombies, werewolves and vampires go back many thousands of years, to the great Age of Magic when Dragons darkened the skies and mortal man feared for his very existance.

The Catholic Church is blamed for the creation of the first Master Vampire, but in reality, the first vampire has been traced back to the age of homo habilis.

Ever since the Age of Magic ended with the fall of Atlantis, there was not enough magic left in the Earth to sustain the greater creatures like the dragon, but nontheless, zombies, like their breathern the vampire & werewolf, have been able to exist where enough magic is pooled or summoned to sustain them.

Unlike the Hollywood fantasy zombie, the real zombie, risen by command and fortified by magic, cannot be killed by a simple head shot. They continue to do their master's bidding until hacked into pieces, and even then, disparate parts will continue to crawl toward their goal.

The true zombie must be burned with fire, or the Vodun priest/Necromancer/Animator is killed.


Link Posted: 4/8/2006 9:14:38 AM EDT
No, zombies are sort of like humans, they don't attack their fellow ghouls unless attacked.
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